Greenpoint seeds, has anyone else had issues?

[T Ray]

You tight with the goopster but never ran a pack of GP? Man he was literally giving them hoes away back in the days. He must not like you

I never said I was tight with him. I said I’ve known him and had some chats with him from that thread for many years. I know/remember a lot of people from that community and it was one of my favorite threads and his collection/addiction was one of the best library of seeds I’ve seen.

The last few years I had been going through all my TGA testers and the huge library of seeds Sub used to send me. Honestly I never really had to buy seeds bc I had a vast collection of seeds given to me by Sub for free anytime I asked, as I was one of his trusted testers.

However I can no longer email Sub (RIP) and just get seeds sent my way so I decided to find a bank/breeder to try out and being my knowledge of Gu and his seed collection days I knew who I was trying.

I did also get a bunch of Twenty20 genetics too.

T Ray

 

[GrowRijt]

Not sure why this thread even exists. The main thread has alll this same content good and bad. Stardawg is a foundational strain that yields awesome and tastes awesome. Has high thc when done right. JJ has hit on a few things. GP has been grown by some real pros and it’s stood up. Green dot labs has copper Chem on the menu if I remember right. I’ve grown a bunch of GP and got some real heaters. I e even made f2s and crosses with GP gear and those are all fire too. I’ve gotten way more herms from exotic than anyone else on the list. This goes for all bean vendors: if you’ve grown one pack and had a bad experience it’s not enough data to make a call. Try to run as many beans as you can afford. It takes some time and numbers.

 

[We Toke Chronic]

Not sure why this thread even exists. The main thread has alll this same content good and bad. Stardawg is a foundational strain that yields awesome and tastes awesome. Has high thc when done right. JJ has hit on a few things. GP has been grown by some real pros and it’s stood up. Green dot labs has copper Chem on the menu if I remember right. I’ve grown a bunch of GP and got some real heaters. I e even made f2s and crosses with GP gear and those are all fire too. I’ve gotten way more herms from exotic than anyone else on the list. This goes for all bean vendors: if you’ve grown one pack and had a bad experience it’s not enough data to make a call. Try to run as many beans as you can afford. It takes some time and numbers.

Not Everyone is satisfied with one keeper out of every 5packs of seeds like some people are. You can run a lot of breeders who have all keepers, you just pick the pheno you prefer.

Green dot labs? Come to Cali and you’ll never see GP anywhere in dispensaries and definitely not at a clone/tissue culture company

 

[MyBallzItch]

Not sure why this thread even exists. The main thread has alll this same content good and bad. Stardawg is a foundational strain that yields awesome and tastes awesome. Has high thc when done right. JJ has hit on a few things. GP has been grown by some real pros and it’s stood up. Green dot labs has copper Chem on the menu if I remember right. I’ve grown a bunch of GP and got some real heaters. I e even made f2s and crosses with GP gear and those are all fire too. I’ve gotten way more herms from exotic than anyone else on the list. This goes for all bean vendors: if you’ve grown one pack and had a bad experience it’s not enough data to make a call. Try to run as many beans as you can afford. It takes some time and numbers.

Chem, and Gus stardawg is no different, tends to dominate a lot of crosses it is in. The mother seems to come through more on some strains but I popped 8 tombstone a year or two ago got 5 females. 3 were chem dominate, 1 was weird little smell or frost and never finished, and the last one had TK buds with CD smell/flavor. Aside from the runt they were potent and I like CD but I find I prefer for the chem to come from mama.

If you want a cheap pack of chem seeds you can't go wrong with at least growing a pack of GP. Purple badlands and cookies and chem were nice packs. Still get your share of chem Dom but the more balanced phenos are phenomenal

 

[V256.420]

Exactly my thoughts. He’s a liar or a sock puppet either way it’s sad to watch/hear. And he’s putting fourth quit an effort. People like that need to get off the internet, get a life, and stop spreading BS.

Anyone hyping shit up that they’ve never grown or anything from that breeder is a fake a$$ mother fu****

My pics/grows of GPS/Heisenbeans gear speaks for itself. All people need to do is look for themselves and not pay attention to the haters. Period

 

[T Ray]

Exactly my thoughts. He’s a liar or a sock puppet either way it’s sad to watch/hear. And he’s putting fourth quit an effort. People like that need to get off the internet, get a life, and stop spreading BS.

Anyone hyping shit up that they’ve never grown or anything from that breeder is a fake a$$ mother fu****

Listen here bud, you can check my post history or my IG account. I’ve been around a long time. Again I’ve been a tester for TGA for a long time. Ive had my pictures published in magazines and had an entire write up on the Jesus OG.

Strain Report - TGA Seeds - Jesus OG Kush by Sub

My research has tracked down the history of this clone and it seems unanimous that it came from a commercial H.A. room in Orange County, grown by the same crew that brought the Orange County Larry cut into medical dispensaries. I asked Dioxide his thoughts on the two year project and this was...

www.weedworldmagazine.org

I’m no troll, but I do think it’s bullshit for you trying publicly bash him bc he runs poly x poly. From my first post on here I said I’m sticking up for him bc it reminds me exactly of how people used to talk shit about TGA/Subcool.

T Ray

 

[We Toke Chronic]

Listen here bud, you can check my post history or my IG account. I’ve been around a long time. Again I’ve been a tester for TGA for a long time. Ive had my pictures published in magazines and had an entire write up on the Jesus OG.

Strain Report - TGA Seeds - Jesus OG Kush by Sub

My research has tracked down the history of this clone and it seems unanimous that it came from a commercial H.A. room in Orange County, grown by the same crew that brought the Orange County Larry cut into medical dispensaries. I asked Dioxide his thoughts on the two year project and this was...

www.weedworldmagazine.org

I’m no troll, but I do think it’s bullshit for you trying publicly bash him bc he runs poly x poly. From my first post on here I said I’m sticking up for him bc it reminds me exactly of how people used to talk shit about TGA/Subcool.

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Sorry my review on GP isn’t identical to yours but it is pretty similar to a bunch of other growers.

You know GU from seed trading days?? Does it matter??
I know Seedjunky from back in the “seed trading days” too but I don’t brag because it means nothing

I also CURRENTLY know mendodope and Str8organics personally and they both are running my gear this coming year..but I don’t go bragging about it.

I grew Jesus OG in 2013 why did it take 5 years later for you to grow it in 2018? That confused me

I know about a diverse gene pool I make my own crosses. The issue with GP is rushed reversals that don’t carry the traits you want because it hasn’t been worked long enough. They lie about testers and multiple other things. GOOGLE the reviews or just ignore them and grow GP.

AND Trainwreck doesn’t throw nanners (no idea what Trainwreck you grew but mine has never done that) and I’ve grown ALOT of trainwreck..I have my own trainwreck crosses and never got one hermie. The reason is I’m not reversing trainwreck and rushing it off to sell.

I would also be willing to toss free seeds to whoever wants to run a side my side with Greenpoint. Or whoever thinks trainwreck throws nanners lol

 

[T Ray]

Arcata Trainwreck has been throwing late term sterile nanners since forever.


Why it says 2018 I have no clue but I grew it out before it ever went into production. I was literally the write up on it when it came out. That article was written by Sub himself. I have tons of of emails between us as I said I was one of his testers for many years.

Heres the original write on this site if you want to try to call me out.

Jesus OG Kush Hell throws a Party!

I want to tell you the story of the long journey we took to create our new hybrid Jesus OG Kush. Before I get started I would like to thank T-Ray for his amazing photographs and very thorough test he performed behind the scenes for me. Why after all this time have I decided to work with Kush...

www.rollitup.org

It’s not bragging. It’s that you called me a troll or a liar and I was explaining I’m neither and I’m a legit person.

I’m not going to sit here and entertain you any longer. You don’t like GP bc he runs poly x poly. I get it, but so did Sub. I grew out tons of his TGA and there were a ton of Karen’s just like you then too.

T Ray

 

[Gu~]

I stand behind the quality of our products. What makes Greenpoint Seeds different is that we are both Breeder and Seed Bank.
The most popular seed banks are located outside the US and are stocked with the same seeds from shop to shop, white-labeled as different products.

As the breeder, we create our products. Because of the higher standard for Breeders vs. Seed banks, we are hyper-focused on the quality seeds we produce. Our regular seeds are true Chem hybrids. They are renowned for their potency and yield and have proven themselves reliable for almost a decade.
The feminized seeds exceed the quality of the European seed banks, are genuine clone-only genetics, and are 100% American-made.

I think there are plenty of very talented breeders out there. You guys mentioned Sub, Jbezzy, and JJ. All great contributors. What we need more of are breeders that want to be seed banks.

 

[sunni]

Theres no reason to get into heated discussions over this with name calling.

 

[T Ray]

Funny reaction considering you liked my post.

I’ll give you you didn’t say it directly, but here’s a quote that tells me you don’t get it.

“genetics that have been worked long enough to get the hermaphroditism out of its gene pool”

poly x poly is genetically diverse….meaning it’s not worked. Yes some poly hybrid strains crossed show the tendencies more than others, but again some of the best strains we all love, came from hermie bag seed.

Have you not read the story about Chem D? It literally came from a true stressed hermie that 13 seeds came out of that are the basis for a lot of the strains we love today.

In essence your saying Chem genetics are weak since they didn’t have “the hermaphroditism out of its gene pool”. It’s a weak argument in my book.

If everyone saw it like you Chem lines wouldn’t be around. I’m glad we all don’t. If it’s super fire but throws a few nanners at the end I’m not culling it just for that sole reason alone.

@sunni and I made sure it’s name calling free.

T Ray

 

[T Ray]

It’s like talking to a brick wall. I can’t. It’s literally a quote from your post.

Explain to me in detail how a poly x poly be worked to get hermaphroditism out of its gene pool as you say and still be a poly?

The reason polys are polys is because they open the gene pool up and are diverse. It don’t make sense what your saying.

Here’s the definition of a poly hybrid









Do you see where it says unstabilized? It can’t be both stabilized and unstable at the same time like you claim. Lol

If it’s worked to it’s no longer a poly hybrid.

 

[We Toke Chronic]

It’s like talking to a brick wall. I can’t. It’s literally a quote from your post.

Explain to me in detail how a poly x poly be worked to get hermaphroditism out of its gene pool as you say and still be a poly?

No you’re like talking to a brick wall.

And you’re lost. You brought up polyhybrids dude lol wake up

To answer your question- Selection is key. Have a better selection process and get rid of the hermies

 

[T Ray]

Not Everyone is satisfied with one keeper out of every 5packs of seeds like some people are. You can run a lot of breeders who have all keepers, you just pick the pheno you prefer.

Green dot labs? Come to Cali and you’ll never see GP anywhere in dispensaries and definitely not at a clone/tissue culture company

Is this you?

You said me you are fine with poly x poly bc you know terps are there but want poly that has herm traits out. That doesn’t make sense two unstabilized strains are a poly by definition which means they can’t have herm trait out.

Here you say you want 5 keepers per pack. I don’t know what your growing that is unique that has 5 keepers per plant. That sounds like a very stabilized plant to me with highly stabilized genetics to get traits you want. If everyone is getting 5 keepers a pack than what you have everyone can have. I’ve never had a strain have 5 keepers in a pack like your saying.

Maybe my standards are just really high, but 1 out of every 20 pack would be great to find 1 true keeper and even than that’s very small numbers to find something truly special. Every 10 females maybe gets 1/2 plants that go for round 2 and 98% don’t make it past round 5 unless it’s truly unique and special.

The best part of growing seeds is finding something nobody else has. That doesn’t come from stabilized genetics like your talking.

The clone only plants everyone finds are from polys bc stabilized plants are uniform and consistent like getting 5 keepers per pack. Nobody who pheno hunts like I do wants a pack of seeds that are consistent bc then everyone has the same as you.

The lottery of polys is what brings the great genetic combinations that make new clone onlys.

 

[We Toke Chronic]

Here you say you want 5 keepers per pack. I don’t know what your growing that is unique that has 5 keepers per plant. That sounds like a very stabilized plant to me with highly stabilized genetics to get traits you want. If everyone is getting 5 keepers a pack than what you have everyone can have.
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Dang AGAIN bro?? Are you ok? You’re reading one thing but it’s not clicking in your brain.

I said not everyone is happy with 1 keeper out of 5 whole packs from GP.

i didn’t say that I’m not happy unless I get 5keepers in a pack LOL just stop
I don’t know wtf you’re talking about. Sharping up your reading and comprehension skills bruuuuhhh!!!

 

[T Ray]

What genetics is that you get 5 keepers a pack? With that logic everyone can have 5 clone only keepers in a 10 pack. That would be a hell of a story if that were in any way true.

No need to ever buy more than 1 pack from these unicorn breeders.

Crazy that all the big timers I know grow out hundreds/thousands of plants to find 1 keeper and you can find 5 in 1 pack.

I’m not sure you realize what your saying. It’s truly incredible.

 

[We Toke Chronic]

I’m not sure you realize what your saying. It’s truly incredible.

I’m not sure you realize what you’re reading. I tried to help you with capital letters but I think I confused you more. It’s ok!
You admitted you’ve never grown Greenpoint so you’re obviously talking out of your ash and just arguing!

Who are these “big timers” that go through hundreds of thousands of plants (WHAT YOU READ ONLINE DOESN’T COUNT AS SOMEBODY YOU KNOW)
When a “big timer” does a mega pheno hunt it’s not that they’re not finding multiple keepers they’re just looking for the most unique/strongest plant and they can say it was the best out of thousands.

i have strains that every pheno is pretty much a keeper, it’s just up to your taste.

Here’s an example to help you because god knows you need all the help you can get!! - If the keeper is in the seeds your old timer friend is hunting then it just depends when he pops that One keeper right? Could be the first seed he pops or it could be the last. Anyways…

have a good thanksgiving

 

[T Ray]

The people I know you wouldn’t know as I’m not from Cali and I’m not about to name names of people I personally know who run through huge pheno hunts when we have number counts where I live.

However Heroes of the Farm, Twenty20, and tons of farmers go through pheno hunts way bigger than anything I know personally or do around my area and they document them.

Its definitely happening on a large scale in a lot of areas and they aren’t getting a 50% keeper rate or even close on the females.

Here is a documented article about exactly what I mean. .1% are keepers out of 10k to these growers, but you find 5 per 10/12/13 pack.



Seems someone is out of their element and it isn’t me.

 

[We Toke Chronic]

The people I know you wouldn’t know as I’m not from Cali and I’m not about to name names of people I personally know who run through huge pheno hunts when we have number counts where I live.

However Heroes of the Farm, Twenty20, and tons of farmers go through pheno hunts way bigger than anything I know personally or do around my area and they document them.

Its definitely happening on a large scale in a lot of areas and they aren’t getting a 50% keeper rate or even close on the females.

Here is a documented article about exactly what I mean. .1% are keepers out of 10k to these growers, but you find 5 per 10/12/13 pack.

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Seems someone is out of their element and it isn’t me.

You’re definitely out of your element. Do you breed? No lol
“Keepers” isn’t just a term for plants you want to potentially breed with, it means something you like and that you want to grow again and smoke consistently.

That’s too funny I knew who you were referring to when you said “big timers go through hundreds and thousands of plants to find ONE KEEPER” and knew you would post the Mega Pheno Hunt that’s why I mentioned it first lol

My strain Lavender Frosting that I told you would be almost all keepers is actually a cross of the VANILLA FROSTING that was done in the mega pheno hunt. It’s vanilla frosting (purple pheno cut from dark heart nursery) crossed with Bodhi’s Lavender Jack. Super unique terp profile and you’ll find a lot of vanilla frosting leaners done in that hunt you linked!

 

[T Ray]

Exactly something I want to keep in my garden needs to be better than what I have bc I won’t keep something that’s mediocre. If it can’t hang with my clone only and personally selected varieties why would I keep it?

A Keeper is very subjective to what you already have in your garden and how much space you have for new varieties. Alot of clone only strains I’ve ran don’t even make it past 2nd runs bc they’re not good enough.

Breeder is a loose term thrown around, so by the standard of today’s breeders sure I’ve bred and grown my own poly hybrids just never sold them.

I posted that hunt only bc it shows that a proper pheno hunt for elite genetic expressions that check all the boxes isn’t easy period and the amount that are elite are slim. They were selected bc they were the best .1% (100) they found. Of course those will be used to breed with as they should on a pheno hunt of that scale. Money talks.