Police Interactions.

[mooray]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357470954415263744

 

[mooray]

Link to the claim of lies?

Heres one supporting my argument

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2

This JAMA Insights CDC review summarizes accumulating evidence that mask wearing reduces spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection and that universal mandatory mask wearing policies reduce infections and deaths and emphasizes face masks are one component of pandemic control measures, including physical...

jamanetwork.com

Was kidding of course, the argument against particle filtration is ridiculous.

 

[CatHedral]

Was kidding of course, the argument against particle filtration is ridiculous.

You had me there, well done!

 

[CatHedral]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357470954415263744

The yellow offsets the blue tint

 

[mooray]

You had me there, well done!

That's one downside of being flooded with morons, we're not sure when to laugh or cry!

 

[CatHedral]

That's one downside of being flooded with morons, we're not sure when to laugh or cry!

Send them to Cali to offset our looming pork crisis. I’ll eat a patriot loin or some moron ibérico.

 

[MY OWN DANK]

thats fake. the cops are lying. dont be so fucking dumb you giant crybaby

I sure am glad you found the internet...so could run that weak mouth of yours without anything happening to you...that was prolly like...the best thing ever for someone like you...

 

[Obepawn]

Not for that one incident...I just think he was a bad dude all the way around and had bad shit coming his way...I used to commit crimes at times to support my addiction...but I never stuck pregnant lady's up...you gotta draw the line somewhere...kids women n animals are off limits in my book

When you do bad things bad things happen to you

…and yet in spite of all the crimes you committed for your addiction, whether it is was burglaries, robberies or sucking dick, here you are breathing free air. You think you deserve to have the vertebrae in your neck, body weight pressed into the asphalt?

 

[Obepawn]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357470954415263744

Haha

 

[hanimmal]

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/20/police-shootings-are-not-letting-up-congress-must-act/

It has been six years since The Post began tracking fatal shootings by on-duty police and the story has — depressingly — remained unchanged. Police departments nationwide have shot and killed almost the same number of people annually, nearly 1,000 or almost three each day. The troubling numbers point up yet again the problems with how police departments across the country train their officers, and the need for Congress to pass police reforms.

In the past year — despite a pandemic, protests over police shootings and a push for change — 943 people have been shot and killed by police. As The Post’s Mark Berman, Julie Tate and Jennifer Jenkins reported, that brings to more than 6,400 the total number of victims of police shootings since this newspaper launched its database a year after the 2014 shooting of a Black teenager in Ferguson, Mo. A Post investigation then found that the FBI undercounted fatal police shootings by more than half because the reporting by police departments is voluntary and many departments fail to do so.

The Post’s data relies primarily on news accounts, social media postings and police reports, which together paint a disturbing picture. Of officers too often quick to use deadly force instead of de-escalating situations. Of a lack of transparency by departments that have failed to equip law enforcement with body cams and that use laws intended to protect victims to shield from scrutiny officers involved in fatal shootings. That the FBI has failed to follow The Post’s lead in trying to compile more complete data underscores not only the lack of progress in addressing this critical issue but also a lack of interest.

“There’s enormous inertia to the police practices that lead to shooting,” said Richard Berk, a professor of criminology and statistics at the University of Pennsylvania. The results are tragedies such as what happened last year to Hannah Fizer, a 25-year-old Missouri woman pulled over for speeding and running a red light. A sheriff’s deputy shot and killed her, claiming she ignored his commands and threatened to shoot him. No gun was found, but the shooting was ruled justifiable because evidence supported his claim he feared for his safety. Still, as the prosecutor who investigated the case emphasized to Post reporters, that doesn’t mean the shooting was unavoidable. “He could’ve retreated. She wasn’t able to go any place. … He could’ve let things simmer a little bit down,” said Stephen P. Sokoloff.

There are more than 15,000 local police and sheriff departments, each with its own policies, practices and training, and that has made it difficult to bring about the wholesale change that is needed. It is inexplicable that it is still the exception for mental health teams, rather than armed officers, to be deployed to deal with people in crisis. Or that only 20 percent of the officers involved in fatal shootings were equipped with body cameras. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act could help bring about some needed reforms, but it is stalled in the Senate and its future is uncertain. The Post’s latest findings should be a spur to Congress to act.

 

[CatHedral]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/20/police-shootings-are-not-letting-up-congress-must-act/
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body cams, dash cams and rear view cams should be made mandatory for every second a police officer or anybody in security. Gotta take a shit? Tough. Having a badge and a gun meansyou relinquish any privacy while on duty,

The penalties for interfering with the a/v recording or stored data files should be immediate and permanent expulsion from any such job, immediate and permanent loss of any gun privileges, and criminal proceedings.

And a few years in general population. Cops generally dont do well there.

If we can make this Federal law, it should turn this tide and seriously impede the institutional corruption. Scare’m straight.

 

[Fogdog]

body cams, dash cams and rear view cams should be made mandatory for every second a police officer or anybody in security. Gotta take a shit? Tough. Having a badge and a gun meansyou relinquish any privacy while on duty,

The penalties for interfering with the a/v recording or stored data files should be immediate and permanent expulsion from any such job, immediate and permanent loss of any gun privileges, and criminal proceedings.

And a few years in general population. Cops generally dont do well there.

If we can make this Federal law, it should turn this tide and seriously impede the institutional corruption. Scare’m straight.

There are alternatives to creating a whole new layer of oversight. The system is corrupt and most of the time, armed officers are called for help they aren't trained to provide, like de-escalating a situation with somebody who is mentally ill. Break up the police departments and at the same time take work away from people who aren't good at it. Turn the work over to people who are not only trained for it but also want to do the job.

 

[CatHedral]

There are alternatives to creating a whole new layer of oversight. The system is corrupt and most of the time, armed officers are called for help they aren't trained to provide, like de-escalating a situation with somebody who is mentally ill. Break up the police departments and at the same time take work away from people who aren't good at it. Turn the work over to people who are not only trained for it but also want to do the job.

Alternatives suggests “or”. While I am in favor of what you describe, I prefer “and”. Imo the situation calls for relatively draconian oversight for a system that bears a crushing load of corruption and conspiracy.

We do need armed rapid-response police. But we have the sophisticated communication and analysis power to send the help call to the police, or to social services designed to deal with mental health issues like a jumper or unarmed domestic dispute.

One thing that would help enormously would be to un-dismantle the mental health infrastructure. Reagan wiped out mental health residences and facilities first as Governor and then as President. An early act by the party’s “shameless kleptocrat” wing that has since taken over the agenda, culminating in That Man’s reign of inept horror.

So I suggest that this isn’t an alternative to ironclad oversight by a dedicated agency. The latter is still necessary so I suggest “adjunct”.

 

[Fogdog]

Alternatives suggests “or”. While I am in favor of what you describe, I prefer “and”. Imo the situation calls for relatively draconian oversight for a system that bears a crushing load of corruption and conspiracy.

We do need armed rapid-response police. But we have the sophisticated communication and analysis power to send the help call to the police, or to social services designed to deal with mental health issues like a jumper or unarmed domestic dispute.

One thing that would help enormously would be to un-dismantle the mental health infrastructure. Reagan wiped out mental health residences and facilities first as Governor and then as President. An early act by the party’s “shameless kleptocrat” wing that has since taken over the agenda, culminating in That Man’s reign of inept horror.

So I suggest that this isn’t an alternative to ironclad oversight by a dedicated agency. The latter is still necessary so I suggest “adjunct”.

We'll see.

The idea of a draconian and authoritarian second police state is frightening to me. 700,000 police officers being monitored down to when they take a crap. Every action they take reviewed. I find the whole idea to be not only unworkable but a potential threat in itself. Will it also be monitored and have its own oversight system?

 

[CatHedral]

We'll see.

The idea of a draconian and authoritarian second police state is frightening to me. 700,000 police officers being monitored down to when they take a crap. Every action they take reviewed. I find the whole idea to be not only unworkable but a potential threat in itself. Will it also be monitored and have its own oversight system?

That is a problem. Who watches the watchmen?

But police have become so at home in conspiracy to commit injustice that I believe something Needs To Be Done.
The nice thing about audio and video is that, so long as there is a good custody chain with backups at several levels, it will be very difficult to massage the data.

And soon the entire oversight process can be mchanized, removing humans from the surveillance function and leaving them in the judge's seat. I do think it is workable, and with the massive injustices being perpetrated by the current players I still think it is better.

Police cannot be replaced by machines without mangling Peter Weller.

 

[Fogdog]

That is a problem. Who watches the watchmen?

But police have become so at home in conspiracy to commit injustice that I believe something Needs To Be Done.
The nice thing about audio and video is that, so long as there is a good custody chain with backups at several levels, it will be very difficult to massage the data.

And soon the entire oversight process can be mchanized, removing humans from the surveillance function and leaving them in the judge's seat. I do think it is workable, and with the massive injustices being perpetrated by the current players I still think it is better.

Police cannot be replaced by machines without mangling Peter Weller.

I don't have the certainty you have. Authoritarians think their way is direct and simple but they always fail. I'm more in the camp of not even trying to reform or monitor the corrupt and failed police state. A few gunslingers is all we need. The rest should go on food stamps. Break up police and fire at least 70% of them. Oversight of the smaller force will be much easier and doesn't require the AI police state you talk about.

 

[CatHedral]

I don't have the certainty you have. Authoritarians think their way is direct and simple but they always fail. I'm more in the camp of not even trying to reform or monitor the corrupt and failed police state. A few gunslingers is all we need. The rest should go on food stamps. Break up police and fire at least 70% of them. Oversight of the smaller force will be much easier and doesn't require the AI police state you talk about.

With respect, I do not see how my scheme constitute a police state. Those are inherently authoritarian. What I propose does not require any amendment to the Constitution. So by definition not a police state. I am after airtight accountability, technologically backed, for anyone we put in an enforcement role, armed or not, to be unable to conspire or act in secrecy.
It is a truism in the intelligence community that capability = threat.
In the enforcement community, I believe that privacy = secrecy. They can still conspire off duty, but while they are on duty they will be deterred from business as usual currently. There is no point in reducing to a few “gunslingers” (interesting choice of slur) if those don’t have total oversight. I propose an AI layer to break the opportunity for a corrupt organization many layers deep, which would indeed tend towards a totalitarian outcome. AI is coming sure as taxes. We better prepare now to find a way to coexist with it and build shared governance. I consider it axiomatic that if the Republic is to survive, we will need to recognize AI as persons.

Ive gone a bit afield, but I sense (perhaps my bias) that you do t want AI in government. For all I know, that may already be behind us. Like having nuclear weapons, it changes everything.

 

[RobCat]

I don't have the certainty you have. Authoritarians think their way is direct and simple but they always fail. I'm more in the camp of not even trying to reform or monitor the corrupt and failed police state. A few gunslingers is all we need. The rest should go on food stamps. Break up police and fire at least 70% of them. Oversight of the smaller force will be much easier and doesn't require the AI police state you talk about.

And when YOU and YOUR family are personally inconvenienced by crime and the remaining "gunslingers" can no longer get to you? Yeah theres rotten police that need disposing of but most would never do what Chauvin did. I can think of a lot of cop killing thugs that need to be dealt with too. Like ive said all along the only people that hate cops as a whole are the ones that never needed them to begin with. Sheltered urban white pissants that never had to live in bad areas. Never been robbed. Never had a Saint Floyd enthusiast bust in their house and rob their pregnant wife at gunpoint. But I must say gentleman. Were going on the right track as far as im concerned. Im loving that all the police are leaving Chicago. New York. Seattle. It will be a lab for human idiocy. Theres too many snowflakes in this country that make a bed they never sleep in and its time for a rude awakening. If you need an assault kit im sure amazon will assist you

 

[mooray]

A major problem with the few like chauvin, are the many that are silent. As they say...if there are any bad ones, how can there be any good ones?

Anyway, the back and forth about how to deal with the symptoms of a sick society are mostly pointless, because none of them really address anything. Police have high rates of suicide, alcoholism, domestic abuse, on and on, and all that shit doesn't come from awesome days on the job interacting with great people.