Black ash PLEASE HELP

[Billy the Mountain]

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You really don't have a clue.

 

[Scuzzman]

cure properly and use a hot flame source- alot of bro science out there when comes to this black ash rubbish in my view- its all down to the dry/cure and heat source- anything wet- cured wrong- will not burn clean.... simple really

 

[Bucsfan80]

Hydro don't have nothing to do with it, unless maybe high ppm feeding. I don't think you would be able to tell if my smoke was soil or hydro grown. I can take a huge bong rip and it's so smooth I don't cough. Smells so good Tates so good

 

[Nice-guy-eddy]

What's crazy about it?

I dont know I guess my thought process is that if I overfeed and my leaves are really dark and lots of vegetation due to high contents of nitrogen during flower I would think that the over abundance of nutrients would alter the taste incredibly. But at the same token I can see where the chlorophyll not being broken down completely can alter the taste as well. But I'm drying for 10 to 14 days. I would think that's plenty of time for chlorophyll to be broken down.

 

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[Lordhooha]

I dont know I guess my thought process is that if I overfeed and my leaves are really dark and lots of vegetation due to high contents of nitrogen during flower I would think that the over abundance of nutrients would alter the taste incredibly. But at the same token I can see where the chlorophyll not being broken down completely can alter the taste as well. But I'm drying for 10 to 14 days. I would think that's plenty of time for chlorophyll to be broken down.

That the min it can take longer. I have a feeling it was really Dry or done in a controlled manner. I’m still wait to see how you dried and the area. What you used to control said environment and was it consistent 24/7.

 

[Nice-guy-eddy]

That the min it can take longer. I have a feeling it was really Dry or done in a controlled manner. I’m still wait to see how you dried and the area. What you used to control said environment and was it consistent 24/7.

So I usually dry trim and hang them in my flowering room with a humidifier, dehumidifier, and a fan not blowing directly on them. I'm averaging 55 to 60 percent humidity and a temp of average 60 degrees. Last time I think I jarred a little too early. But in the past my dying technique is pretty much dialed in

 

[Kassiopeija]

So when the chlorophyll breaks down the magnesia & nitrogen atoms just vanish?

 

[Kassiopeija]

cure properly and use a hot flame source- alot of bro science out there when comes to this black ash rubbish in my view- its all down to the dry/cure and heat source- anything wet- cured wrong- will not burn clean.... simple really

couldn't you just remove all the leaves from the buds?
since cannabis buds almost contain no chlorophyll (compared to leaves)
and what about all the other accumulated substances therein?

 

[Kassiopeija]

what about nitrite? that's a potentially harmfull substance...

 

[Lordhooha]

So when the chlorophyll breaks down the magnesia & nitrogen atoms just vanish?

It has nothing to do with nutrients. It’s the proper breakdown chlorophyll that’s key. What you’re saying is you wet trim and hang them got it. I starting to think either a: you jarred early and its a combo of chlorophyll and mold or b: just didn’t break the chlorophyll down enough/ properly.

let me ask you this other then black ash. Does it burn unevenly when it does stay lit and perhaps I missed it does it stay lit?

 

[Scuzzman]

@Kassiopeija refer signature dude

 

[Lordhooha]

couldn't you just remove all the leaves from the buds?
since cannabis buds almost contain no chlorophyll (compared to leaves)
and what about all the other accumulated substances therein?

It’s still chlorophyll and still needs x amount of time to breakdown. Don’t buds stay green? Other substances don’t affect it just as it doesn’t in other crops. When people say my hydro lettuce doesn’t taste like my soil lettuce it’s generally due to missing elements. Most growers in all industries overlook minerals that aren’t in a lot of nutrients they target for hydro or cannabis applications.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

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what about nitrite? that's a potentially harmfull substance...

Oh, well funktionweise. Goos faba. Goos faba.

 

[Lordhooha]

So when the chlorophyll breaks down the magnesia & nitrogen atoms just vanish?

I can load a plant up on nutrients right before I chop which I’ve done to prove a point but purposely targeted the amount of time I needed to dry. depending on the harvest size You can control the rate at which your crop dries. it’s why I preach about your drying environment so heavily. It’s why I don’t like freeze driers unless your freezing meat and such.

 

[Lordhooha]

Also note there’s one other underlying process going on and why we slow the roll so to speak on the dry. You want to slow the breakdown of sugars and starches found naturally in plants. That is the secondary conversion or breakdown process occurring as the chlorophyll does it part too. With these powers combined we can summon either capt planet or really tasty smooth smoking bud.

 

[Scuzzman]

interesting- I dry in paper bags in a cardboard boxs in a grow room 10-14 days - then into turkey(oven) bags to cure for 2-6 weeks works really well for me, still need to check things as may need to replace the odd paper bag due to moisture

 

[Nice-guy-eddy]

It has nothing to do with nutrients. It’s the proper breakdown chlorophyll that’s key. What you’re saying is you wet trim and hang them got it. I starting to think either a: you jarred early and its a combo of chlorophyll and mold or b: just didn’t break the chlorophyll down enough/ properly.

let me ask you this other then black ash. Does it burn unevenly when it does stay lit and perhaps I missed it does it stay lit?

No it will not stay lit and if when I ash like if I blow on the joint to get rid of the ash the whole cherry goes with it.

 

[Kassiopeija]

It has nothing to do with nutrients. It’s the proper breakdown chlorophyll that’s key

that's a contradiction. a chlorophyll-molecule has 1 Mg-atom at its center with 4 N-atoms surrounding it.
I could believe the N gases out after 'the cure', but Mg is too heavy to transition to a gassy aggregation state... it would have to be heated to 1150°C before it does that.
So it stays... as does the carbon...

But, thing is, I want actually to rule out chlorophyll... just pure buds, no leaves at all, not even sugar leaves...
what elements are all present?

Bugbee wrote in one recent study cannabis buds are "phosphor-accumulators". They just store phosphor in the tissue it doesnt serve any biological function there.
Also, excessive calcium is known to stone-out in tissue, there's been posts/clear images on ICMag on that.... from some BetaTestTeam (IIRC)

 

[Herb & Suds]

So I usually dry trim and hang them in my flowering room with a humidifier, dehumidifier, and a fan not blowing directly on them. I'm averaging 55 to 60 percent humidity and a temp of average 60 degrees. Last time I think I jarred a little too early. But in the past my dying technique is pretty much dialed in

Look a fan and a dehumidifier means your drying way quicker than you are letting on
I dry with a dehumidifier across the room and still have to make sure it doesn’t dry to quickly let alone an extra fan in the room
Quick dry can’t be fixed