Pelosi VS China

garybo

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"U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will visit Taiwan, despite threats from China, CNN is reporting.

The news network on Monday morning cited two unnamed sources, a senior government official from Taiwan and a U.S. official, that Pelosi plans to make a stop there with her delegation even though the Biden administration also has advised against it.

The official from Taiwan told CNN that Pelosi's plans call for her to stay in Taiwan overnight, but it's not clear when she would land in the country."

Go Nancy go, when this lady decides to "get'r done", its best to not get into her way. So goes Xi Jinping telling the 3rd most powerful person (3rd in line to be POTUS) in govt who she cannot visit. Today she both visits Taiwan and well as snubbing her nose at China. I wonder how Xi Jinping influence will fair out, both at home and overseas?

Stay tuned and we will find out.
 

bam0813

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When he said those who play with fire , he may have been talking about them as much as US
 

HGCC

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I wish we had better relations with China, oh well. Would like to see whoever go "hey China, let's squash that beef and build a moon base."

I'm going to back whoever makes the best/any pitch for doing some space stuff.

Back here is reality though, yeah she should go. Fuck em, it's a silly thing for China to get upset about. As a nation we should certainly be reasonable and understanding of others views, but sometimes their views suck.
 

hanimmal

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TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived in Taiwan on Tuesday night, becoming the highest-ranking American official to visit the self-ruled island that is claimed by China in 25 years.

Pelosi’s visit has triggered increased tensions between China and the United States. China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, to be annexed by force if necessary, and views visits by foreign government officials as recognition of the island’s sovereignty.

China had warned of “resolute and strong measures” if Pelosi went ahead with the trip. The Biden administration did not explicitly urge her to call it off, while seeking to assure Beijing it would not signal any change in U.S. policy on Taiwan.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was believed headed for Taiwan on Tuesday on a visit that could significantly escalate tensions with Beijing, which claims the self-ruled island as its own territory.

Pelosi is on an Asian tour this week that is being closely watched to see if she will defy China’s warnings against visiting the island republic, a close U.S. ally.

China has vowed to retaliate if Pelosi becomes the highest U.S. elected official to visit Taiwan in more than 25 years, but has given no details. Speculation has centered on threatening military exercises and possible incursions by Chinese planes and ships into areas under Taiwanese control.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Washington’s betrayal “on the Taiwan issue is bankrupting its national credibility.”

“Some American politicians are playing with fire on the issue of Taiwan,” Wang said in a statement. “This will definitely not have a good outcome ... the exposure of America’s bullying face again shows it as the world’s biggest saboteur of peace.”

A plane carrying Pelosi and her delegation left Malaysia on Tuesday after a brief stop that included a working lunch with Prime Minister Ismail Sabri Yaakob. Local media in Taiwan reported that Pelosi would arrive on Tuesday night. The United Daily News, Liberty Times and China Times — Taiwan’s three largest national newspapers — cited unidentified sources as saying she would spend the night in Taiwan.

Taiwan’s Foreign Ministry declined to comment. Premier Su Tseng-chang didn’t explicitly confirm Pelosi’s visit, but said Tuesday that “any foreign guests and friendly lawmakers” are “very much welcome.”

Barricades were erected outside the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Taipei where Pelosi was expected to stay amid heightened security. Two buildings in the capital lit up LED displays with words of welcome, including the iconic Taipei 101 building, which said “Welcome to Taiwan, Speaker Pelosi.”

China, which regards Taiwan as a renegade province to be annexed by force if necessary, has repeatedly warned of retaliation if Pelosi visits, saying its military will “never sit idly by.”

“The U.S. and Taiwan have colluded to make provocations first, and China has only been compelled to act out of self-defense,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters Tuesday in Beijing.

Hua said China has been in constant communication with the U.S. and made clear “how dangerous it would be if the visit actually happens.” Any countermeasures China take will be “justified and necessary” in the face of Washington’s “unscrupulous behavior,” she said.

Shortly before Pelosi was due to arrive, Chinese state media said Chinese SU-35 fighter jets were “crossing” the Taiwan Strait, the body of water that separates mainland China and Taiwan. It wasn’t immediately clear where they were headed or what they planned to do.

Unspecified hackers launched a cyberattack on the Taiwanese Presidential Office’s website, making it temporarily unavailable Tuesday evening. The Presidential Office said the website was restored shortly after the attack, which overwhelmed it with traffic.

“China thinks by launching a multi-domain pressure campaign against Taiwan, the people of Taiwan will be be intimidated. But they are wrong,” Wang Ting-yu, a legislator with the Democratic Progressive Party, said on Twitter in response to the attack.

China’s military threats have driven concerns of a new crisis in the 100-mile (140-kilometer) -wide Taiwan Strait that could roil global markets and supply chains.

The White House on Monday decried Beijing’s rhetoric, saying the U.S. has no interest in deepening tensions with China and “will not take the bait or engage in saber rattling.”

White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby underscored that the decision whether to visit Taiwan was ultimately Pelosi’s. He noted that members of Congress have routinely visited the island over the years.

Kirby said administration officials are concerned that Beijing could use the visit as an excuse to take provocative retaliatory steps, including military action such as firing missiles in the Taiwan Strait or around Taiwan, or flying sorties into the island’s airspace and carrying out large-scale naval exercises in the strait.

“Put simply, there is no reason for Beijing to turn a potential visit consistent with long-standing U.S. policy into some sort of crisis or use it as a pretext to increase aggressive military activity in or around the Taiwan Strait,” Kirby said.

U.S. officials have said the U.S. military would increase its movement of forces and assets in the Indo-Pacific region if Pelosi visits Taiwan. U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and its strike group were in the Philippine Sea on Monday, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.

The Reagan, the cruiser USS Antietam and the destroyer USS Higgins left Singapore after a port visit and moved north to their homeport in Japan. The carrier has an array of aircraft, including F/A-18 fighter jets and helicopters, on board as well as sophisticated radar systems and other weapons.

Taiwan and China split in 1949 after the Communists won a civil war on the mainland. The U.S. maintains informal relations and defense ties with Taiwan even as it recognizes Beijing as the government of China.

Beijing sees official American contact with Taiwan as encouragement to make the island’s decades-old de facto independence permanent, a step U.S. leaders say they don’t support. Pelosi, head of one of three branches of the U.S. government, would be the highest-ranking elected American official to visit Taiwan since then-Speaker Newt Gingrich in 1997.

The flight tracking site Flightradar24 said Pelosi’s aircraft, a U.S. Air Force Boeing C-40C, was the most tracked in the world on Tuesday evening with 300,000 viewers. The plane took a roundabout route, flying east over Indonesia rather than directly over the South China Sea.

Pelosi has used her position in the U.S. Congress as an emissary for the U.S. on the global stage. She has long challenged China on human rights, including in 2009 when she hand-delivered a letter to then-President Hu Jintao calling for the release of political prisoners. She had sought to visit Taiwan’s island democracy earlier this year before testing positive for COVID-19.

Pelosi kicked off her Asian tour in Singapore on Monday as her possible visit to Taiwan sparked jitters in the region.

Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong “highlighted the importance of stable U.S.-China relations for regional peace and security” during talks with Pelosi, the city-state’s Foreign Ministry said. This was echoed by Japanese Foreign Minister Yoshimasa Hayashi in Tokyo, who said stable ties between the two rival powers “are extremely important for the international community as well.”

The Philippines urged the U.S. and China to be “responsible actors” in the region. “It is important for the U.S. and China to ensure continuing communication to avoid any miscalculation and further escalation of tensions,” said Foreign Affairs spokesperson Teresita Daza.

China has been steadily ratcheting up diplomatic and military pressure on Taiwan. China cut off all contact with Taiwan’s government in 2016 after President Tsai Ing-wen refused to endorse its claim that the island and mainland together make up a single Chinese nation, with the Communist regime in Beijing being the sole legitimate government.

Pelosi is to travel to Japan and South Korea later this week.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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With a world food crises, I doubt they would sanction American food imports like they did with Trump's tariffs. They could give the Russians arms or manufacture munitions for them, but the war in Ukraine will be quickly over, in effect, if there is gonna be trouble over Taiwan. America will not want a two front war and drain on resources, so they will give or cause to be given to the Ukrainians what they need to do the job ASAP. As for Taiwan, it's is for the people to decide their fate, not Beijing and like Ukraine if the people of a liberal democracy are with you, it makes a very good bet, supporting strongmen authoritarians backfires in the end.

China is also facing an internal financial crises on several of fronts, real estate, railways and local government authorities all spent like madmen on empty cities and railways to nowhere and the bills are coming due.
 

garybo

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Being 3rd in line to succeed Biden, should he pass, that makes her the 3rd most powerful woman in the world. Xi Jinping would be out of his mind to shop her physically.
Taiwan has a very impressive military, they have close ties with Japan, as well as the US. Even without the US support, both of those nations have the ability to put a tremendous amount of damage to China. The Japanese have gotten over their pacification tendencies from losing in WW2, for the past 20 somewhat years they, with the help of the US, have built up a very impressive military.
Putin's saber rattling was scary enough, now that he has allied with Iran, who is close to having a nuke, and with his help will probably have one in matter of months, I fear all hell to break loose. Just a few days ago Iran threatened to nuke New York.
A time like we are about to experience calls for a strong leader.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Being 3rd in line to succeed Biden, should he pass, that makes her the 3rd most powerful woman in the world. Xi Jinping would be out of his mind to shop her physically.
Taiwan has a very impressive military, they have close ties with Japan, as well as the US. Even without the US support, both of those nations have the ability to put a tremendous amount of damage to China. The Japanese have gotten over their pacification tendencies from losing in WW2, for the past 20 somewhat years they, with the help of the US, have built up a very impressive military.
Putin's saber rattling was scary enough, now that he has allied with Iran, who is close to having a nuke, and with his help will probably have one in matter of months, I fear all hell to break loose. Just a few days ago Iran threatened to nuke New York.
A time like we are about to experience calls for a strong leader.
Not a Trump! or a chump like him

Russia is closer to Iran than America and has been an ancient enemy of Islam. Having a nuke is one thing, getting it to America is another and when it goes off they'd be prepared to suffer the consequences, up to and including national extinction. As for Taiwan if China wants to feed the fish, so be it, Taiwan can make their own HIMARS, tens of thousands of the fuckers and high tech killer drones also by the tens of thousands. China would be better off trying to take advantage of the collapse of the Russian federation and support emerging republics to their north and on the pacific coast. Just a few blown rail and road bridges over major rivers in Siberia would cut Russia off from the east for months and their air transport system is rapidly degrading. In awhile Vlad may have no army or equipment to send anyway to fight a separatist movement. No sudden moves to spook or nuke, Vlad stuck his neck out and we are garroting him slowly and will bleed him white while doing it. China is watching.
 
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Fogdog

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Being 3rd in line to succeed Biden, should he pass, that makes her the 3rd most powerful woman in the world. Xi Jinping would be out of his mind to shop her physically.
Taiwan has a very impressive military, they have close ties with Japan, as well as the US. Even without the US support, both of those nations have the ability to put a tremendous amount of damage to China. The Japanese have gotten over their pacification tendencies from losing in WW2, for the past 20 somewhat years they, with the help of the US, have built up a very impressive military.
Putin's saber rattling was scary enough, now that he has allied with Iran, who is close to having a nuke, and with his help will probably have one in matter of months, I fear all hell to break loose. Just a few days ago Iran threatened to nuke New York.
A time like we are about to experience calls for a strong leader.
lulz at your first sentence. logic fail. One does not follow the other.

I'm so glad we don't have a weak, inept leader in the WH.

Watching Trump grovel and pander to Putin and other absolutist dictators has not been forgotten.

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I'm glad we have a strong leader in the WH too. So nice that we found something we can agree upon.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Let's hope this doesn't spook folks of fuck things up for aircraft while she's flying back.

If we get hit with a bad enough solar storm it could bring everything down, including the power grid, for a very long time.

 

ProPheT 216

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Pelosi is as incapable of speaking as Biden. We should not be intimidated by any one tho either! Unfortunately we are very week right now in our military and not in a position to fight China. We are behind on supplies, behind on actual recruits. Branches are waving criminal records and mental issues to have enough troops these days. The Air Force has a drag show you can attend soon. Watch the Navy's gender equality and pro noun video for new recruits. China also now has the largest naval fleet and could attempt to stop our technology supply chain completly. We are in a bad way, I wish people would wake up. Playing with fire these days and everyone wants to talk right and left. It's just a distraction.
 
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