Cookie Rider
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That song plays in my head, every time I read the word “war”
War
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OldMedUser
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Who says that isn't one of their goals down the line? They are taking over a lot of territory in the Pacific and even building or expanding islands in the region. They already own huge swaths of Africa and much of it's critical infrastructure through overextending credit then foreclosing when payments can't be met as they predicted. A huge amount of American and Canadian manufacturing is now based in China and other Asian countries leaving us dependent on goods from there and increasing their economy while impoverishing ours.
Not to mention the vast amounts of US debt the Chinese own. Does not bode well.
captainmorgan
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There's always some crazy bastard that wants to rule the world.
hanimmal
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They also (if I am remembering right) cried about the sub deal between the UK, Australia, and America just like Russia does with Ukraine being armed.
One thing I really hope comes from this pandemic is bringing much of our manufacturing home. I am not xenophobic about trade with China, and know it really was mutually beneficial. But our industry moving out of America so that they could pollute due to lax environmental laws and exploit labor there really should no longer be profitable.
canndo
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I believe the keystone pipeline is Canadian and it carries Canadian crude.
Hard to see how we could export oil that isn't ours.
canndo
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Now that's funny. Folks are already bitching about the new improved cost of commodities in the u.s. imagine what inflation would look like if we had to pay triple the price of spatchulas, toaster ovens and clothing because it was all manufactured in the states.
Grandpapy
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Disney? Halliburton? Exxon? Think of the Stockholders!have you seen the size of Russia? and they need more space? + they can't have Ukraine we won't let them. my hope is that they are sanctioned so hard that the oligarchs economy crumbles.
we have options
Fogdog
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I haven't seen an analysis one way or the other, I'm guessing that the pennies saved on wages from manufacturing in low wage centers are eaten up by inefficiencies due to such long supply chains. It's not as if saving a dollar on wages by manufacturing in a child slave labor shop in Pakistan makes much difference in the cost of 500 dollar Nikes.
canndo
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Pennies? There are entire stores dependent on Chinese manufacturing and low low prices.
Fogdog
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I haven't seen an analysis. All I've ever seen is rhetoric. How much more would goods cost if manufactured in the US? I haven't seen the numbers behind the claim that inflation would rocket upward if we brought manufacturing home.
I've worked for companies where we moved production. It was all about giving the company tax breaks and special regulatory treatment. Yes, the labor was lower but that wasn't the driving factor and there were trade-offs that negated the benefits of lower wages. Lower wages made it possible to move the line by offsetting all the other additional expenses but they weren't the driving factor.
OldMedUser
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It would all last 10X as long so be well worth the money. A 6-pack of t-shirts my wife bought me 4 years ago are all shop rags now but I have ones since my teen years 50 years ago that may be getting threadbare but don't tear apart when you take them off. Towels from Pakistan that just smear the water around but claim to be 100% cotton like my old Canadian made ones that soak up water like a sponge and are also 100% cotton.
Junk that falls apart in no time with normal use at a tenth of the price is too damn much money.
OldMedUser
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The big bitch about the pipelines out of Alberta here is they want to ship diluted bitumen from Ft. MacMoney which is environmentally more destructive than sweet crude. The line to BC is still under construction so in time it will go to the refineries out there and be loaded on to ships mainly going to US refineries but likely overseas to China etc. Lot of consternation on the west coast about shipwrecks fouling beaches and the mega-loss of tourist dollars. Already hurting from the collapse of the salmon and covid.
Now if the Conservative gov't that ran things for 44 years here had of built refineries at the source and wanted to ship finished product instead of the worst crude ever there would be a lot less opposition to them. More jobs and value added with refinery output. Cheaper gas too as we pipe or rail crude out to the refineries in Burnaby, BC and have to ship the finished products back to Alberta. WTF?
As an Albertan who worked in the oil patch the last couple decades of my working life I'm kinda ticked off at Joe for putting the kibosh on Keystone but sure as hell don't want someone like tRump back to get it going.
I'm thinking Joe Rob Legacy- what does he have to lose?..'Be bold and go where no man has gone'- a world without war.
Russia will be sanctioned so far up their asses they won't be able to sit down; they think Magnitzky is binding?
Biden promised hellfire in sanctions; Putin will wish he were dead for being a little Napoleon. 8 years of VP and how Putin treated Obama?
Make no mistake he's ready to pull the trigger.
DIY-HP-LED
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It's probably what Ukraine is about to a degree, it's a hostage, if NATO sanctions Russia too much, but especially if they confiscate his and his buddy's money stashed in the west.
Edwin Starr or Low Rider?
Edwin Starr helped to shape my child mind.
so did the 'Look for the Union Label'
so did the Crying Native
so did 'this is your mind on drugs' (powerless over weed though)
this one too..and of course lots of Pink Floyd when older.
they have so much shit in Florida it was yet another reason to leave that inhospitable HOT Hellscape..you see the Russians are fvcked..all that shits going to drop into the sea or swallowed by sinkhole..after living in SoFla for 35? i know a little more about that place than they do.
Miami has sunny day flooding- as the tide comes in and out..that should be a clue. Russians are too busy keeping double books.
Florida is built on nothing but caverns..then there's the building inspector/board of director fraud scheme.
one hornets nest of lawsuits.
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hanimmal
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I know absolutism is what everyone loves to jump to, but it really is not necessary.
There will still be super cheap shit, like I said I like international trade.
But that doesn't mean that we should not move the majority of our needs back home so that we are not caught in supply crunches like we have been.
Exactly. With technology today there is not much of a reason we cannot offset many of those issues from the 80-early 2000's that were going to cost our manufacturing a lot to upgrade to a cleaner process.
HGCC
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US military strikes fell 54% in Biden's first year compared to Trump's last, monitoring group says
"The biggest take-home is that Biden has significantly decreased US military action across the globe," the group Airwars said in a new report.
www.businessinsider.com
Speaking of war, I think it would serve biden well to push this point publicly.
Grandpapy
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Communism is building a new Capitalist Industrial Park with even cheaper labor.
$66 a month salary would just right for GM, Caterpillar, Apple, Microsoft, ect. After all it's corporate law to follow the profits.