Ethos "Thug Roze" meets the Gavita Pro LED's............

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5ml Cal/Mag per gallon and 15ml veg nutes for every 5 gallons or so.........At this stage, I want the ppm around 275-300. If they lighten up too much (not green enough), thats when I'll start adding more nutes to the mix. This strain is hardy and will grow on the taller side if you let it. I'll probably top them at 3-3.5 weeks, let them veg for 5 weekstotal and then do a very heavy defoliation when I switch to flowering.

Remember too, they don't put off a lot of leaves per the breeder, but I've heard that before and still got a ton of leaves under these LED's.
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This is where I am seeming to have my issue... the calmag and volume of water and ppm totals... it's just killing me right now.. I may be upping cal mag and or veg feed too fast I think
 
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When they are young, you want to use as little as possible. Until they can fully utilize it, the extra will just toxify the soil and burn the plants. When the plants start looking “lighter green” than they have been, then it’s time to up it in 50-100 ppm increments.

If you’re plants are having issues, flush them thoroughly with plain pH’d water, let them dry a bit over 1-2 days and start over at lower doses. You can always add more, but over fertilizing is always problematic with young plants under 2-3 weeks.
 
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When they are young, you want to use as little as possible. Until they can fully utilize it, the extra will just toxify the soil


Agreed... I'm guessing the volume of water uptake is much higher under these than expected? Causing the ability to feed lower??
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It's definitely a function on how often you water...... water more, lower ppm. And water less often, higher ppm. If you remember, last crop I under fertilized early on and the plants looked too light green for 4-5 days. This time I'll be bumping it upwards every couple of days.

Tonight I opened a sealed bag of orange gasm, probably around 5-6 months old. Strong citrus smell as soon as I opened it. It still has some decent moisture in the buds. The buzz is very good, nicely potent, mostly sativa. I can readily see why this was a beloved strain by my friends.
 
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It's definitely a function on how often you water...... water more, lower ppm. And water less often, higher ppm. If you remember, last crop I under fertilized early on and the plants looked too light green for 4-5 days. This time I'll be bumping it upwards every couple of days.

Tonight I opened a sealed bag of orange gasm, probably around 5-6 months old. Strong citrus smell as soon as I opened it. It still has some decent moisture in the buds. The buzz is very good, nicely potent, mostly sativa. I can readily see why this was a beloved strain by my friends.
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For sure... I'm starting to finally understand the relationship I think like you said feed more often..or more water volume lower ppm feed less often or less water volume higher ppm... I am seeing that when I feed too high they just stay wet... so I must need to flush it like you said... it's definitely a sign anyway of too high feed.. lol Man that orangegasm!!! It definitely seems like a winner!!
 
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I lowered the lights from 36 inches to 28 inches today.............which is day 17 in veg. The ppm is up to 375-400, pH always at 6.3. I'm watering every 3 days right now.
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Doesn't gavita recommend 36? I'm curious what made you make that decision... not that I'm questioning the decision itself.. I'm sure there's good reason
 
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i think they recommend ranges, like flowering 18 to 24 inches and 32-36 inches in veg………..but there’s other factors that can impact that like exhaust system, fans, plant tolerance, etc. I usually lower them when I start to bump up the ppm. Tomorrow is 3 weeks and they surely can handle it now. I got to get a move on, as I want to flower in 2 more weeks.
 
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If its saturday, that means another weeks done so 3 down, 2 to go........... I'm going to wait a few more days (maybe 4-5) before I pinch the tops.

I'm also thinking the 3 indica plants won't be ready in 2 more weeks veg so........ when I flower, I'll remove them and continue another week's veg in a different room under the other Led. Then when big enough, I'll move them back in. The indica strain gets done about a week earlier than the Thug, so it may work out afterall.
 
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Tomorrow I'm going to remove the 2 largest sun leaves on each plant. The 2 leaves below these will probably have to go soon too. This will allow more light to the branches below until flowering begins in about 10 days. And remember, this strain is only supposed to put off minimal leaves......well, they haven't grown under these lights. LOL Check out the red X's for the leaves I mean. I'll still do a major defoliation when the switch is made to flowering. And I still have to top these, maybe in 2-3 days.


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Tomorrow I'm going to remove the 2 largest sun leaves on each plant. The 2 leaves below these will probably have to go soon too. This will allow more light to the branches below until flowering begins in about 10 days. And remember, this strain is only supposed to put off minimal leaves......well, they haven't grown under these lights. LOL Check out the red X's for the leaves I mean. I'll still do a major defoliation when the switch is made to flowering. And I still have to top these, maybe in 2-3 days.


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Looks great man!!! So I know you've mentioned this in previous logs... I wanted to ask in case you've tweaked it... but where do you stay at on humidity during veg? Lower end?
 
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As long as the humidity stays below 65%, I don’t fuck with it In veg. The dehumidifier doesn’t get turned on til buds start forming and flowering begins. So basically, I don’t worry about it til flowering.
 
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OK cool man... so I suppose around 60 is optimal.. but do you think the lower end would help with uptake? Like say 50 percent... or would that be too low for the temps being around 83?
 
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Don’t over think it…….. in veg, it’s really not an issue and anything between 50%-65% is fine. In flowering, after buds start developing, I wouldn’t be above 65% and I actually like to run lower, maybe 55%-60%. 8 actually set my dehumidifier at 50%, cause it doesn’t click on until it reads 55%. Later in flowering, maybe the last 2 weeks, I stay very low and not above 50%.

Plants definitely like it more humid at all times, but lower % increases resin production. And reduces chances for mold.
 
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Right on man... I've been up higher in the 60 to 70... but always almost a lack of uptake... I'm associating that with either feeding too often... or too much volume... and or too high humidity or combo of all kind of... getting ready to toss a couple under the gavita for a test before I put all in.. the thing that is driving me crazy as well is I have 2 bluelab ec pens... 1 the regular ec pen for like 100 bucks... the 2nd the trimeter/ now known as the bluelab combo.. I have the combo plus.. so the ec on the combo reads like 300 ppm at 5 ml per gallon of botanicare calmag.. the other reads more like 240 .. 230... so about 70 ppm difference... would you happen to know what ppm you get when doing the 5 ml/gallon of botanicare calmag? I'm just curious as to where my pens read verses yours being is we both have bluelab.. and both use botanicare.. sorry for the bother on this .. it's something that's been just eating at me
 
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