Exotics, PGRS, Foilars, "snake oil"

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DesperateFarmer

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Samwell Seed Well said:
well , im going to go out on a limb and say first rule of debate.

know your audience.

we are sorry.

let me go back to OP post and take a look.

most of the time you use PGRs for effect. to testing without prior understandng to the affect you are tryign to illicit isnt neccsarily the best way to learn.

and each plant will be effected by different PGR's differently, a rate and effect scene in begonias, @300ppm will cause disasterious probelms for ivy geraniums(or calibricoa possibly, i actually forget)(@1ppm), these are known and most of the info you are looking for is known. just less for cannabis because its such a vigorous grower to begin with people dont need to bring in outside PGRs. they illicit the plants already high functioning PGR production through health, cultural and mechical stimuli and teas, fulvic,humics, kelps of various kinds make different PGRs for rooting, etc

one you will hear about is tricantinol and its in several products that exist in legal markets and is completely legal and as far as anyone knows is safe(we can only operate under knowns)
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One grower told me he knocks down nutes by 75% during some of PGR application or another due to the vigor of Cannabis. I assume he must have been trying to get tighter nodes or something. I am sorry if I was an asshole. Wasn't my intent, but it sounds kinda asshole-y reading back over myself. Thank you. Your points are entirely valid
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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DesperateFarmer said:
One grower told me he knocks down nutes by 75% during some of PGR application or another due to the vigor of Cannabis. I assume he must have been trying to get tighter nodes or something. I am sorry if I was an asshole. Wasn't my intent, but it sounds kinda asshole-y reading back over myself. Thank you. Your points are entirely valid
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im def the asshole but by choice.

if a grower is attempting to increase value of product by decreasing its nutrient load, he's a tool. nutrients should the cheapest direct impact on quality and quantity/next to light. its cost nothing to the amount of time wasted throwing darts at confirmation bias boards.

dont use paclo on pot.

if you are looking for a legal horticulture worlds canary for what is safe to possibly test. look to tobbacco, since its dried and combusted it will be a good par to look for data not represented in cannabis
 
madvillian420

madvillian420

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A few of us idiots were well aware that theres a handful of commonly used nutrient sources that contain PGR's. I use alfalfa meal,kelp meal, and a foliar that contains a liquid culture of an edible mushroom grown in a mixture of pineapple juice, papaya puree, and molasses.

Sounds like you know a lot on the subject so let me ask, are the commercially available PGRs sold in a concentrated form?
 
mudballs

mudballs

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DesperateFarmer said:
In the 80s the Spanish tried 24d on melons at very low ppm to push vines. And later as a sweetner by "stressing". (It didnt work). I think glyphosate stress is mostly useful as a selection tool for outdoor use to make a tolerant variety in broad acre. By generation 5 of 100 plants you should have a roundup ready variety. But I haven't used glyph like that so I can't say. I do know it makes an absolutely wonderful cleaner. If you do experiment post results. If you'll read what herbicide group you use you can look for what amino acid chain is disrupts and possibly target what you want to do. Just remember alot of these things are dangerous.
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I wanna talk to you a bit more on something after thinking about it. I like ur Ag background so wanna chat about that 5 gen 100 plant thing. Now does that evolutionary progression work for regional climate acclimation also?
Im in east texas, outdoor grower, and my long term project is to get some outdoor bloodlines for this regional climate and i dont know how many generations it takes for a lineage to gain climate acclimation? I think it only takes 3 but not sure, so asking an ole timer almanac type for his input
 
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DesperateFarmer

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mudballs said:
I wanna talk to you a bit more on something after thinking about it. I like ur Ag background so wanna chat about that 5 gen 100 plant thing. Now does that evolutionary progression work for regional climate acclimation also?
Im in east texas, outdoor grower, and my long term project is to get some outdoor bloodlines for this regional climate and i dont know how many generations it takes for a lineage to gain climate acclimation? I think it only takes 3 but not sure, so asking an ole timer almanac type for his input
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Yes. I learned this gem from Tony Melton, Clemson. Google. He retired in July, liver shot from years of hand chemical application exposure at research station. He has a new line of acclimated butterbeans being selected, I think they're on 3rd generation, started with many many varieties, from different sources, and selected good phenotypes. They are distributing foundation seed starting with gen 3. Gen 5 will be some rockstar stuff.
 
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mudballs

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DesperateFarmer said:
Yes. I learned this gem from Tony Melton, Clemson. Google. He retired in July, liver shot from years of hand chemical application exposure at research station. He has a new line of acclimated butterbeans being selected, I think they're on 3rd generation, started with many many varieties, from different sources, and selected good phenotypes. They are distributing foundation seed starting with gen 3. Gen 5 will be some rockstar stuff.
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Nice to hear, 3yrs isnt short but easy enough. Good chatting, thnx
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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Samwell Seed Well said:
anyone who actaully is interested in learning has already been given a number of resources in this thread to review and apply its functions and uses to improve your own quality and output.


learn the different PGR/s and the types , then learn what they do biologically to your plant and use that big puzzle solver above your mouth suckers and apply that knowledge to improving aspects of your grow.... everyone should be trying to illicit auxin and cytokin production and your comfort levels with increasing production of others naturally derived or not PGRs should be next.

or just keep scrolling.... replying is a choice not an obligation
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Completely unrelated, but can I ask why you have a weird picture of Buck 65 as your profile pic?
 
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Gumdrawp

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Samwell Seed Well said:
im def the asshole but by choice.

if a grower is attempting to increase value of product by decreasing its nutrient load, he's a tool. nutrients should the cheapest direct impact on quality and quantity/next to light. its cost nothing to the amount of time wasted throwing darts at confirmation bias boards.

dont use paclo on pot.

if you are looking for a legal horticulture worlds canary for what is safe to possibly test. look to tobbacco, since its dried and combusted it will be a good par to look for data not represented in cannabis
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I definitely would second never using paclo for cannabis, I hopped on the train about 7 or 8 years ago with my buddy and it nuked both of our flavors and aromas to a super generic weed taste, the yields were nuts though I've never even come close to the numbers I was hitting then.

After a while not having the same quality started to be detrimental even though I was yielding so much more. Then we learned how terrible it was to actually use and threw it in our respective boxes of shit we never use that sits in the corner.

Definitely made me steer clear of the synthetic pgrs and stick to stuff I could get from natural inputs and ferments.
 
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DesperateFarmer

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Gumdrawp said:
I definitely would second never using paclo for cannabis, I hopped on the train about 7 or 8 years ago with my buddy and it nuked both of our flavors and aromas to a super generic weed taste, the yields were nuts though I've never even come close to the numbers I was hitting then.

After a while not having the same quality started to be detrimental even though I was yielding so much more. Then we learned how terrible it was to actually use and threw it in our respective boxes of shit we never use that sits in the corner.

Definitely made me steer clear of the synthetic pgrs and stick to stuff I could get from natural inputs and ferments.
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With the glut in good weed not sure if yield matters if its crappy low quality. Sounds like that stuff takes away any phenotype traits. Good to hear your experiences. Thank you.
 
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Gumdrawp

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DesperateFarmer said:
With the glut in good weed not sure if yield matters if its crappy low quality. Sounds like that stuff takes away any phenotype traits. Good to hear your experiences. Thank you.
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No problem, it's hard to treat cannabis like most other ag crops imo. Corn you're only going to get so much per ear no matter the quality. Cannabis is definitely more si.ilar to wine grapes in that the secondary metabolites are your real breadwinners, the price point difference for quality is too great to ignore in cannabis imo.
 
Adi1989

Adi1989

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Lordhooha said:
All I know is anything synthetic pgr wise will light up testing resulting in me having to destroy 100’s of lbs. @Locktopus dude Im organic and don’t seem to have any issue hitting 27+% last hit 31% and some change from my slurricane #7 run . Honestly I focus on terpenes more than thc anyways. But with a good terpene profile and percentage comes good thc numbers. of course I should have known you’re a pro flush person too…….with coconut water of all things. Sad there’s nothing flushing does for your plants to start with. Also a properly setup room can keep up with a hydro run.
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Whats your secret lordhooha to bring out incredible terpenes?
 
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