Covid-19

FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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Shouldn’t a standard of 28 CT be applied to the general testing regime? And if not, then why? This reeks of the CDC gaming the data in favor of vaccinated individuals. C’mon mannn. Where is the honesty?



“Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing
• Specimen selection
o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28.
o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by
another testing modality may be sent.”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/Information-for-laboratories-COVID-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation.pdf
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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Tonight's Bill Maher show cancelled.

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Fully vaccinated, still positive^^^^^^^^^^^


I also heard on the Howard Stern show one day last week (not exactly a go to source of news) that 74 fully vac'd people have died from covid-19.
How true that is and other info like ages, co-morbidity wasn't mentioned.

Giant Eagle says you still have to wear a mask. I got no problem with that.

Common sense still takes you a long way.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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FresnoFarmer said:
Shouldn’t a standard of 28 CT be applied to the general testing regime? And if not, then why? This reeks of the CDC gaming the data in favor of vaccinated individuals. C’mon mannn. Where is the honesty?



“Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing
• Specimen selection
o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28.
o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by
another testing modality may be sent.”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/Information-for-laboratories-COVID-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation.pdf
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If I understand, and I’m not sure I do, how does the adoption of a given Ct value suggest bias by the CDC?
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Tonight's Bill Maher show cancelled.

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Fully vaccinated, still positive^^^^^^^^^^^


I also heard on the Howard Stern show one day last week (not exactly a go to source of news) that 74 fully vac'd people have died from covid-19.
How true that is and other info like ages, co-morbidity wasn't mentioned.

Giant Eagle says you still have to wear a mask. I got no problem with that.

Common sense still takes you a long way.
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COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
If I understand, and I’m not sure I do, how does the adoption of a given Ct value suggest bias by the CDC?
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They are still using ct value 40 and under for normal cases of covid-19.


“What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-[competent] are minuscule.”

“It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians,” he continued, when “somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”

So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.”

 
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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FresnoFarmer said:
They are still using ct value 40 and under for normal cases of covid-19.


“What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-[competent] are minuscule.”

“It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians,” he continued, when “somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”

So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.”
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I am not seeing the connection between picking a cycle number and that showing bias by the CDC.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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FresnoFarmer said:
PCR tests have proven to cause false positives before. Creating a pseudo-epidemic. They didn’t realize until they used definitive testing. Going based off of PCR test they thought they had an epidemic on their hands.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
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What I think is that with over half a million deaths ascribed to the virus, the reality of the pandemic is beyond uncertainty. The deaths figure is not tied in any way to over- or undercount by testing.

~edit~
PCR tech has advanced a lot from 2007 to now.
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
I am not seeing the connection between picking a cycle number and that showing bias by the CDC.
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“Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.”

-World Health Organization December 14, 2020
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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Is this how they are reporting normal cases? Why do it only for vaccinated and not those who haven’t taken the jab? No bias? Hmmm....

“As previously announced, CDC is transitioning to reporting only patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection that were hospitalized or died to help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. That change in reporting will begin on May 14, 2021. In preparation for that transition, the number of reported breakthrough cases will not be updated on May 7, 2021.”
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Covid kills more police than everything else combined...
2020 Total Line of Duty Deaths: 362
Total Deaths by Month
  • January13
  • February9
  • March20
  • April57
  • May31
  • June30
  • July44
  • August35
  • September28
  • October19
  • November31
  • December45
Total Deaths by State
Total Deaths by Gender
  • Male333
  • Female29
Statistics
  • Average age49
  • Average tour of duty18 years, 4 months
Total K9 Line of Duty Deaths: 22
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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raratt said:
It is only a "breakthrough" case if someone caught it after being vaccinated. They are not studying unvaccinated people.
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Yeah, but if this is to “maximize the quality of data” why not apply it to general testing for covid so we came “maximize the quality of data” there? Just doesn’t make any sense. Why change the cycle threshold value to 28 or under for vaccinated individuals and not in general? They are gaming the system.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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doublejj said:
Covid kills more police than everything else combined...
2020 Total Line of Duty Deaths: 362
Total Deaths by Month
  • January13
  • February9
  • March20
  • April57
  • May31
  • June30
  • July44
  • August35
  • September28
  • October19
  • November31
  • December45
Total Deaths by State
Total Deaths by Gender
  • Male333
  • Female29
Statistics
  • Average age49
  • Average tour of duty18 years, 4 months
Total K9 Line of Duty Deaths: 22
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It is nice to see covid didn't get any of the dogs.
 
raratt

raratt

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Dogs can contract coronaviruses, most commonly the canine respiratory coronavirus. This specific novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is not believed to be a health threat to dogs, but dogs can test positive for the virus.
 
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