Nute burn creeping in, need advice

getogrow

getogrow

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How much light in how much space? they look kinda light burnt but i wanna rule that out because they are praying. They dont pray when there is too much light.
Food is definatly out of balance. I would "fix" the current issue with chemicals , then go back to letting the organics do their thang. You dont need ph down ever. 8.1 is fine.
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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If you want a fully solvable product that has zero salts and is organinc look into organics alive, expensive but what I use to handle any issues, feeds the plant directly instead of the soil
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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maranibbana said:
It’s a little touchy but don’t get discouraged, once you find what works for you it will be one of the easiest ways to grow, imo, so I am a little bias hahaha.

but if you want some really KILLER info check out videos by Jeremy from build a soil, and also look into rootwise soil dynamics. Leaning from those two and using their shit has made living soil a breeze.
it can be dont many ways tho that’s for aure

I’ve ditched molasses, so far the plants get watered 3 days a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
In 15gallon pots (the smallest recommended pot size for living soil, I’d also stay away from smart pots in this grow method) they get 1 gallon each on the watering days, or 4ltr

Mondays are feeding day or plain water (I used organics alive sometimes)
Wednesdays are for microbes
Friday’s are plain water and or aloe powder/coconut water powder
Put yucca in at least one watering a week
Never ph’ed
Never flushed
zero runoff
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Cheers for taking the time man. I'll def give the lads a look!
It'd been running fine the way I was for over a year. The only thing that changed was I haven't given a tea in a while cause I thought I was over doing it. But if your saying 15 gal is the recommended minimum I'm waaaaaay under for living soil. I'm rocking 4 x 20l pots in an 80x80cm. Imma do that slurry test and report back, hopefully it's a case of just using the teas again.
Fair play having the routine locked down, I just check em every other day and do the knuckle test to see if they need a water
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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getogrow said:
How much light in how much space? they look kinda light burnt but i wanna rule that out because they are praying. They dont pray when there is too much light.
Food is definatly out of balance. I would "fix" the current issue with chemicals , then go back to letting the organics do their thang. You dont need ph down ever. 8.1 is fine.
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I've QBs, 4 panels for a total of 480 watts but I run em at 70% so just under 360 watts in an 80x80cm

Really? Is that cause the flowering amendments? Cause In veg they just get the chicken poo and kelp but if I give em plain water over time I get that pale twisted new growth (which I thought was lockout from the high ph in my water)
 
getogrow

getogrow

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90'sStoner said:
I've QBs, 4 panels for a total of 480 watts but I run em at 70% so just under 360 watts in an 80x80cm

Really? Is that cause the flowering amendments? Cause In veg they just get the chicken poo and kelp but if I give em plain water over time I get that pale twisted new growth (which I thought was lockout from the high ph in my water)
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Have you ever used them qb's before? are you switching from hps ?

After doing the math , that is WAY too much light. Usually with that much light you would see the leaves drooping but i dont see that. Put that light 4 ft away from the canopy and your girls will thank you ! You need co2 and crazy amounts of food for that much light. I would start off at 25% ish and work my way up to about 50% at the very most.
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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getogrow said:
Have you ever used them qb's before? are you switching from hps ?

After doing the math , that is WAY too much light. Usually with that much light you would see the leaves drooping but i dont see that. Put that light 4 ft away from the canopy and your girls will thank you ! You need co2 and crazy amounts of food for that much light. I would start off at 25% ish and work my way up to about 50% at the very most.
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Yea this is my 3rd run with em, no problems before this tho. You reckon running em lower or moving em further away is the way to go?
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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maranibbana said:
It’s a little touchy but don’t get discouraged, once you find what works for you it will be one of the easiest ways to grow, imo, so I am a little bias hahaha.

but if you want some really KILLER info check out videos by Jeremy from build a soil, and also look into rootwise soil dynamics. Leaning from those two and using their shit has made living soil a breeze.
it can be dont many ways tho that’s for aure

I’ve ditched molasses, so far the plants get watered 3 days a week, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
In 15gallon pots (the smallest recommended pot size for living soil, I’d also stay away from smart pots in this grow method) they get 1 gallon each on the watering days, or 4ltr

Mondays are feeding day or plain water (I used organics alive sometimes)
Wednesdays are for microbes
Friday’s are plain water and or aloe powder/coconut water powder
Put yucca in at least one watering a week
Never ph’ed
Never flushed
zero runoff
Click to expand...
Hey, I did the slurry test and left it sit for 24 hrs before testing and the results where alkaline. The issue doesn't seem to have spread anymore (yet) and I've got a tea on brewing to boost the microbials. I'm thinking I should leave the leaves on rather than defoliate so that they can take the brunt of any more damage?
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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90'sStoner said:
Hey, I did the slurry test and left it sit for 24 hrs before testing and the results where alkaline. The issue doesn't seem to have spread anymore (yet) and I've got a tea on brewing to boost the microbials. I'm thinking I should leave the leaves on rather than defoliate so that they can take the brunt of any more damage?
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What did it come out to?
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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Cousin_suds said:
what were the chicken poo pellets ? chicken poop is a really hot fertilizer if its not composted .
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Its comes from the shops, its dry and in pellets. I use it in my Reg garden all the time. I'm hoping getting teas back in the mix will help sort it. Hasn't spread anymore but imma monitor it for a while
 
getogrow

getogrow

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90'sStoner said:
Its comes from the shops, its dry and in pellets. I use it in my Reg garden all the time. I'm hoping getting teas back in the mix will help sort it. Hasn't spread anymore but imma monitor it for a while
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Some strains can use a hell of a lot more light then others. (thus using a hell of a lot more food also)

I have no clue how you made it through the other 2 grows without co2 and extra food but you did so no worries.
YES , i absolutely think you need to raise your light way up or lower intensity way down. i think you are running about 60 watts per sq/ft an that is LOUD. 25w is enough and 40w is high.

Your girls are confusing because like i mentioned before , when they have too much light they almost always stop praying an start saggin/droopping.

I cannot say exactly what or what not to give them but i can promise all the yellowing goes away after raising the light way up or lowering the intensity.
 
90'sStoner

90'sStoner

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getogrow said:
Some strains can use a hell of a lot more light then others. (thus using a hell of a lot more food also)

I have no clue how you made it through the other 2 grows without co2 and extra food but you did so no worries.
YES , i absolutely think you need to raise your light way up or lower intensity way down. i think you are running about 60 watts per sq/ft an that is LOUD. 25w is enough and 40w is high.

Your girls are confusing because like i mentioned before , when they have too much light they almost always stop praying an start saggin/droopping.

I cannot say exactly what or what not to give them but i can promise all the yellowing goes away after raising the light way up or lowering the intensity.
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Cheers man, I had a look into max light per sq ft and you're dead right! 50-60% should be plenty for em as they're rated 2.4 umol (but probably slightly lower than that as they're an off brand). I turned em down anyways and have a tea bubbling, just gotta see how they get on now *crosses fingers*

Would the excess light have caused em to pull up more nutes than they can use and that's what caused the burn?
 
getogrow

getogrow

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90'sStoner said:
Cheers man, I had a look into max light per sq ft and you're dead right! 50-60% should be plenty for em as they're rated 2.4 umol (but probably slightly lower than that as they're an off brand). I turned em down anyways and have a tea bubbling, just gotta see how they get on now *crosses fingers*

Would the excess light have caused em to pull up more nutes than they can use and that's what caused the burn?
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No. Thats almost impossible for the plant to take up more then it needs. There is really no such thing as "burn" , its a deficiency caused by too much of another element.

Now in theory , the plant will eat more with the extra light being there. Thats not a bad thing. Overall though , i think they are just beginning to show signs of too much light.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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65% RH is a bit high for flower. Maybe lower that just to try and get them to eat more from the soil and not so much from the air. (this is not a big deal at all , im just grabbing at straws)
 
N

NewGrower2011

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Interesting enough, the NFTG line is introducing a new product that is oriented towards dealing with alkalinity it sounds. Chimera or something like that.
 
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NewGrower2011

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Well of course, it's a business! :D But if it is addressing a "real" challenge in balancing your soil & nutes then kudos to them.

I watched a few of the vids focused on alkalinity and it sounded like there's some merit to it. Your local water supply being the biggest variable so there's definitely some folks who simply won't ever need it - but then there's those who would. IMO it's one of those deals where you have to first be able to analyze your situation to evaluate if it's applicable to you or not. At least the Hanna meter for measuring alkalinity isn't god awfully expensive.
 
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