Will You Take The Vaccine?

[DurumGallico]

Does Macron have the power to do what he says? Do most people support his actions? Have you tried to understand why he says what he does?

In this country, people like you can quit their jobs if they don't like constitutionally valid vaccine mandates. Your body, your choice.

Of course he is powerful enough to "piss off people" (the exact term he employed was "emmerder", like "shit on people" yeah that's presidential language of course).

Theres no opposite power anymore in France, Assembly is fullfilled with "godillots" who would vote for any law the gov. is pushing, in fear of losing their place in the majority.
Senate has not the same dominant force (right party), but they have no real counterpower since all law they don't agree with is reviewed by both senate and assembly, they must find a middle ground and if not the assembly has the last word.
There's a constitutionnal council who should verify the constitutionnality of laws, but Macron and the gov. are literraly shitting on the council advice since they modify the laws weeks after they were validated by the council to add what the council cancelled, exactly like the sanitary pass ; council said it shouldn't be for daily activities, the law was approved like that, and like two weeks after the government changes radically the law and add daily activities with a decree that won't need to be validated by the council.
So yes Macron does pretty much anything he wants, that's a total denying of democracy and a vast majority of people are rising against that.

His sentence was pure political move and certainly not a mistake. One of the ministers said the interview he gave should have been released after the voting of the vaccinal pass law, and so it shouldn't have changed the vote ; only conforting his electoral base, nothing more than that and everyone saw that.
There's presidential elections this year, and yes he's trying to make vaccinated people agree with his politics and vote for him on next elections again everyone see that, of course unvaccinated are scapegoats for him and a nice tool to maintain his political base, and his sentence was certainly not a goofy thruth language fueled by honesty and goodwilling for the society. And yes beside that he revealed many times his sadistic tendencies and that's something french people can't stand for years. Yellow jackets, teachers, health pros, unemployed, far left and far right voters, young and old people, and now unvaccinated people pretty much every one got pissed off by this psychopatic sadist at one time or another during his mandate.

During his whole mandate, Macron has been hatred and unsupported by a vast majority of french people yes. As i said his power comes from the weakness of french counter power institutions and political parties weakness at the time of the election ; enough people voted for him to be elected against the "evilish fascist" Marine Lepen, and still he was elected with even not 25% of eligible voters, 22 or 23% if i recall well.
He never really had popular support despite the massive propaganda his close friend, owner of a huge part of french press made through his papers. I think he is easily the most hatred president from the fifth republic. Even got slapped by a dude during a meeting with popular crowd.

It's not how it works here, and again a lot of people are complaining against these restrictive laws, lot of vaccinated people too. Not everyone shits on unvaccinated people in France. And again medical secret, as i said not any employer can ask for your health or vaccinal status, except few exceptions like health professionals, police firemen etc... but in overall population it's not and will never be

 

[Fogdog]

Of course he is powerful enough to "piss off people" (the exact term he employed was "emmerder", like "shit on people" yeah that's presidential language of course).

Theres no opposite power anymore in France, Assembly is fullfilled with "godillots" who would vote for any law the gov. is pushing, in fear of losing their place in the majority.
Senate has not the same dominant force (right party), but they have no real counterpower since all law they don't agree with is reviewed by both senate and assembly, they must find a middle ground and if not the assembly has the last word.
There's a constitutionnal council who should verify the constitutionnality of laws, but Macron and the gov. are literraly shitting on the council advice since they modify the laws weeks after they were validated by the council to add what the council cancelled, exactly like the sanitary pass ; council said it shouldn't be for daily activities, the law was approved like that, and like two weeks after the government changes radically the law and add daily activities with a decree that won't need to be validated by the council.
So yes Macron does pretty much anything he wants, that's a total denying of democracy and a vast majority of people are rising against that.

His sentence was pure political move and certainly not a mistake. One of the ministers said the interview he gave should have been released after the voting of the vaccinal pass law, and so it shouldn't have changed the vote ; only conforting his electoral base, nothing more than that and everyone saw that.
There's presidential elections this year, and yes he's trying to make vaccinated people agree with his politics and vote for him on next elections again everyone see that, of course unvaccinated are scapegoats for him and a nice tool to maintain his political base, and his sentence was certainly not a goofy thruth language fueled by honesty and goodwilling for the society. And yes beside that he revealed many times his sadistic tendencies and that's something french people can't stand for years. Yellow jackets, teachers, health pros, unemployed, far left and far right voters, young and old people, and now unvaccinated people pretty much every one got pissed off by this psychopatic sadist at one time or another during his mandate.

During his whole mandate, Macron has been hatred and unsupported by a vast majority of french people yes. As i said his power comes from the weakness of french counter power institutions and political parties weakness at the time of the election ; enough people voted for him to be elected against the "evilish fascist" Marine Lepen, and still he was elected with even not 25% of eligible voters, 22 or 23% if i recall well.
He never really had popular support despite the massive propaganda his close friend, owner of a huge part of french press made through his papers. I think he is easily the most hatred president from the fifth republic. Even got slapped by a dude during a meeting with popular crowd.

It's not how it works here, and again a lot of people are complaining against these restrictive laws, lot of vaccinated people too. Not everyone shits on unvaccinated people in France. And again medical secret, as i said not any employer can ask for your health or vaccinal status, except few exceptions like health professionals, police firemen etc... but in overall population it's not and will never be

73% vaccination rate in France. I don't think you are going to win this fight. Just get vaccinated. It's not a big deal and could save your life.

 

[DurumGallico]

73% vaccination rate in France. I don't think you are going to win this fight. Just get vaccinated. It's not a big deal and could save your life.

The only reason why vaccination rate is so high is because of restrictive laws, and not a need for the 73% of vaccinated. I know way more people who did it under constraint, and only to get access to public transport doing sport drink a beer to the bar etc. than for protecting themselves against hospitalization and death.
Also this rate will decrease with new shots, a lot of people are complaining about third shot, even not speaking about fourth or fifth.
There's at least a good thing in this, and something i never refuted, yes old and weak people have a really nice access to vaccines. But it still has nothing to do with restrictive laws.

I consider injecting at least three times, something that i don't need considering my age and good health is nonsense. Of course there's exceptions and i might get a severe form, but the chance is so low considering all factors, yes it's a non sense to get regular shots and accept these restrictive and segregating laws. If people from my age and health, consider they want or need to be vaccinated i'm perfectly fine with that since it's their personal choice. But nobody has to force me getting vaccinated, again considering it's a broken tool to stop transmission, no speaking about ethics moral and financial issues.

Not trying to convince you, just saying not every unvaccinated is a crazy antivax who kills babies and you should respect my choice as much as i respect yours.

 

[zeddd]

French politics is thankfully completely irrelevant unless you are French or live there. Macron is a dick

 

[subwax]

 

[subwax]

 

[subwax]

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Not trying to convince you, just saying not every unvaccinated is a crazy antivax who kills babies and you should respect my choice as much as i respect yours.

The unvaxxed do fill hospitals, are more contagious and indirectly harm others who need hospital services. It is at it's core a fear driven antisocial act of largely ignorant people. Soon the point will be moot, the unvaxxed will be immunized with omicron, they say it's mild, but it's actually a gamble. The benefits of vaccines and boosters are evident in the statistics and while they might not prevent all illness and wane with time, they can attenuate it and prevent severe outcomes in many people.

This pandemic appears to be going the way of previous ones, the virus has mutated into a more contagious and less virulent strain that has displaced other more virulent strains. That doesn't mean it can't seriously sicken and kill many people, it just means it appears to have lower hospitalization and mortality rates, so far.

Being unvaccinated is a bad idea and decision driven by disinformation and irrational fear, try and defend it if you want, but it's a losing proposition. You don't really have a moral or ethical leg to stand on, neither do you have a logical one. The unvaxxed appear to have gotten lucky with omicron and we in general are lucky too, it could have been even more virulent than delta and just as contagious as omicron.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Of course he is powerful enough to "piss off people" (the exact term he employed was "emmerder", like "shit on people" yeah that's presidential language of course).

Theres no opposite power anymore in France, Assembly is fullfilled with "godillots" who would vote for any law the gov. is pushing, in fear of losing their place in the majority.
Senate has not the same dominant force (right party), but they have no real counterpower since all law they don't agree with is reviewed by both senate and assembly, they must find a middle ground and if not the assembly has the last word.
There's a constitutionnal council who should verify the constitutionnality of laws, but Macron and the gov. are literraly shitting on the council advice since they modify the laws weeks after they were validated by the council to add what the council cancelled, exactly like the sanitary pass ; council said it shouldn't be for daily activities, the law was approved like that, and like two weeks after the government changes radically the law and add daily activities with a decree that won't need to be validated by the council.
So yes Macron does pretty much anything he wants, that's a total denying of democracy and a vast majority of people are rising against that.

His sentence was pure political move and certainly not a mistake. One of the ministers said the interview he gave should have been released after the voting of the vaccinal pass law, and so it shouldn't have changed the vote ; only conforting his electoral base, nothing more than that and everyone saw that.
There's presidential elections this year, and yes he's trying to make vaccinated people agree with his politics and vote for him on next elections again everyone see that, of course unvaccinated are scapegoats for him and a nice tool to maintain his political base, and his sentence was certainly not a goofy thruth language fueled by honesty and goodwilling for the society. And yes beside that he revealed many times his sadistic tendencies and that's something french people can't stand for years. Yellow jackets, teachers, health pros, unemployed, far left and far right voters, young and old people, and now unvaccinated people pretty much every one got pissed off by this psychopatic sadist at one time or another during his mandate.

During his whole mandate, Macron has been hatred and unsupported by a vast majority of french people yes. As i said his power comes from the weakness of french counter power institutions and political parties weakness at the time of the election ; enough people voted for him to be elected against the "evilish fascist" Marine Lepen, and still he was elected with even not 25% of eligible voters, 22 or 23% if i recall well.
He never really had popular support despite the massive propaganda his close friend, owner of a huge part of french press made through his papers. I think he is easily the most hatred president from the fifth republic. Even got slapped by a dude during a meeting with popular crowd.

It's not how it works here, and again a lot of people are complaining against these restrictive laws, lot of vaccinated people too. Not everyone shits on unvaccinated people in France. And again medical secret, as i said not any employer can ask for your health or vaccinal status, except few exceptions like health professionals, police firemen etc... but in overall population it's not and will never be

 

[C. Nesbitt]

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When I get out of work today, I’m thinking of going on a meth bender this weekend and picking a thread to troll endlessly. I’m planning to roll-play a little and will be styling myself as a hard-right dual resident of and expert in the politics and societies of Canada and Denmark.
There’s a 10,000 word limit for individual posts here, my goal is to hit that limit at least three times. Stay tuned for unhinged walls of text, ehh.

 

[zeddd]

Literally no one cares about French politics, you’ve got some irritating little shit albeit a victim of a pedo, or an old school fascist or the spawn of Nazi.
Very good wine though

 

[DurumGallico]

The unvaxxed do fill hospitals, are more contagious and indirectly harm others who need hospital services. It is at it's core a fear driven antisocial act of largely ignorant people. Soon the point will be moot, the unvaxxed will be immunized with omicron, they say it's mild, but it's actually a gamble. The benefits of vaccines and boosters are evident in the statistics and while they might not prevent all illness and wane with time, they can attenuate it and prevent severe outcomes in many people.

This pandemic appears to be going the way of previous ones, the virus has mutated into a more contagious and less virulent strain that has displaced other more virulent strains. That doesn't mean it can't seriously sicken and kill many people, it just means it appears to have lower hospitalization and mortality rates, so far.

Being unvaccinated is a bad idea and decision driven by disinformation and irrational fear, try and defend it if you want, but it's a losing proposition. You don't really have a moral or ethical leg to stand on, neither do you have a logical one. The unvaxxed appear to have gotten lucky with omicron and we in general are lucky too, it could have been even more virulent than delta and just as contagious as omicron.

Old and weak unvaccinated people do fill ICUs, in France admission in hospital is roughly 50/50 vax/unvax.. That's why it's good to have vaccination campaign toward old and weak, and certainly not get every 12+yo people on earth vaccinated four or five times. Of course i showed logical arguments, certainly not based on fear but i won't write again what you didn't achieve to understand once.

Soon we will move on an endemic situation since more and more people will be immunized through vaccine but also infection,less lethal strain will appear and it will be over. And i will be right for not getting 4 jabs for something i didn't need.

Europe's drug regulator joins WHO in pushback against excessive COVID boosters

More and more influential figures are talking about COVID becoming merely endemic.

fortune.com

 

[DurumGallico]

French politics is thankfully completely irrelevant unless you are French or live there. Macron is a dick

They are for us too, and sadly we might get another run of this psycho

 

[zeddd]

They are for us too, and sadly we might get another run of this psycho

I’m sorry to hear that, I’m fucking sick of these talentless creeps like Macron running countries, but the opposition is bat shit crazy.

 

[schuylaar]

Of course he is powerful enough to "piss off people" (the exact term he employed was "emmerder", like "shit on people" yeah that's presidential language of course).

Theres no opposite power anymore in France, Assembly is fullfilled with "godillots" who would vote for any law the gov. is pushing, in fear of losing their place in the majority.
Senate has not the same dominant force (right party), but they have no real counterpower since all law they don't agree with is reviewed by both senate and assembly, they must find a middle ground and if not the assembly has the last word.
There's a constitutionnal council who should verify the constitutionnality of laws, but Macron and the gov. are literraly shitting on the council advice since they modify the laws weeks after they were validated by the council to add what the council cancelled, exactly like the sanitary pass ; council said it shouldn't be for daily activities, the law was approved like that, and like two weeks after the government changes radically the law and add daily activities with a decree that won't need to be validated by the council.
So yes Macron does pretty much anything he wants, that's a total denying of democracy and a vast majority of people are rising against that.

His sentence was pure political move and certainly not a mistake. One of the ministers said the interview he gave should have been released after the voting of the vaccinal pass law, and so it shouldn't have changed the vote ; only conforting his electoral base, nothing more than that and everyone saw that.
There's presidential elections this year, and yes he's trying to make vaccinated people agree with his politics and vote for him on next elections again everyone see that, of course unvaccinated are scapegoats for him and a nice tool to maintain his political base, and his sentence was certainly not a goofy thruth language fueled by honesty and goodwilling for the society. And yes beside that he revealed many times his sadistic tendencies and that's something french people can't stand for years. Yellow jackets, teachers, health pros, unemployed, far left and far right voters, young and old people, and now unvaccinated people pretty much every one got pissed off by this psychopatic sadist at one time or another during his mandate.

During his whole mandate, Macron has been hatred and unsupported by a vast majority of french people yes. As i said his power comes from the weakness of french counter power institutions and political parties weakness at the time of the election ; enough people voted for him to be elected against the "evilish fascist" Marine Lepen, and still he was elected with even not 25% of eligible voters, 22 or 23% if i recall well.
He never really had popular support despite the massive propaganda his close friend, owner of a huge part of french press made through his papers. I think he is easily the most hatred president from the fifth republic. Even got slapped by a dude during a meeting with popular crowd.

It's not how it works here, and again a lot of people are complaining against these restrictive laws, lot of vaccinated people too. Not everyone shits on unvaccinated people in France. And again medical secret, as i said not any employer can ask for your health or vaccinal status, except few exceptions like health professionals, police firemen etc... but in overall population it's not and will never be

so i had to read all of this so you can say you support anti-vaxxer? let me give you a medical secret; in the US at age 3-4 preschool you better have your vaxx papers in order or your going to be stuck with your kid all day, every day until you get those papers..let that sink in.

 

[DurumGallico]

I’m sorry to hear that, I’m fucking sick of these talentless creeps like Macron running countries, but the opposition is bat shit crazy.

There's a few ones that would do the job but they will never be elected. All we have for 20 years are pro-ue centrists with soft left/right tendency, but the thing is it's not working. But yes no serious opposition so they do what they want. They also gain benefit of massive non voting.

 

[DurumGallico]

so i had to read all of this so you can say you support anti-vaxxer? let me give you a medical secret; in the US at age 3-4 preschool you better have your vaxx papers in order or your going to be stuck with your kid all day, every day until you get those papers..let that sink in.

So you didn't get my points apparently, never defended anti-vaxxer.
Got vaccinated too when i was younger, against real serious diseases like tetanos or polio, not 0.000000000001% lethality covid.

 

[schuylaar]

So you didn't get my points apparently, never defended anti-vaxxer.
Got vaccinated too when i was younger, against real serious diseases like tetanos or polio, not 0.000000000001% lethality covid.

well, we have 900k dead; so what does X equal?

 

[DurumGallico]

well, we have 900k dead; so what does X equal?

of course, was exagerating the rate on purpose, you got what i meant.

 

[schuylaar]

of course, was exagerating the rate on purpose, you got what i meant.

almost 1M dead; no exaggeration*.