Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Bagginski said:
Most of the driving wheels in Big Church are not, in fact, believers, but manipulators, sheep shearers. I began learning this at 15, when various ‘pastors’ & ‘ministers’ began grooming me for the ministry….

I was a junior counselor at a fundamentalist summer camp that year. I don’t know if I’d caught anyone’s attention before that…but one night, it was my turn to do evening devotion for my cabin (every cabin did evening Bible-study/prayer/whatever, SOP). All I remember about it now, is that I picked a passage from Isaiah (open the book at random & searched the page, found a thing). I read the passage & started talking about it.

I have no idea how long I talked, but the cabin was silent. Eventually I ran out of things to say, and I had to pee something fierce, so I ended with a short prayer & stepped outside to hit the latrine. Outside the cabin, there were 20? 50? gathered around it - a lot of people, sitting on the ground; turned out, after the other cabins finished theirs, I was still going, and they could hear me & came to listen. All silent as I walked out, still silent when I came back. Freaked me out.

After that, my interactions with the church folks who ran the camp changed significantly. That’s when I remember the grooming beginning…and when I began to notice that these people had a very different take on church, Jesus, and the rest of it. Nothing overt, but their thru-line was off-key or something from my every (frequent) interaction with such folks.

Spent years mulling over what that meant, & correlating with old memories & new experiences. It took me A LONG TIME to realize that churches are run by salesmen more focused on driving attendance, new members, and the bottom line than on the product they were selling - or the people they were selling it to.

That cleared things up for me rather suddenly - in much the same way that I discovered that the republicans weren’t ignorant, or foolish, or trapped in old ways & beliefs: they were doing it all on purpose. I had totally believed for a long time that they ‘just didn’t understand’, but I was wrong. They understood what they were doing, and why they were doing it, and they were hiding it. Again, there were/are ‘true believers’, but they weren’t running the party, the movement, or the show: they had a plan; it was all deliberate, and not done in ignorance or old ways of thinking. Hiding in plain sight.
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It sounds like you missed your calling. Think of the money you would now have if you only sold your soul.
 
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ActionianJacksonian

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schuylaar said:
"Privilege" is afforded to SITTING PRESIDENT ONLY; he also decides what is privilege.

Those are the rules.
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It's not though, otherwise presidents would never be able to speak in confidence to one another.

Besides, if it's not a thing, then why the eff did Biden revoke it to enable the raid?

Like what's to revoke? There is clear correspondence of this revocation between the White House and NARA.

The only question is can current POTUS revoke formers privilege. And that is unprecedented, and will be an issue for the Supreme Court.
 
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schuylaar

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ActionianJacksonian said:
It's not though, otherwise presidents would never be able to speak in confidence to one another.

Besides, if it's not a thing, then why the eff did Biden revoke it to enable the raid?

Like what's to revoke? There is clear correspondence of this revocation between the White House and NARA.

The only question is can current POTUS revoke formers privilege. And that is unprecedented, and will be an issue for the Supreme Court.
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It is though. I'm sorry but I'm going to tell you the facts. It's up to you how you feel about those facts- but it doesn't change them.

He didn't revoke anything.

Why are you asking 'what's to revoke'? There's nothing to revoke. Once you leave Office of President all privilege is 'transferred' if you will to the next; it doesn't belong to the person, it belongs to the Office of the President.
 
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ActionianJacksonian

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schuylaar said:
It is though. I'm sorry but I'm going to tell you the facts. It's up to you how you feel about those facts- but it doesn't change them.

He didn't revoke anything.

Why are you asking 'what's to revoke'? There's nothing to revoke. Once you leave Office of President all privilege is 'transferred' if you will to the next; it doesn't belong to the person, it belongs to the Office of the President.
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He did revoke it though, it's been in the news for a few days. There is a link a few pages back. The White House legal team used Watergate as precedent to revoke trumps executive privilege without even telling him. So now you can add entrapment to 4th and 14th ammendment violations by the incumbent and of the former rival and current front runner.

It's 10th world and banana tier and literally everyone knows it but the gossip girls.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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ActionianJacksonian said:
It's not though, otherwise presidents would never be able to speak in confidence to one another.

Besides, if it's not a thing, then why the eff did Biden revoke it to enable the raid?

Like what's to revoke? There is clear correspondence of this revocation between the White House and NARA.

The only question is can current POTUS revoke formers privilege. And that is unprecedented, and will be an issue for the Supreme Court.
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Biden revoked Trump’s bullshit “privilege” nonsense because it was a lame attempt to time out the investigations into his criminality while he was potus, about What a year and a half ago? That was before it came out he stole documents from the government.

Presidents can give security clearance, but Trump fucked around and found out after trying to screw the Biden transition and causing a insurrection after working to strongarm a vulnerable ally to push the narrative that was boosted by a foreign advisory that helped Trump cheat in 2016.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ActionianJacksonian said:
It's not though, otherwise presidents would never be able to speak in confidence to one another.

Besides, if it's not a thing, then why the eff did Biden revoke it to enable the raid?

Like what's to revoke? There is clear correspondence of this revocation between the White House and NARA.

The only question is can current POTUS revoke formers privilege. And that is unprecedented, and will be an issue for the Supreme Court.
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Actually, Presidential Executive Privilege is held by the current president and only the current president. Over the past year-plus that he's been in office, Biden has refused to invoke executive privilege to shield Trump. That is very different from what you said in your weasel words.

www.politico.com

Biden White House waives executive privilege for initial set of Trump-era documents sought by Jan. 6 panel

The move comes as the Capitol attack committee indicates it's "engaging with" two ex-aides to former President Donald Trump.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

thehill.com

Biden rejects executive privilege for ex-Trump advisers Flynn, Navarro

President Biden will not assert executive privilege to shield two former Trump advisers, Peter Navarro and Michael Flynn, from testifying or turning over relevant documents to the House committee i…
thehill.com thehill.com

www.thedailybeast.com

Trump’s In La-La Land When It Comes to Executive Privilege

The ex-president’s demand for the immediate return of documents seized from Mar-a-Lago shows he doesn’t understand how any of this works.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

"Once Trump ceased being president, all executive privilege passed from him to President Joe Biden. Only the sitting president can assert executive privilege, and Biden has made it clear that he will not lift a finger to shield Trump (the “FPOTUS”) from prosecution by the Department of Justice."

Do the crime, do the time. Same for you, me and Citizen Donald Trump. Don't like the idea that Trump is facing justice? Cry me a river.
 
Wattzzup

Wattzzup

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ActionianJacksonian said:
He did revoke it though, it's been in the news for a few days. There is a link a few pages back. The White House legal team used Watergate as precedent to revoke trumps executive privilege without even telling him. So now you can add entrapment to 4th and 14th ammendment violations by the incumbent and of the former rival and current front runner.

It's 10th world and banana tier and literally everyone knows it but the gossip girls.
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So you’re ok with a president doing whatever he wants and answering to no one? Sounds more like you want a King and not a president. If he did nothing wrong, they will find nothing and he will run again in 2024. Big IF
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hillbill said:
Only the President has the power of Executive Privilege. Period.
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True, that.

But look at the jackass's weasel words:

"Besides, if it's not a thing, then why the eff did Biden revoke it to enable the raid?

Like what's to revoke? There is clear correspondence of this revocation between the White House and NARA.

The only question is can current POTUS revoke formers privilege. And that is unprecedented, and will be an issue for the Supreme Court. "

He framed his argument assuming Trump's executive privilege and Biden's action as "revoking" that privilege. As if Biden is doing dirty to the poor former president who is being persecuted. Grievance politics writ large. Only while in office did Trump have executive privilege and immunity from prosecution for crimes he commits while in office. After he Jan 20, 2020, citizen Trump had neither. The Jackass is intellectually dishonest. His post begins with a lie and builds upon it.

Maybe he fooled himself. Nobody else was fooled.
 
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