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ANC

ANC

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the U.S is not directly involved in this...this is a NATO issue..Biden volunteered to negotiate and macronroni had to jump in the spot light and play to putin's hand...so....
If NATO doesn't put more troops on the ground IF Russia invades Ukraine (and not the Separatists states) then its a green light to China to move in on Taiwan.
there, fixed that for you...
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Was just saying to my wife, all we need now is for China to posture in the disputed maritime area to call the USA's bluff and we have big shit.
 
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mooray

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Fogdog said:
Society's moral codes are a distillation of many learning experiences and people who follow them avoid mistakes others made in the past. Moral codes enable others to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past. As a person who makes a living carrying out experiments that often test conventional wisdom, careful study and understanding of the basis of that belief saves the cost of carrying out an empirical study on the subject to test it. Society benefits when people follow moral codes that are based upon good reason and the experience of others. Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not bear false witness, for example. It's completely reasonable to question those codes. If one stops and thinks on the subject, it's not hard to figure out why they exist.

You are rejecting the statement by a government body made up of people who probably know more than you do on the subject. You did so due to your own belief that economic decisions should not be based upon morality. Isn't that simply following your personal moral code?

I'm not saying your are wrong or right, I'm saying your logic is muddled. Rejecting that paragraph because "economy" does not belong in a "moral argument" fails to convince because you brought no facts. Just your own bias against moral arguments.
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I'm not rejecting it at all. The overall message is strong. It was just a minor critique. I don't really like how money has become a reference for what's right or wrong. I said something critical about Musk in the Tesla thread and someone's reply was, "well I'm pretty sure he has more money than you, so...". Then again there was that guy that was arguing with someone here and he wanted to compare bank accounts, as if that's somehow the creator of truth. I think that mentality is connected to the demise of society, particularly in the US, so I'm a bit sensitive to it when I see it.

You could certainly argue that it's projection, since I think the main selling point in gathering sympathy for Ukraine is the people and I also think that most people do too, or at least they should, and not so much about economics, but I'm sure there are many out there that care more about the situation from an economic perspective, even though I think it's a little bit of a shitty point of focus.

And, I'd hate to think that's what's happens as knowledge increases, one cares more about economics than people. That doesn't seem to come through in writings from the greats of history. Perhaps with knowledge of certain unfortunate realities comes a degree of being jaded. If that were the case, then I think I'd prefer to stay parked in naïve idealism.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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mooray said:
I'm not rejecting it at all. The overall message is strong. It was just a minor critique. I don't really like how money has become a reference for what's right or wrong. I said something critical about Musk in the Tesla thread and someone's reply was, "well I'm pretty sure he has more money than you, so...". Then again there was that guy that was arguing with someone here and he wanted to compare bank accounts, as if that's somehow the creator of truth. I think that mentality is connected to the demise of society, particularly in the US, so I'm a bit sensitive to it when I see it.

You could certainly argue that it's projection, since I think the main selling point in gathering sympathy for Ukraine is the people and I also think that most people do too, or at least they should, and not so much about economics, but I'm sure there are many out there that care more about the situation from an economic perspective, even though I think it's a little bit of a shitty point of focus.

And, I'd hate to think that's what's happens as knowledge increases, one cares more about economics than people. That doesn't seem to come through in writings from the greats of history. Perhaps with knowledge of certain unfortunate realities comes a degree of being jaded. If that were the case, then I think I'd prefer to stay parked in naïve idealism.
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My post suggests how to state that there are economic rights without mentioning money.
 
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printer

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Taiwan Warns Chinese Aircraft in Its Air Defense Zone
Taiwan's air force scrambled again on Thursday to warn away nine Chinese aircraft that entered its air defense zone, Taiwan's defense ministry said, on the same day that Russia invaded Ukraine, a crisis being watched closely in Taipei.

Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, has complained of regular such missions by the Chinese air force over the last two years, though the aircraft do not get close to Taiwan itself.

The number of aircraft involved was well off the last large-scale incursion, 39 Chinese aircraft on Jan. 23, and since then, such fly-bys have been sporadic with far fewer aircraft.

The ministry said the latest mission involved eight Chinese J-16 fighters and one Y-8 reconnaissance aircraft, which flew over an area to the northeast of the Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands at the top end of the South China Sea.

Taiwanese fighters were sent up to warn the Chinese aircraft and air defense missiles were deployed to "monitor the activities," the ministry said, using standard wording for how Taiwan describes its response.

Taiwan has been warily watching the Ukraine crisis, nervous that China may try to take advantage to move on the island.

While Taipei has not reported any unusual movements by Chinese forces, the government has increased its alert level.

China has never renounced the use of force to bring Taiwan under its control, and routinely condemns U.S. arms sales or other shows of support from Washington.

Speaking in Beijing earlier on Thursday when asked about the new U.S. Indo-Pacific strategy, Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Tan Kefei reiterated that Taiwan was a "core issue" of China's and it would tolerate no foreign interference.

"We urge the U.S. side to recognize the high sensitivity of the Taiwan issue, stop interfering in China's internal affairs and stop playing with fire on the Taiwan issue," Tan said.
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Taiwan Warns Chinese Aircraft in Its Air Defense Zone

Taiwan's air force scrambled again on Thursday to warn away nine Chinese aircraft that entered its air defense zone, Taiwan's defense ministry said, on the same day that Russia invaded Ukraine, a crisis being watched closely in Taipei. Taiwan, which China claims as its own...
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captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Ukraine’s ambassador to the US just told us that a Russian platoon from the 74th Motorized Brigade has surrendered to Ukraine’s forces. She says that the Russian troops apparently had been unaware they were being sent to kill Ukrainians. No confirmation yet from Russia’s military
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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mooray said:
I'm not rejecting it at all. The overall message is strong. It was just a minor critique. I don't really like how money has become a reference for what's right or wrong. I said something critical about Musk in the Tesla thread and someone's reply was, "well I'm pretty sure he has more money than you, so...". Then again there was that guy that was arguing with someone here and he wanted to compare bank accounts, as if that's somehow the creator of truth. I think that mentality is connected to the demise of society, particularly in the US, so I'm a bit sensitive to it when I see it.

You could certainly argue that it's projection, since I think the main selling point in gathering sympathy for Ukraine is the people and I also think that most people do too, or at least they should, and not so much about economics, but I'm sure there are many out there that care more about the situation from an economic perspective, even though I think it's a little bit of a shitty point of focus.

And, I'd hate to think that's what's happens as knowledge increases, one cares more about economics than people. That doesn't seem to come through in writings from the greats of history. Perhaps with knowledge of certain unfortunate realities comes a degree of being jaded. If that were the case, then I think I'd prefer to stay parked in naïve idealism.
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in a fucked up way, caring about economics is caring for people...they both need stability, good trading partners, industry....whats good for the wallet is good for the people
war time profiteering can bring huge profits, but only for a very limited time, a capitalist with any kind of foresight at all knows that long term returns are better than short term profits...the reason those short term profits are huge is that they burn huge swaths of your industry and workers to be produced
 
Jamie0715

Jamie0715

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Mr_X said:
yeah. i popped a pimple on my nose, and it started bleeding so i had to put ointment on it, then i went to go smoke weed.
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i hope you grow big beefy rock hard nugs like you do biceps... maybe you should let ukraine borrow some of those guns
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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captainmorgan said:
Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with kyiv, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov. In exchange Ukraine would: a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory. Per RT.
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putin "guaranteed" he wouldn't invade...till he decided to invade...you have to treat putin the same way you treat trump...every fucking word out of his mouth is a lie, until confirmed by at least three independent sources.
 
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