What do you believe is the fundamental problem with [American] government?

[CatHedral]

lol hanimmal was the outcome of me getting extremely sick of having every iteration of the name hannibal ('I love it when a plan comes together' one) come up as taken when I was trying to sign up to play online fantasy football back around 2000. I finally just typed some random shit and it took.

I’ve always read it as “animal” plus distinguishing personal content. Even so, the username has that je ne sais quack.

 

[hanimmal]

I’ve always read it as “animal” plus distinguishing personal content. Even so, the username has that je ne sais quack.

lol thanks. I think at one point I was trying something like Hanimal but that was taken too. Which is why I just started adding letters somewhat randomly.

Its worked out as a user name on everything else really well ever since.

 

[CatHedral]

lol thanks. I think at one point I was trying something like Hanimal but that was taken too. Which is why I just started adding letters somewhat randomly.

It has a lovely sort of syncopation.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Isn’t any voting restriction, other than age, un-democratic?

Sometimes the people get it wrong. It’s a flaw in a democratic system than can have tragic consequences. Is the solution to be more restrictive with voting or to try to resolve the societal issues that caused the people to get it wrong?

i don't think voting restrictions are necessarily a bad thing, if you are using the right criteria...no racial standards, no moral or ethical standards, no religious standards...just awareness of the system you're trying to participate in...that's the only standard...are you aware of what and who you are voting for? not even why? just a general knowledge of the issues and candidates beyond "they say that one is good on facebook"....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

It's seems that your projecting the fact that your friends are of low moral character. Correct me if I'm wrong.

well, i believe he said "Your best friends" not "my best friends"...and why the personal attack? that's a typical sock puppet troll attempt to deflect....

 

[Fogdog]

i don't think voting restrictions are necessarily a bad thing, if you are using the right criteria...no racial standards, no moral or ethical standards, no religious standards...just awareness of the system you're trying to participate in...that's the only standard...are you aware of what and who you are voting for? not even why? just a general knowledge of the issues and candidates beyond "they say that one is good on facebook"....

Your desire to allow only qualified people to vote has more often than not been used by anti-democratic forces to maintain their grip on power.

 

[Bagginski]

Really? You've never heard of the Egyptian people? They have reliable monarch histories going back 5000 years and used enslaved people to build the relics we so admire today. You know, kind of like how America was built by slaves.

5,000 is not 10,000…it’s not even close.

The Egyptian Kinglist goes straight into pre-history, which means we know nothing…we don’t even know what kingship meant in the first king’s time, much less how many slaves he had, if he had any. We don’t know ANYTHING about that 5000-year-ago time *except* a name of a king, maybe. So, let’s not outrun our headlights, shall we? Outside the geophysical and organically-datable world, the further back in ages we go, the less we know about details like how people lived.

As before, I welcome real information …we already have generations of guesswork and assumption, no need to pile on more without reason.

 

[Bagginski]

By six thousand years ago we entered the historic age. Continuous written records.

Continuous written records beginning in 4,000BC? For the world, or for one corner? Which corner has been keeping continuous records for that time? The Assyrians? The Hindus? The Tibetans? China? What did the continuous written records of life in Africa tell us? Life in the Amazon basin? We sure don’t have 3,000 years of continuous written history from Europe, or Australia, or Russia, or North America.

Not seeking to bash anyone, but the gaps in our knowledge of human history are many, and span millennia; like I said, let’s not outrun our headlights.

 

[CatHedral]

Continuous written records beginning in 4,000BC? For the world, or for one corner? Which corner has been keeping continuous records for that time? The Assyrians? The Hindus? The Tibetans? China? What did the continuous written records of life in Africa tell us? Life in the Amazon basin? We sure don’t have 3,000 years of continuous written history from Europe, or Australia, or Russia, or North America.

Not seeking to bash anyone, but the gaps in our knowledge of human history are many, and span millennia; like I said, let’s not outrun our headlights.

I counted continuous anywhere.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Your desire to allow only qualified people to vote has more often than not been used by anti-democratic forces to maintain their grip on power.

so, in order to insure "fairness"....you allow mentally deficient people, lazy people, stupid people, people who are easily led by the nose to stupid conclusions...to make decisions that effect people who actually bother to inform themselves about the decisions they'll be making, who bother to learn about the slate of candidates running for office, who take the effort to look up voting records, to read interviews, to listen to debates....
yeah...that sounds fair...

 

[Bagginski]

I counted continuous anywhere.

Starting 6,000 years ago, WHERE?

…And I have a problem with that definition of ‘continuous’ - if the records suddenly jump to different culture or people elsewhere then the story can’t change - or it becomes sporadic, piecemeal…ie, NOT continuous. Likewise, *any* times gaps would break your continuity.

 

[Fogdog]

so, in order to insure "fairness"....you allow mentally deficient people, lazy people, stupid people, people who are easily led by the nose to stupid conclusions...to make decisions that effect people who actually bother to inform themselves about the decisions they'll be making, who bother to learn about the slate of candidates running for office, who take the effort to look up voting records, to read interviews, to listen to debates....
yeah...that sounds fair...

A system where people in power write the rules that allow people to vote seems to me to be worse than letting everyone who wants to vote.

 

[UncleBuck]

The problem with the American Government is that it is straying away from the ideals and intentions of the founders. The limitations placed by them on the ones who would seek to usurp power from the intended rulers. -The people. Why? The government is fraught with corruption. The corrupt elements are world wide. They are legion. You can call it the New World Order, lucifarianism, Marxism, Communism, woke culture or the new normal, build back better. It's all the same thing. A brain washing of the masses utilizing the hegelian dialectic- problem, reaction, solution. You can spot the victims most affected by the programing by there quick fits of anger towards any one that might differ in opinion and a habit of resorting to emotion rather than logic. These victims also concede that the consensus (on nanny state approved screens) equals truth. Divide and conquer psychological warfare.

gay

 

[UncleBuck]

It's seems that your projecting the fact that your friends are of low moral character. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Didnt you guys try to install trump as a fascist dictator

 

[Lucky Luke]

Oldest continuous culture (approx. 75,000 years ) on the planet didn't do kings, that's all new fancy stuff. They were Social and had/have elders.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Your desire to allow only qualified people to vote has more often than not been used by anti-democratic forces to maintain their grip on power.

That's a good argument for voting to be compulsory IMO.

 

[CunningCanuk]

so, in order to insure "fairness"....you allow mentally deficient people, lazy people, stupid people, people who are easily led by the nose to stupid conclusions...to make decisions that effect people who actually bother to inform themselves about the decisions they'll be making, who bother to learn about the slate of candidates running for office, who take the effort to look up voting records, to read interviews, to listen to debates....
yeah...that sounds fair...

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”

It’s not a perfect system but it beats the hell out of a dictatorship.

 

[CatHedral]

Starting 6,000 years ago, WHERE?

…And I have a problem with that definition of ‘continuous’ - if the records suddenly jump to different culture or people elsewhere then the story can’t change - or it becomes sporadic, piecemeal…ie, NOT continuous. Likewise, *any* times gaps would break your continuity.

Your criterion strikes me as arbitrary and unnecessarily strict. Can you give me a link to this being a thing historians agree on?

I erred with the duration. Currently the earliest true writing is 5400 years old, with Sumer and Egypt sharing the credit. Since then somebody somewhere has been keeping records. Not local but overall continuity.

 

[CatHedral]

Oldest continuous culture (approx. 75,000 years ) on the planet didn't do kings, that's all new fancy stuff. They were Social and had/have elders.

Which culture is that?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

A system where people in power write the rules that allow people to vote seems to me to be worse than letting everyone who wants to vote.

mybe you're right, but it still seems wrong to me to allow fucking morons who are either too stupid or too lazy , or both, to have a say in how things are run...it doesn't seem like they may be part of the reasons, a big part, that we have the currently fucked up situation we have?...willfully uninformed, semi-literate, stupid assholes have absolutely no right to have a say in how things are run, we just give them one anyway, because fucking snowflakes want everyone to feel like they've been treated fairly....well i haven't been treated fairly, i've been exposed to fucking trumptard disease because of them, and i say fuck them all...fortunately for them, no one but me gives a flying fuck what i say...