Riot Seeds

thenotsoesoteric

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When Riot put out that video bragging about the house he was staying and bragging about narc'ing people out i crossed his name off my list of shit id ever run.

I can't support rats, regardless of what genetics they got.
I actually got that confused. It was that weasel from copy cat genetics that made a video bragging about narcing other gardeners/breeders out over beef. I forget that dudes name.

Still not a fan of Roit but a narc is worse for sure.
 

phong

Active Member
So why do you think he is as bad as it gets??
Also, if what you are saying is true than none should buy seeds from Dr Greenthumbs, Archive, Top Dawg,...... Because they are very similar in personality!
So do you not support or have bought seeds from these breeders?
Most of these kids dislike Riot because he has exposed all the people that have sold seeds for years based on lies and fake cuts. Everything in their seed collection and grown are, in reality, garbage.

Like most of us he isn't perfect, but a scammer liar, and rat he is not. Not suffering fools, such as clone hockers a/k/a pathogen super spreaders, is a must in the cannabis world.

Some Riot work for y'all...
Bluewrecker
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Antidote Man

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Most of these kids dislike Riot because he has exposed all the people that have sold seeds for years based on lies and fake cuts. Everything in their seed collection and grown are, in reality, garbage.

Like most of us he isn't perfect, but a scammer liar, and rat he is not. Not suffering fools, such as clone hockers a/k/a pathogen super spreaders, is a must in the cannabis world.

Some Riot work for y'all...
Bluewrecker
You're not ever going to negate my experience man. No amount of talking. I've said it before, he's the type to tape his children's Christmas presents to the ceiling just to tease them. He wont trade/sell his good genetics, he only makes crosses of them that are weak and useless in preserving the old-school stuff. He certainly brags. You have to sign up and be a VIP member of his site to even purchase his seeds. And worst of all, he will fish around for what you know and suck as much money as he can from you if you don't know what's going on. None of these thoughts I share are based off things I've read, or people i know bashing him. I don't know anyone in online (or offline) weed communities, from dead shows or cannabis cup gathering or whatever. I talked with the guy on the phone many years ago and saw what he was doing. Only recently have I heard his podcasts and his squeaky little voice and fast paced controlling the conversation to his own end.

I've had no experience with him scamming only price gouging and I do believe he has a lot of good cuts, but the way he goes about it is 'everyone is the competition' and is going to take his elite cuts and make seeds and sell them at a lower price and shouldn't be trusted.

Most of the seed companies/breeders I do business with are preserving old school stuff, not hoarding it and keeping it to themselves to sell over priced home made hybrids with catchy names.

I'll put it this way. I rarely write here, and have gone far enough out of my way to warn others. I've dealt with many, many seed breeders, banks, and collectors online over the years and have never had an experience like the one i did with Riot seeds...
 
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GWilliamsCannabis

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You're not ever going to negate my experience man. No amount of talking. I've said it before, he's the type to tape his children's Christmas presents to the ceiling just to tease them. He wont trade/sell his good genetics, he only makes crosses of them that are weak and useless in preserving the old-school stuff. He certainly brags. You have to sign up and be a VIP member of his site to even purchase his seeds. And worst of all, he will fish around for what you know and suck as much money as he can from you if you don't know what's going on. None of these thoughts I share are based off things I've read, or people i know bashing him. I don't know anyone in online (or offline) weed communities, from dead shows or cannabis cup gathering or whatever. I talked with the guy on the phone many years ago and saw what he was doing. Only recently have I heard his podcasts and his squeaky little voice and fast paced controlling the conversation to his own end.

I've had no experience with him scamming only price gouging and I do believe he has a lot of good cuts, but the way he goes about it is 'everyone is the competition' and is going to take his elite cuts and make seeds and sell them at a lower price and shouldn't be trusted.

Most of the seed companies/breeders I do business with are preserving old school stuff, not hoarding it and keeping it to themselves to sell over priced home made hybrids with catchy names.

I'll put it this way. I rarely write here, and have gone far enough out of my way to warn others. I've dealt with many, many seed breeders, banks, and collectors online over the years and have never had an experience like the one i did with Riot seeds...
Most breeders don't share their good cuts with the general public though, most make money by crossing those elite cuts to make strains that they sell seeds of....so what are you sour about??

I don't see the problem there.

People were bashing breeders for releasing S1s of popular strains, claiming its stealing work....

I've never even run riots gear, in fact only purchased 1 of his packs....and I can't wait to run it, Riotberry V4, blue bonnet x mother of all berries.
 

Antidote Man

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Most breeders don't share their good cuts with the general public though, most make money by crossing those elite cuts to make strains that they sell seeds of....so what are you sour about??

I don't see the problem there.

People were bashing breeders for releasing S1s of popular strains, claiming its stealing work....

I've never even run riots gear, in fact only purchased 1 of his packs....and I can't wait to run it, Riotberry V4, blue bonnet x mother of all berries.
Not sharing/preserving and selling rare stuff immediately puts him on my list of people not buy from. I agree some breeders do this but I could name many, many more that don't. Those are the people I deal with, for many reasons. I want rare, pure, genetics. Breeding them away into hybrids may be what's cool at the lunch table but If you think about it, what's weed going to be in 20, 50 years? Without making the pure stuff available it will disappear. A lot of it has if you know anything. I deal with growers that sell landraces, heirlooms, and pure elite cuts in seed form. Maybe just me..

Now lets get back to mr price gouging tape your presents to the ceiling Matt Riot... or, maybe not...
 

Herb & Suds

Well-Known Member
Most of these kids dislike Riot because he has exposed all the people that have sold seeds for years based on lies and fake cuts. Everything in their seed collection and grown are, in reality, garbage.

Like most of us he isn't perfect, but a scammer liar, and rat he is not. Not suffering fools, such as clone hockers a/k/a pathogen super spreaders, is a must in the cannabis world.

Some Riot work for y'all...
Bluewrecker
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WUT?
I tested for him over a decade ago
Pic stealing and getting cuts mixed up was his specialty
I’m no kid and really don’t care what he thinks
Dude burned too many bridges to get my respect back
Nothing worth trusting
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BTW
He was hawking blueberry then too
 
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Antidote Man

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Different people do business differently..

For instance.. drug dealers will lie to you that there stuff is best, bash their competition, sell you a well stuffed dime bag of crystal or crack, and keep the price low until your teeth fall out and you'll beg on the side of the highway and rape, murder and who knows what to keep your habit with lawyers and cops at the other end of it trying to squeeze from you as much as possible.

Good seed breeders will offer tried and tested strains of quality stuff at affordable prices with legit shipping, throwing in freebies, and be willing to make wrongs right again to ensure they have a good reputation.

"People were bashing breeders for releasing S1s of popular strains, claiming its stealing work...."

Everyone is stealing from someone then. P91 is a good example. Didn't Riot rip that off from someone then? That was a San Diego clone only passed around Poway since 91, i know because i had it. A great idea.. Somebody should make seeds and sell them online to preserve the genetics. But somebody did! Matt Riot.. but I see them nowhere and would guess if you contact him he wont sell them or he'll jack up the price to something ridiculous to see how much you'll pay. Same with SD Hog's Breath and Cat Piss. He's one of the few that has them and wont do the right thing and make s1s or whatever and sell them at a fair price...
 

GWilliamsCannabis

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Different people do business differently..

For instance.. drug dealers will lie to you that there stuff is best, bash their competition, sell you a well stuffed dime bag of crystal or crack, and keep the price low until your teeth fall out and you'll beg on the side of the highway and rape, murder and who knows what to keep your habit with lawyers and cops at the other end of it trying to squeeze from you as much as possible.

Good seed breeders will offer tried and tested strains of quality stuff at affordable prices with legit shipping, throwing in freebies, and be willing to make wrongs right again to ensure they have a good reputation.

"People were bashing breeders for releasing S1s of popular strains, claiming its stealing work...."

Everyone is stealing from someone then. P91 is a good example. Didn't Riot rip that off from someone then? That was a San Diego clone only passed around Poway since 91, i know because i had it. A great idea.. Somebody should make seeds and sell them online to preserve the genetics. But somebody did! Matt Riot.. but I see them nowhere and would guess if you contact him he wont sell them or he'll jack up the price to something ridiculous to see how much you'll pay. Same with SD Hog's Breath and Cat Piss. He's one of the few that has them and wont do the right thing and make s1s or whatever and sell them at a fair price...
That's why they sell crosses, you can find a pheno that represents the strain you're looking for....a lot of breeders wouldn't exist if they shared their cut with everybody....if it was THAT available, who would really want it??

Supply and demand my brother....why do you think nobody is really chasing GSC anymore?? It's because it was made too available....now you hardly see the original because it's easy as fuck to get if you want it......in a way that's great, but in a way, it's diminished it's value completely.

You don't see JJ from topdawg handing cuts of stardawg to everyone who buys his shit....because then nobody would buy his shit.

And how rare is it then when everyone has it??

That's why sour diesel and NYC piff aren't as special anymore - anyone can get them nearly anywhere.

Cuts are kept in small circles for a reason. Yes, the reason is mostly money and/or legacy.

You can preserve strains without giving them away to every and anybody.
 

Antidote Man

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I want to add.. I've purchased from probably 50-60 seedbanks and breeders. I don't want to be part of the problem.. so I'm posting this below of some of the businesses I found legit.. good rare genetics and fair prices. Also - I am at %100 mark for receiving what I ordered, never have I not received seeds that I've ordered. A few were sketchy but very few. Below are some of the best...

Fleur De Mal Seeds - Can find him on Strainly - Awesome rare old-school stuff for under $100 a pack
Socal Seed Vault/ Alter Ego - Also on Strainly - Most of the rare, old-school strains are 45$ or less
NukeHead Seeds - Heard bad things about them, never had a problem, old school stuff at affordable prices
LindaSeeds - large seed bank, you can find most European strains for the bottommost prices, pay by credit card, fast as hell shipping
SeedHeaven - Awesome heirloom and landrace strains for bottom level prices
Brothers Grimm - Legendary breeder of classic strains, good prices
BC Bud Depot - Great selection, fair prices
The Real Seed Company / Kwik Seeds - Best place for landraces at low prices
The Landrace Team - Another great selection of landraces, priced a bit higher but still competitive
AK Bean Brainz - Great, old school, rare strains that have been preserved and are for sale at a good price
Shoreline Genetix - Great deals on multiple pack purchases, good old school stuff
Colorado Sativas - This woman sells seeds @ 20 seeds for a $25 donation, rare sativas and landraces.

This is by no means a complete list...
 

Antidote Man

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That's why they sell crosses, you can find a pheno that represents the strain you're looking for....a lot of breeders wouldn't exist if they shared their cut with everybody....if it was THAT available, who would really want it??

Supply and demand my brother....why do you think nobody is really chasing GSC anymore?? It's because it was made too available....now you hardly see the original because it's easy as fuck to get if you want it......in a way that's great, but in a way, it's diminished it's value completely.

You don't see JJ from topdawg handing cuts of stardawg to everyone who buys his shit....because then nobody would buy his shit.

And how rare is it then when everyone has it??

That's why sour diesel and NYC piff aren't as special anymore - anyone can get them nearly anywhere.

Cuts are kept in small circles for a reason. Yes, the reason is mostly money and/or legacy.

You can preserve strains without giving them away to every and anybody.
From a complete customer standpoint, doing professional business, the people you're standing up for are likely people I wouldn't buy from. The guys above in my list that offer their stuff, plants that came to them, over many, many thousands of years, no matter who made the initial crosses, are those who are going to get my business. Having something that someone wants and others cant have is part of life. But if I want something, I'm still going to try and get it. And if its available, and affordable, from a decent source.. well god damn!

If its used as a method to tease, steal, trick, belittle, set up or shame me I'm going to hate the motherfucker that does it...
 
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Antidote Man

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I can't speak to anyone else's experiences but this IS the sewer/Walmart of forums so the the opinions shared carry little weight beyond this odd bubble of newbs that haven't sorted out the level of misinformation spread in this place.

I knew better...but I needed the reminder apparently.
I think this forum is fair. I certainly don't agree with everyone, but there's very little moderation, allowing people to be themselves.

I also think you're insinuating that I'm a newb or that I'm spreading misinformation and that my experience isn't valid for some reason as I'm not at the level of respect as holy seed breeders like Riot...

so how about say it like that..
 

Herb & Suds

Well-Known Member
I can't speak to anyone else's experiences but this IS the sewer/Walmart of forums so the the opinions shared carry little weight beyond this odd bubble of newbs that haven't sorted out the level of misinformation spread in this place.

I knew better...but I needed the reminder apparently.
Ya don’t say
Well I’m not gonna air all Matt’s dirty laundry what with the h issue he thinks is under control lol
But I suggest you head on back to the farm and I won’t comment on the private sites he slithered into
Or maybe you?
Any who
Tell Matt hello from Heath
And friends
Somehow I have a gut feeling he and his crew have a great deal to do with bad mouthing Strainly and clones in general
Wonder why ?
:roll:
 

UpstateRecGrower

Well-Known Member
I can't speak to anyone else's experiences but this IS the sewer/Walmart of forums so the the opinions shared carry little weight beyond this odd bubble of newbs that haven't sorted out the level of misinformation spread in this place.

I knew better...but I needed the reminder apparently.
Hard to take a member with 2 posts seriously, joined in 2010 and your only 2 posts are to defend a known crook? lol
 

phong

Active Member
Hard to take a member with 2 posts seriously, joined in 2010 and your only 2 posts are to defend a known crook? lol
This makes three too many...have fun spinning your wheels dreaming about entering a legal market in the most politically corrupt state in the country. Post counts here aren't something to celebrate or laud as an achievement.

Any educated or otherwise intelligent individual can see through the garbage on this site. I saw it immediately 2010, even with my last grow wrapping up in 1998 or so. I bugged out, which was clearly a good choice. I only stumbled in here because I was looking to see if a site was back up to buy seeds that fit my own personal tastes.

As I stated previously, I can only speak to my experiences, but the crap in this thread is the same regurgitated mudslinging that has been floating around for years with some new stupidity from people who are either illiterate or wilfully ignorant, a common problem on social media within a certain cross section of people.

It's been great to validate what I was able to quickly surmise over a decade ago.
 

Herb & Suds

Well-Known Member
This makes three too many...have fun spinning your wheels dreaming about entering a legal market in the most politically corrupt state in the country. Post counts here aren't something to celebrate or laud as an achievement.

Any educated or otherwise intelligent individual can see through the garbage on this site. I saw it immediately 2010, even with my last grow wrapping up in 1998 or so. I bugged out, which was clearly a good choice. I only stumbled in here because I was looking to see if a site was back up to buy seeds that fit my own personal tastes.

As I stated previously, I can only speak to my experiences, but the crap in this thread is the same regurgitated mudslinging that has been floating around for years with some new stupidity from people who are either illiterate or wilfully ignorant, a common problem on social media within a certain cross section of people.

It's been great to validate what I was able to quickly surmise over a decade ago.
You and god can forgive him
I won’t
 
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