Can’t yield more than 2 zips a plant

[MickFoster]

If I had anywhere over 50+ Lux my plants for sure would fry. I was down around 40k for flower 25k veg

The sun is 90k.........just saying.

 

[Killaki]

Hi

I am after some advice. I am struggling to yield more than 2 zip a plant. I am on my 5th run now and so far averaging 1.5zip a plant. My set up is as follows

-veg for 8 weeks under 250MH
-Flower under 250w hps dual spec
-Carry out low stress training during veg to flatten canopy
-Growing in coco coir. 16 litre fabric pot
-Feeding general hydroponics and vita link calmag. Rhizotonic in early stages to help roots. Did use Advance Nute big bud on one of grows and didn’t see that much difference.
- temps and humidity are where they should be in veg and flower.
- I have an oscillating fan and a 4 inch fox exhaust fan and filter
- Running with Barneys Farm Blue cheese at the moment.
- not suffering any burns from what I can see.

Can anyone think of anything I am missing? I am hearing of people achieving 5zips of dried bud a plant. My plants look healthy and produce some nice tasting bud, but just not a lot. Is 2 zips of dried bud a plant all I can hope to achieve?

Any input would be appreciated

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I'd need to see a step by step layout of your training and progress/growth. Pictures are great. Sounds like something is not right to me, maybe slow/stunted growth. I average 1.5-2 zips but my spaces are micro so I keep my plants small on purpose.
If you have a large space and you're not filling it, you're not maximizing your yields. An 8 week veg with good growth should be fairly huge.

 

[Markshomegrown]

40k Lux for me is 660umol. mine get deficiencies if I try to go over. I am forced to run high 70’s though heat wise.

On the www.waveformlighting.com, 40k works out at 518umol, good to know your buds look healthy at this range.
may try this at some stage.

 

[PopAndSonGrows]

yes the phoeno can be different but it's always down to how you train the plants in veg and early flower, you can keep all plants the same Hight in mid flower.

In my pic, you can see plants were trained similarly but the short one would never reach as high. I had to put it on a bucket to level it.

 

[Horselover fat]

The sun is 90k.........just saying.

In some places and not the whole day.

 

[Markshomegrown]

The sun is 90k.........just saying.

Outside plants do protect themselves from extra light but this uses more food and water, do you think plants get direct light(90k) 12hours a day for the 60 days you flower them off?
overcast days, clouds, wind, rain, shade from other plants, etc, sunrise and sunset, how much light do you think the plants really get?

 

[Markshomegrown]

In my pic, you can see plants were trained similarly but the short one would never reach as high. I had to put it on a bucket to level it.

You keep chopping it back in veg and lift the small plant above the faster-growing plant, the tall plant may become a lot wider but there is no reason it would become taller.

 

[MickFoster]

In some places and not the whole day.

Have you ever been in Florida in July?

 

[LeastExpectedGrower]

Everyone asking all these extra questions like the answer isn’t in the first sentence of ops question. It’s light, that’s it dude needs more light all the training and playing with fertilizer ratios in the world isn’t gonna increase what you can pull off a 250w hps they’re super inefficient, .5gpw is about the most you can expect from them and that’s if you’re doing good(which it sounds like op is doing)

I was gonna say... depending on the light, pretty typical to be getting in the range of ~1g per watt. So you're doing pretty average with what you have for lighting.

 

[Killaki]

Have you ever been in Florida in July?

You mean in monsoon season?

 

[MickFoster]

You mean in monsoon season?

I said Florida........not SE Asia.

 

[Killaki]

I said Florida........not SE Asia.

But July is one of the most precipitous months in Florida. Am I missing something?

 

[Horselover fat]

Have you ever been in Florida in July?

Nope, but apparently florida gets 40-45 dli in july.

 

[MickFoster]

But July is one of the most precipitous months in Florida. Am I missing something?

Summer is the rainy season usually.........but they are fast moving summer storms late in the afternoon that only last a short time.
The rest of the day it's hot and sunny as shit.

 

[Killaki]

Summer is the rainy season usually.........but they are fast moving summer storms late in the afternoon that only last a short time.
The rest of the day it's hot and sunny as shit.

I have never been but my brother and other family live/lived there. All I know is when it rains I can't hardly even talk to my brother on the phone because the signal goes to shit. He said it's the rain and by the frequency it seems to happen I assumed at least at times it's really rainy. He said it's humid rain or shine so there's that.

 

[Killaki]

Although now that I think about it and I have a friend that lives on the other side of the state and he made it seem like the weather was a little different.

 

[MickFoster]

I have never been but my brother and other family live/lived there. All I know is when it rains I can't hardly even talk to my brother on the phone because the signal goes to shit. He said it's the rain and by the frequency it seems to happen I assumed at least at times it's really rainy. He said it's humid rain or shine so there's that.

That's the reason growing outdoors in FL is a bad idea.........humidity.
I was merely making a statement about the lux reading of the sun.

 

[MickFoster]

Although now that I think about it and I have a friend that lives on the other side of the state and he made it seem like the weather was a little different.

The summer storms come through different parts of the state at different times............where I live, it's around 5:00 PM most days.
And it doesn't rain everyday..........we can go weeks without rain.

 

[Herb & Suds]

The summer storms come through different parts of the state at different times............where I live, it's around 5:00 PM most days.
And it doesn't rain everyday..........we can go weeks without rain.

The rains only come when I’m on vacation

 

[Gemtree]

The summer storms come through different parts of the state at different times............where I live, it's around 5:00 PM most days.
And it doesn't rain everyday..........we can go weeks without rain.

I lived in pompano beach as a kid and remember it would be raining in the back yard and sunny in the front lol. Sucks we moved to Michigan lived 5 blocks from the ocean