Why do Republicans suck?

Roger A. Shrubber

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You aren't very good at comprehending are you? I said the system is trash. Trash can be cleaned up. BUT not by using party affiliations. Only good people. Dem does not equal good people just like being gop doesn't make you a good person.

"Going to church doesn't make you a good person, just like smoking marijuana doesn't make you a bad person."
the government isn't debris laying in your yard...they're in place..they have the military and the national guard, and state police, and local police...how exactly do you propose "cleaning them up"....you speak like you're proposing something like a weekend project.
you're talking about deposing a legitimate government because it doesn't do what you want it to do...is you're last name putin?
we're trying to take out the trash in the only way we can, without getting weapons involved.
we're voting for the best choices we're given, we're (some of us, at least) doing our research and seeing who it is we're voting for.
you have a lot of suggestions, but can you name your congress person? can you name the senator that represents your district? do you know how either of them voted on recent important issues? I can, and i know how they voted on anything of significance...i don't like either one, i voted against both of them, and will continue to do so until a better choice comes along. my only other choice is to shoot them both, and that kind of complicates voting in the next election
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Most everyone here is arguing to say they know which party is their "savoir" #TheGoodGuy

I'm simply saying the party affiliation is a dupe & the system needs to be fixed by some way OTHER THAN PARTY AFFILIATION.

You all have got to be some of the most senile, grumpy delusional cusses I have come across.

You all just sit in here and argue/bitch all the time and are telling me that I'm not helping figure shit out. Roflmao

You are so blind you can't see your own hypocrisy. Too much MEDIA in your ANUS and you all LOVE IT. ❤
no one is calling anyone a savior but you...i'm saying on side is clearly a better choice than the other, that deifies no one, although if you want to demonize the republicans, i won't stop you...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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And to those of you swinging the "insert party here" are the good guy theory, you have been duped by propaganda. I see people flip from party all the time. They are only WHO they are, not which PARTY they are. I can make and break promises too. That doesn't make me a good candidate...or does it!?

Vote out the trash. If you cannot vote out the trash, throw out the trash & reassemble system.
why are you assuming i'm too stupid to see what's apparent to you? i know they're throwing propaganda at me, and i know what kind of propaganda it is. i do my best to adjust my views to account for it...i find it insulting you think i'm an ignorant fool, without even asking me the simplest questions about what i think, or why i think it...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I'd rather give a good person a solid chance. That will NEVER HAPPEN with the people in office to date on any side with the system the way it is.
that's completely and totally wrong, you have no fucking idea who 90+ % of those people are, and you make blanket statements about them with total certainty...sounds like you're the one who is buying into propaganda, and making decisions in ignorance
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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We are in the position we are because the system is failing us or we are failing the system. Which one do you beleive?
both...people always demand their "rights" but ignore the responsibilities that come with those right, like knowing who you're voting for, and what they believe...the single most important civic right a person has is voting responsibly, and almost everyone ignores the civic responsibility to have at least a basic understanding of the issues you're making choices about...all it takes is a few minutes a few times a week, but people would rather look at fucking idiots on tiktok or watch a game
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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People basing their vote on emotion is where we fail. This is why I don’t vote.
vote, you fucking gomer...look into who is running, look into what they believe...vote for the best person running, eventually, we'll vote the pieces of shit out
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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WOW, the emotional antagonizing responses from so many of you shows me what I need to see. Stuffing words in my mouth this entire time. You all need to smoke your weed, have some chips n dip.

Roger believes he votes the way he does because he "HATES" gop. So in your example he is the problem.

I don't believe THE PEOPLE, in the general sense, are the issue. It is conflate egotiscal evil assholes who can not be removed from their positions. They are even protected by law. But Gop this and DEM that is all emotional responses.

Tell me how you are different and what you plan to do to fight corrupt politicians in BOTH parties.
the gop is a political entity, i don't hate it, i hate what it's members have come to represent...and even now, there are some republicans who are decent people. i don't agree with a lot of their political stances, but they aren't incredible morons who espouse racism, misogyny, homophobia...people like Liz Cheney and Kinzinger, who are trying to uncover the truth, because they care about the country and it's people...i have some disagreements on how they want us to get there, but at least they aren't trying to destroy democracy, as the rest of the republican party seems to be
 

Mr_X

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vote, you fucking gomer...look into who is running, look into what they believe...vote for the best person running, eventually, we'll vote the pieces of shit out
even if those pieces of shit are out, i'll still be surrounded by pieces of shit. i was about to vote in the election, then i heard two old women talking about the coronavirus and one of them said, "it will be over before the election". i didn't believe what the media said, until i heard it myself irl. that's why i don't vote. one time during a car ride with my boss and another coworker we had a political discussion and i asked him, "do you know who our senators are?". he hesitated and said something like, "look. if i find a democrat i like, ill vote for them". my other coworker responded to himself about high taxes, even though his income doesn't fit the rich tax bracket, and probably doesn't know what tax bracket he is in, and also didn't know who our senators are. i didn't only give up on our voting system, i gave up on humanity. that's why i don't wear a mask. high risk, obese, old, or have kids? idgaf.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i've never held a real gun before, but i do fantasize about the powerful euphoric feeling it will give me.
i shoot regularly, there's no euphoria, no sense of empowerment...it's a tool, and a toy...it's fun to try to get better, more accurate...but euphoria? not even close.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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even if those pieces of shit are out, i'll still be surrounded by pieces of shit. i was about to vote in the election, then i heard two old women talking about the coronavirus and one of them said, "it will be over before the election". i didn't believe what the media said, until i heard it myself irl. that's why i don't vote. one time during a car ride with my boss and another coworker we had a political discussion and i asked him, "do you know who our senators are?". he hesitated and said something like, "look. if i find a democrat i like, ill vote for them". my other coworker responded to himself about high taxes, even though his income doesn't fit the rich tax bracket, and probably doesn't know what tax bracket he is in, and also didn't know who our senators are. i didn't only give up on our voting system, i gave up on humanity. that's why i don't wear a mask. high risk, obese, old, or have kids? idgaf.
yeah, ignore it, it'll go away...right after it eats your children, rapes your wife, and cuts your head off
 

Mr_X

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my dad works for the post office, and tells me these stories and how idiotic people are. some of the customers don't even know how to fill a send and return address on an envelope, don't know how to write a check, or don't know how to tape a box together. idiots are putting these politicians in power, and i refuse to be part of it.
 

jkahndb0

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Republicans suck and Democrats suck


What do you think about mandatory voting? Like they have in Australia.

(and so called "Progressives" fucking suck)
 

Bagginski

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You tricking people into thinking that parties that belong to the same SINGLE government are "our saviors" are the naive ones.
The ONLY savoirs in all of this is the PEOPLE.

You all make me laugh. Good day.
Well. THAT was pleasant.

I love it when strangers deign to tell me I’m ignorant and propagandized because they know THE TRUTH even if I’m too gulled to see it.

Then again, I’ve only spent the last 50 years keeping up with it all, so I’m sure I must have missed *ALL* the important stuff. Drive-by POV correction is such a wonderful innovation, innit? I’d consider returning the favor, but he’s gone now.
 

Bagginski

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And to those of you swinging the "insert party here" are the good guy theory, you have been duped by propaganda. I see people flip from party all the time. They are only WHO they are, not which PARTY they are. I can make and break promises too. That doesn't make me a good candidate...or does it!?

Vote out the trash. If you cannot vote out the trash, throw out the trash & reassemble system.
I feel like your heart and your passion are coming from good places; your absolute ‘A=B=C’ judgment does NOT show insight (sorry) but I share your frustration.

I had a hard time making sense of it as well; it wasn’t until I realized that there *is* in fact one significant difference between the two dominant parties, that I began to really SEE the difference in action.

The difference is in how each handles the public record. Since you (seem to?) think/feel/etc that ALL NEWS is propaganda in fact, I ask you to consider the public record with me for a minute.

“The public record” is a bit abstract, but think of it as the timeline of everything that happens - that is, everything we *know* has happened. It contains, represents, relates actual things, choices, judgments, arrest, births, speeches, election results, weather, movement of armies, deaths, divorces, marriages, and it just goes on.

The core of the public record is just that: records. Who said what, who was in the room, what was done by (some of) those people next; who was killed, who was captured, who was arrested, and for what. Every legal transaction involving money, partnership, ownership, judgements, penalties, inheritance; without an actual, checkable, confirmable record of such things, the world would be overlapping mosh-pits of confrontation, intimidation, and general injury.

Whether or not something is news or fake news, is provable or not, depends on that record: if stories ignore the record of what happened (or there is no record), if their , or insist there’s “a conspiracy” or several to edit that record, or attempt to wave the record itself away with both-sides-ism (the typical tactic), then those stories are SUSPECT - even if they strike you as likely - and THAT is where research begins: establishing a basis in fact for the story you’re investigating, or determining that there is no factual basis in the record for that story.

Ultimately, everything else is someone’s opinion, that’s why we KEEP a record - and why reporters/journalists/“the media” seek to make the public (that’s us) aware of things actually happening.

ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

“Both parties are just the same, they’re all crooks, let’em all hang” is a vote-suppression strategy - and a damned effective one, as it leaps from recognition of issues straight to hopelessness and cynicism; because “both parties are the same” there’s no way out, no way to fix it - and therefore no reason to believe, or do, ANYTHING. This is a PARTICIPATORY system - it ONLY works right when citizens pay enough attention to sort out who from what - and smart enough / well-educated enough to be actually able to do that.

“Throw them all out” sounds great, but if you spend sometime thinking it through, you’ll realize here are fatal flaws to it: to start with just one, you and who else? It’s going to take A LOT OF PEOPLE to remove all those folks from their jobs, and *keep* them from this jobs while others are selected to fill them.

BUT…if we “throw out the system”, how are we going to select those replacement WITHOUT IT BEING FORCED BY THE MOST NUMEROUS / MOST VIOLENT FACTION? How do you know what *they* want? WHO ARE THEY? If you decide they need to be stopped from taking power, HOW WILL YOU DO THAT?

These questions NEED answers that go beyond force of arms & alpha monkeys. If you’re trying to make things better, that’s *got* to be your floor, right? Things need to get better, right? Not just for you and me, right? So, at the very least, you need to know who NOT to give those jobs to - so you have to combine your best judgment with the others around / involved, so you can know what you’re going to do and how.

So now, you’re trying to build a government. In a church or gymnasium. Filled with loud people vehemently disagreeing. About shit that will BREAK your efforts *and the future* if y’all choose wrong.

Lots wrong with both parties, that’s a fact. There’s only ONE that’s trying to break as much as possible as fast as possible - and THEY aren’t on the side of voters. They’re loyal to the ones who pay them, get them into office, and keep them there. The other party has only recently realized that they’ve fallen for a 150-year long con, and they’re still dazed. And only one of them is actually trying to run the country instead of stripping it for parts and selling them/it/us to the highest bidder.

This has been brought to you by “civics”, by “discernment”, and by “differentiation” - with a hat tip to taxonomy

PS: felt I should add my basic principle for researching such things: “don’t ask Hitler about the Jews”. Read (widely) enough to understand the timeline of the events you’re tracking, THEN listen to opinions. You need your own grasp of reality, that’s what the timeline is for, what it’s about, or else your brain will write a fantasy about what all those opinions would have to mean. Whatever side you incline toward, make sure you really understand what each side is saying happened vs what actually happened, and how they get from there to what they want to do.

There’s a corollary to this: “by their fruits shall ye know them”.
People can and do say any fucking thing that comes into their heads - too often with a flash of heat, or burst of ice, but not much thought. Record what they say, but WATCH WHAT THEY DO, then judge what they say about it.
 
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Offmymeds

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I feel like your heart and your passion are coming from good places; your absolute ‘A=B=C’ judgment does NOT show insight (sorry) but I share your frustration.

I had a hard time making sense of it as well; it wasn’t until I realized that there *is* in fact one significant difference between the two dominant parties, that I began to really SEE the difference in action.

The difference is in how each handles the public record. Since you (seem to?) think/feel/etc that ALL NEWS is propaganda in fact, I ask you to consider the public record with me for a minute.

“The public record” is a bit abstract, but think of it as the timeline of everything that happens - that is, everything we *know* has happened. It contains, represents, relates actual things, choices, judgments, arrest, births, speeches, election results, weather, movement of armies, deaths, divorces, marriages, and it just goes on.

The core of the public record is just that: records. Who said what, who was in the room, what was done by (some of) those people next; who was killed, who was captured, who was arrested, and for what. Every legal transaction involving money, partnership, ownership, judgements, penalties, inheritance; without an actual, checkable, confirmable record of such things, the world would be overlapping mosh-pits of confrontation, intimidation, and general injury.

Whether or not something is news or fake news, is provable or not, depends on that record: if stories ignore the record of what happened, or insist there’s “a conspiracy” or several to edit that record, or attempt to wave the record itself away with both-sides-ism (the typical tactic), then those stories are SUSPECT - even if they strike you as likely - and THAT is where research begins: establishing a basis in fact for the story you’re investigating, or determining that there is no factual basis in the record for that story.

“Both parties are just the same, they’re all crooks, let’em all hang” is a vote-suppression strategy - and a damned effective one, as it leaps from recognition of issues straight to hopelessness and cynicism; because “both parties are the same” there’s no way out, no way to fix it - and therefore no reason to believe, or do, ANYTHING. This is a PARTICIPATORY system - it ONLY works right when citizens pay enough attention to sort out who from what - and smart enough / well-educated enough to be actually able to do that.

“Throw them all out” sounds great, but if you spend sometime thinking it through, you’ll realize here are fatal flaws to it: to start with just one, you and who else? It’s going to take A LOT OF PEOPLE to remove all those folks from their jobs, and *keep* them from this jobs while others are selected to fill them.

BUT…if we “throw out the system”, how are we going to select those replacement WITHOUT IT BEING FORCED BY THE MOST NUMEROUS / MOST VIOLENT FACTION? How do you know what *they* want? WHO ARE THEY? If you decide they need to be stopped from taking power, HOW WILL YOU DO THAT?

These questions NEED answers that go beyond force of arms & alpha monkeys. If you’re trying to make things better, that’s *got* to be your floor, right? Things need to get better, right? Not just for you and me, right? So, at the very least, you need to know who NOT to give those jobs to - so you have to combine your best judgment with the others around / involved, so you can know what you’re going to do and how.

So now, you’re trying to build a government. In a church or gymnasium. Filled with loud people vehemently disagreeing. About shit that will BREAK your efforts *and the future* if y’all choose wrong.

Lots wrong with both parties, that’s a fact. There’s only ONE that’s trying to break as much as possible as fast as possible - and THEY aren’t on the side of voters. They’re loyal to the ones who pay them, get them into office, and keep them there. The other party has only recently realized that they’ve fallen for a 150-year long con, and they’re still dazed. And only one of them is actually trying to run the country instead of stripping it for parts and selling them/it/us to the highest bidder.

This has been brought to you by “civics”, by “discernment”, and by “differentiation” - with a hat tip to taxonomy
"Corruptrible" by Brian Klaas explores the system of power and how we're putting the wrong people in power.
Fiona HIll's "There's Nothing For You Here" is also an excellent read.
 

Bagginski

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Thanks for the references!

We have so far failed to make any real progress in the direction of not putting self-serving assholes in charge of important things. We clearly can’t connect the fact that we keep putting these same sorts of people in positions of responsibility together with the fact that we keep regretting it - and doing it again they keep blowing up. Talk about perseveration….

Over the last 2000 years, we’ve learned that *real* leaders are assholes, and that’s WHY they get things done. We’ve learned it way too well - so well that we instinctively decide, “well, HE wasn’t the asshole we needed, obviously”…and go looking for that mythical better asshole.

That might actually be the biggest problem we’ve got as a planet
 

Bagginski

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Most everyone here is arguing to say they know which party is their "savoir" #TheGoodGuy

I'm simply saying the party affiliation is a dupe & the system needs to be fixed by some way OTHER THAN PARTY AFFILIATION.

You all have got to be some of the most senile, grumpy delusional cusses I have come across.

You all just sit in here and argue/bitch all the time and are telling me that I'm not helping figure shit out. Roflmao

You are so blind you can't see your own hypocrisy. Too much MEDIA in your ANUS and you all LOVE IT. ❤
Nah - you made all that up, or someone else made it up for you.

I haven’t taken a poll, but I’d be willing to bet that NO ONE HERE believes that the Democratic Party will save themselves, much less the rest of us. I wouldn’t make that same bet about GOP/MAGA & the anti-‘woke’ Illuminati here: I can probably find a dozen posts/comments HERE that express confidence that THEY will be saved from all they dislike if 45 repacks the government with the best people, like last time - by hook or by crook, fair or foul.

Being called blind by one who apparently can only see their own opinion…priceless. If you don’t know, you should know: you’re coming off *just* like a troll, so maybe you could breathe into a paper bag for a minute or something
 
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