How to maximise yield

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Vincechase

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Hello all,

Just looking for some input on next steps for my lil girl.

Grow
Seed - feminised strawberry, banana, grape (hybrid but growing like an indica)
Setup - 4 X 4 tent, 600w electric HPS,
Medium - Coco coir
Food - general hydroponics + calc mag at 1/2 of feeding schedule.

Background
She was a slow starter with barely any growth in the first 3 weeks from seed but now I think she's doing okay (see photo).

She's been topped once, and I attempted to FIM some of the other branches a week ago although it doesn't seem to have taken. As such I'm looking for any advice on how to maximise yield.

Any help with the following questions would be appreciated.

1) up-potting - I up-potted her from a 1 gallon (~4l pot) to a 3.5gallon (13.5l) pot 10 days ago and her roots are already sticking out the bottom of her new pot. Should I up-pot or will this be big enough to flower in?

2) how to maximise yield - as mentioned I've topped here once already and attempted to FIM. Given I plan on veging for another 3 weeks what would be the best way to get the maximum buds out of this plant?

A) Should I scrog? If so when do I start the training?

B) Should I do a couple of cuttings and try do some mini grows by going straight into flower?

C) are there any better alternatives to the above?

Again, any help would be appreciated.
 

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quazyqual

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I'm slowly realizing that the best way to get extra swollen buds is Supercroping.

Also if the roots are filling your pot it would not hurt to up pot again. Flowering in 5 gallons is very common. It's what I do.

Another cool method to create more tops and an even canopy is mainlining/manifolding.

I've decided for all my future grows I'm going to do both to maximize yield.

For my first couple years I've been experimenting with different techniques and I'm pretty sure the Manifold/mainline and Supercroping is a winning combination!
 
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Vincechase

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quazyqual said:
I'm slowly realizing that the best way to get extra swollen buds is Supercroping.

Also if the roots are filling your pot it would not hurt to up pot again. Flowering in 5 gallons is very common. It's what I do.

Another cool method to create more tops and an even canopy is mainlining/manifolding.

I've decided for all my future grows I'm going to do both to maximize yield.

For my first couple years I've been experimenting with different techniques and I'm pretty sure the Manifold/mainline and Supercroping is a winning combination!
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Wouldn't it be too late to mainline/ manifold? Based on what I read this should be done a lot earlier in the grow rather than a few weeks out from swapping to flower? Happy to hear your advice on the matter though!

Will definitely look into super scooping and probably up pot next week monday
 
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quazyqual

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Vincechase said:
Wouldn't it be too late to mainline/ manifold? Based on what I read this should be done a lot earlier in the grow rather than a few weeks out from swapping to flower? Happy to hear your advice on the matter though!

Will definitely look into super scooping and probably up pot next week monday
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Yes mainlining starts when you reach 6 to 8 nodes early on.

Supercropping can defo be done in your case though.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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it's an lst technique, you can do it at any time, but the earlier the better. you work a stem back and forth between your fingers and crush the hard material inside without breaking the skin if you can. the branch will sag, but if you did it right, it will pop back up to horizontal, and all the buds on it will stand up away from the now horizontal stem and grow like mini cola buds
 
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it's an lst technique, you can do it at any time, but the earlier the better. you work a stem back and forth between your fingers and crush the hard material inside without breaking the skin if you can. the branch will sag, but if you did it right, it will pop back up to horizontal, and all the buds on it will stand up away from the now horizontal stem and grow like mini cola buds
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Any other advice to offer? This is the plant a couple of days post super cropping a couple of branches.

I plan on vegging for 14 more days. But feel it may not be tall enough to scrog1625101638988288302810872231341.jpg
 

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Sparky413

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You will get the best yield in a 4x4 from scrogging. Is that your only plant in there? If so, me personally would up pot her to a 10 gallon, add a trellis net about a foot over her head, grow/weave her into it, when the net is full, i'd flip her into flower and add another trellis net a foot over the canopy to weave the stretch through. No matter what technique, I'd lollipop her. I would also look into adding some silica to future veg, your stems going to be extra weak from having none. You will definitely want to find some way to support her if you don't use the net, that will increase your yield. I would also consider top dressing with kelp meal and using "recharge" or some other microbes weekly. When I grew in coco, my lades were floppy and lacked micronutrients not found in my synthetics.
 
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myke

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The number one fail with coco is not having it elevated with a tray under to collect run off.Feed twice a day once minimum.Growth will be much better.Second scrog that girl to open her up.These 2 things will definitely increase yield.
 
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Vincechase

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Sparky413 said:
You will get the best yield in a 4x4 from scrogging. Is that your only plant in there? If so, me personally would up pot her to a 10 gallon, add a trellis net about a foot over her head, grow/weave her into it, when the net is full, i'd flip her into flower and add another trellis net a foot over the canopy to weave the stretch through. No matter what technique, I'd lollipop her. I would also look into adding some silica to future veg, your stems going to be extra weak from having none. You will definitely want to find some way to support her if you don't use the net, that will increase your yield. I would also consider top dressing with kelp meal and using "recharge" or some other microbes weekly. When I grew in coco, my lades were floppy and lacked micronutrients not found in my synthetics.
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Why the 2 nets? I set up my first on yesterday and I'm hoping another 2 weeks of veg will fill it out, but as you mentioned I'm a bit worried that the stems won't be thick enough to support the buds once they've grown
 
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myke said:
The number one fail with coco is not having it elevated with a tray under to collect run off.Feed twice a day once minimum.Growth will be much better.Second scrog that girl to open her up.These 2 things will definitely increase yield.
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I have her sitting on a a flipped over run off container with another one underneath. Not an ideal set up but it's working for now
 
Sparky413

Sparky413

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Vincechase said:
Why the 2 nets? I set up my first on yesterday and I'm hoping another 2 weeks of veg will fill it out, but as you mentioned I'm a bit worried that the stems won't be thick enough to support the buds once they've grown
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Because if you up potted her to a 10 gallon, and let her fill out the net, she is going to be huge and have a big stretch. 2 nets would also support her better. How do you have the net set up, is she going to fill the whole thing?
 
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Sparky413

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Vincechase said:
I don't know if she will, she has 14-20 days left in veg, so hopefully she will
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Looking good. I don't know if I would do my plan of weaving her through the net to support her. For me, when I harvest, I just cut the netting. My new opinion is to flip her into flower right now. Try to spread her out a bit more if you can. I recommend a long flush with coco, 2-3 weeks to end her. There's a lot of conflicting information, lots of people think it's bro science. When I grew in coco, I used cheap dyna-gro, if I didn't flush it tasted like ass.
 
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