Exotics, PGRS, Foilars, "snake oil"

[Samwell Seed Well]

anyone who actaully is interested in learning has already been given a number of resources in this thread to review and apply its functions and uses to improve your own quality and output.


learn the different PGR/s and the types , then learn what they do biologically to your plant and use that big puzzle solver above your mouth suckers and apply that knowledge to improving aspects of your grow.... everyone should be trying to illicit auxin and cytokin production and your comfort levels with increasing production of others naturally derived or not PGRs should be next.

or just keep scrolling.... replying is a choice not an obligation

 

[OG-KGP]

MSDS was how the fed/epa classified chemical data sheets like 4 years ago....

since 2017 i believe its SDS


lol, no wonder yall cant deduce toxicology reports let alone interpret their data.

but yes, all the things you dont understand are really scary

and really PGRs deserve your respect and attention, but oh well.

Talk about interpreting data... Sounds like you have a hard time interpreting a post on RIU forums that has no big fancy words at all. Did you miss the part how this product was banned over 10 years ago?

Yeah, SDS, I'm sorry but your own posts states the obvious. There was no SDS on a product not in production for over a decade.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

that product is not the PGR or the topic of this thread, the thread is a pioson the well exercise which ill gladley debunk one statement after another, if i can

its a product probably a bad one

 

[OG-KGP]

that product is not the PGR or the topic of this thread, the thread is a pioson the well exercise which ill gladley debunk one statement after another, if i can

its a product probably a bad one

Im not denying that. Bad for health, but incredible results on yield and density of finished product. I don't know what is in that bottle, but it had to have synthetic PGR's or something of that sort. Id be curious to know.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

not bad for health at all. maybe when used inapproratly.

pot when smoked is carcinegenic, the word without process of effect means nothing

PGRs are a natural thing, present in all plants your eat smoke or touch.

 

[OG-KGP]

not bad for health at all. maybe when used inapproratly.

pot when smoked is carcinegenic, the word without process of effect means nothing

PGRs are a natrual thing, present in all plants your eat smoke or touch.

I understand all that.

I want to know what was in that bottle of Humboldt gravity ( the original formula) and why its banned.

Edited to add:

I think i just found out.

Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is a plant growth retardant and triazole fungicide. It is a known antagonist of the plant hormone gibberellin. It acts by inhibiting gibberellin biosynthesis, reducing internodial growth to give stouter stems, increasing root growth, causing early fruitset and increasing seedset in plants such as tomato[1] and pepper.[2] PBZ has also been shown to reduce frost sensitivity in plants. Moreover, paclobutrazol can be used as a chemical approach for reducing the risk of lodging in cereal crops.(kamran et al 2017). PBZ is used by arborists to reduce shoot growth and has been shown to have additional positive effects on trees and shrubs. Among those are improved resistance to drought stress, darker green leaves, higher resistance against fungi and bacteria, and enhanced development of roots.[3][4][5][6] Cambial growth, as well as shoot growth, has been shown to be reduced in some tree species.[7]

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

that specific PGR is paclobutrazol also known as a gibberellin antagonist in which it inhibits gibberellin production(essentially slowing down growth to maximize , branching nodes production, yada yada


ive used it on plants, never pot plants(never cannabis,never needed it), at dilutions of 3ppm or 300ppm, its 100% a carcinagen and at that time and currently California doesnt allow its use on cannabis

you can buy it in many forms in many products, its not banned when advertised responsibly

Humbolt sucks...its not paclos fualt they suck

 

[Lenin1917]

I use kelp a lot. it’s got gibberlins and what not. Foliar teas, and extra meal in the soil. Get nice hard, dense nugs, but they get enough light too. Ain’t never had nothing larfy but a few lower buds that should’ve been stripped anyways. Nothing against synthetics I just like to know what I’m using and that’s easier with kelp than mystery propriety formulas. If you want to get fancy maybe add some soluble protein isolates. Soy, or pea would probably both be fine.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

i swear to god , say what again

 

[NanoGadget]

Bigger issue was I started the thread to ask about what people have had success with, their experiences. Even I acknowledge some of this stuff is probably too dangerous. But once again like every one of these threads I read prior to posting this one, offering my experiences to see if anyone had done similarly, I got this. This goddamn hippie I smokie organic dope crowd. I got ha. Some kid smoked some plastic dipped weed and almost went blind. Y'all can grow some killer weed without chemicals. Cool cool. This thread aint for you. I'm not trying to cram nuclear weed down your throat. I'm asking, did a person ever try xyz, what happened. For example humic acid in res or soil and fluvic acid as a foilar. That's not a Pgr. What? Oh no cancer!!?

You continue to make foolish assumptions and baseless claims. I don't even grow organically. Promix hp and Jacks all day. I'm also not a hippie. I'm a middle aged man with a house, a job, and a lovely wife. I also already stated that PGR isn't what I took issue with. But you know, keep having your little conservative flavored meltdown.

 

[Lenin1917]

What

 

[DesperateFarmer]

You continue to make foolish assumptions and baseless claims. I don't even grow organically. Promix hp and Jacks all day. I'm also not a hippie. I'm a middle aged man with a house, a job, and a lovely wife. I also already stated that PGR isn't what I took issue with. But you know, keep having your little conservative flavored meltdown.

Not really a melt down. More of you want to talk about ethics. and I don't really care.

 

[DesperateFarmer]

I understand all that.

I want to know what was in that bottle of Humboldt gravity ( the original formula) and why its banned.

Edited to add:

I think i just found out.

Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is a plant growth retardant and triazole fungicide. It is a known antagonist of the plant hormone gibberellin. It acts by inhibiting gibberellin biosynthesis, reducing internodial growth to give stouter stems, increasing root growth, causing early fruitset and increasing seedset in plants such as tomato[1] and pepper.[2] PBZ has also been shown to reduce frost sensitivity in plants. Moreover, paclobutrazol can be used as a chemical approach for reducing the risk of lodging in cereal crops.(kamran et al 2017). PBZ is used by arborists to reduce shoot growth and has been shown to have additional positive effects on trees and shrubs. Among those are improved resistance to drought stress, darker green leaves, higher resistance against fungi and bacteria, and enhanced development of roots.[3][4][5][6] Cambial growth, as well as shoot growth, has been shown to be reduced in some tree species.[7]

I didn't know it was a triazole. That is interesting.

 

[DesperateFarmer]

anyone who actaully is interested in learning has already been given a number of resources in this thread to review and apply its functions and uses to improve your own quality and output.


learn the different PGR/s and the types , then learn what they do biologically to your plant and use that big puzzle solver above your mouth suckers and apply that knowledge to improving aspects of your grow.... everyone should be trying to illicit auxin and cytokin production and your comfort levels with increasing production of others naturally derived or not PGRs should be next.

or just keep scrolling.... replying is a choice not an obligation

Not really looking for a list of random PGRs. I was looking for what was being used, and experiences good or bad. Listing some I had tried on various crops. But it turned into some sort of war over ethics, politics (my fault), and adorable cat photos. I sorta expected all this. But its because these threads are hard to find uncluttered with debate. Guess I got my post count up quick huh?

 

[Herb & Suds]

I find it disingenuous to raise pgr’s and then say I didn’t realize it was controversial

 

[DesperateFarmer]

I find it disingenuous to raise pgr’s and then say I didn’t realize it was controversial

The L-Glutamine was probably more controversial, MSG oh no! It really didn't have residue. The PGRs are just so obscure, hippies usually worry more about animals than plants. On that note, Monsanto has sure never given a damn about anyone, and Bayer paying the price. I suspect we are all dying from that forever gen X or whatever formula of nonstick teflon we all getting exposed to

 

[Lenin1917]

Did somebody say adorable cat photos?

 

[OG-KGP]

I find it disingenuous to raise pgr’s and then say I didn’t realize it was controversial

The OP stated in the first post very clearly, he was looking for experience and opinions of PGR's from those that have used them. He also clearly stated he was not looking for opinions about the ethics of it. I realize every thread on here turns into a shit show but its the ones at fault for dragging this down, not OP's.

I hate cats so have nothing more to add.

 

[madvillian420]

Talk about interpreting data... Sounds like you have a hard time interpreting a post on RIU forums that has no big fancy words at all. Did you miss the part how this product was banned over 10 years ago?

Yeah, SDS, I'm sorry but your own posts states the obvious. There was no SDS on a product not in production for over a decade.

dont you dare take away his "lol" moment.

lol.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Not really looking for a list of random PGRs. I was looking for what was being used, and experiences good or bad. Listing some I had tried on various crops. But it turned into some sort of war over ethics, politics (my fault), and adorable cat photos. I sorta expected all this. But its because these threads are hard to find uncluttered with debate. Guess I got my post count up quick huh?

well , im going to go out on a limb and say first rule of debate.

know your audience.

we are sorry.

let me go back to OP post and take a look.

most of the time you use PGRs for effect. to testing without prior understandng to the affect you are tryign to illicit isnt neccsarily the best way to learn.

and each plant will be effected by different PGR's differently, a rate and effect scene in begonias, @300ppm will cause disasterious probelms for ivy geraniums(or calibricoa possibly, i actually forget)(@1ppm), these are known and most of the info you are looking for is known. just less for cannabis because its such a vigorous grower to begin with people dont need to bring in outside PGRs. they illicit the plants already high functioning PGR production through health, cultural and mechical stimuli and teas, fulvic,humics, kelps of various kinds make different PGRs for rooting, etc

one you will hear about is tricantinol and its in several products that exist in legal markets and is completely legal and as far as anyone knows is safe(we can only operate under knowns)