PJ Diaz
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Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants
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Budley Doright
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I skipped lots but did not see any reference to “classified material”. Did I miss that? Isn’t that what the raid was about? Hmmmm.
Budley Doright
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Maybe include a case that was specifically about classified materials and where it was the goverment asking for the return. As per the subject of the warrant, thank you for your effort though
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CunningCanuk
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ActionJackassian talking about boots kicking doors in, raid this and raid that. Yeah, right, trump is the victim.
Too bad Breonna Taylor didn’t get an hours notice before her doors were actually kicked in.
That’s an example of a real raid and a real victim.
Too bad Breonna Taylor didn’t get an hours notice before her doors were actually kicked in.
That’s an example of a real raid and a real victim.
Herb & Suds
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topcat
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Seemingly multiple concussions, keeps marbles in his mouth.
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ActionianJacksonian
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The source was not Judicial Watch though as you dishonestly suggest. They were plaintiff and lost for obvious reasons.
"THEY" are presidents that have been sued over records that "belong to the public". Plaintiff always loses. They use campaign funds to fight the suits usually.
Resorting to these shameful shabby tactics here is not a good look for you. Kind of looks like your fingers in ears singing LaLaLaLa.
But it is funny though.
hanimmal
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A couple things with this, how many people started law school with him, vs how many finished? If there were 152 in his starting class, he would have technically graduated in top half. It is easy to try to find ways that someone is wrong when they are talking themselves up If you don’t look at it the way they are.It's weird that the AP says differently than whatever source you derived your info from.
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WASHINGTON (AP) _ Sen. Joe Biden claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the botapnews.com
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The second is what does this matter? Fifty years later, is Biden’s resume not good enough for you?
Fogdog
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"Being sued" lulz. It was a frivolous case. The judge said as much. Anybody can be sued by a nut job over a nutty idea. It's one of Trump's tricks he uses to harrass people for revenge too. You make a big deal out of losing a worthless case then tell us how Clinton was sued but neglect to say the suit was thrown out due to lack of standing. As usual the details show you "have no standing". So STFU, snowflake.
Along with pesky shit lawsuits your kind press every effing day, the grievance you here express because they lost is typical too. The judge gave your idiot plantiffs a fair hearing. The judge said it plain as day. Under the law that authorizes NARA, they are authorized to decide when and when not to take action. The judge has no authority to order them to do so. So cry me a fucking river, you intellectually and emotionally stunted freak.
The case is interesting because it shows that NARA doesn't just go out and collect every scrap of paper as Trump ALSO complained about. But when important historical documents go missing, they are authorized to go get them Those tapes held by Clinton were not nearly as historically important as the Love Letters, much less top secret documents that purportedly contained national security information concerning nuclear military secrets.. It is the discretion of NARA to decide to take action. The judge should have sanctioned the shit out of that gang of harpies who sued Clinton. Maybe he should do so retroactively.
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Budzbuddha
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Hey … you big lovable lug , i’m in the Gang of 8 .
I’ll tell you everything… Tee Hee !
I’ll tell you everything… Tee Hee !
Bagginski
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It would indeed not be good to imagine the Ochre Ogre to be THE antichrist, but he’s not just a distraction, he’s a willful agent of disaster. He may have been ‘stimulated’ into politics by those wanting to use him as a pawn, but he’s a loose cannon; dangerous, deadly, destructive, willful, totally self-serving, stoppable only at great risk & much damage - as we fully see on display, every day, for 7 years now…and more damage in store, without doubt.
I’d say it’s time our run of bad luck ran out. We see signs of THAT every day, too.
I disagree that religion has co-opted the wealthy: Christianity is and always has been a natural and willing ally of wealth and power, having those exact same goals for itsel: after all, wealth craves power, and power craves control - in order to expand their wealth, and increase their power…allowing more complete control; wealth has *always* gain power and exercise control; might has always gained wealth & power and sought to exercise control. Christianity has been working in tandem (and in competition) with the wealthy and the mighty as long as Christendom has existed. MORE wealth. MORE power. MORE control.
I refuse to assume that it can’t happen, and I will continue to work for it every day.
The Vatican set ‘Western Civilization’ in stone. After well over a thousand years, we’re only just now beginning to try to think - and live - outside the puzzle box. It’s as hard as it is to do because it wasn’t just “religion” or “worship” that was set in stone: the basis of European political systems (including ours), business, logic, diplomacy, philosophy, and science We’re all SET during that same period.
True, Christianity has stolen a great deal from other cultures (many if not most of which were reduced to slavery by “missionaries” and their military companions), but everything it stole has been twisted into its service…what’s happening here and now is not so different from the time of the Crusades and inquisitions: the same lust for wealth, power, and control; they just didn’t have modern media, the more ‘advanced’ torture/brainwashing methods we use now, but the ‘value systems’ in place now are mostly no different, and they affect the way everyone thinks about & reacts to people and events - even as we’re forced to deal innumerable instances at a steadily increasing rate.
For the ones who are really trying to see deeply into the torrent of events, who really want to stop the acceleration of corruption in its tracks, and put guardrails in place to prevent such things in the future, it’s a huge temptation to give in to Panglossian best-of-all-possible-worlds *despair* that this is indeed things actually happening for the best, “so relax and enjoy it”, or to ‘hakuna matata’ ourselves into deep distraction, ‘having faith’ that things will work out on their own anyway, & checking out.
And here we get to what I see as the value of the “Trump/Satan” comparison, as displayed by Melber in that clip.
THE BIGGEST RISK being taken by the Overthrow Party Is an increase in cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance breaks illusion when the break between belief and experience collide…and typically most effective when it strikes personally. Given the revelations beginning to pour out about MAGA, it’s nefarious cast of charachters/bad actors, and the plots driving it all behind the scenes, we are beginning to see more and more people experience that break…but it won’t work on everyone. There will always be some who will burrow further into protective fantasyland, and double down - triple down, even - do virtually ANYTHING to avoid having to LOOK at what they’ve been part of, the things they’ve helped happen (it is *why* we have such massively effective (and successful) distraction industries (streaming video, video games (all sorts), film, music, drugs, alcohol, sex, QVC, gambling, conspiracy theorizing) devoted to impelling the sociopolitical passivity of the citizenry by ever-new distraction methods & fantasies of ‘enough money for THAT new house, new car, hot new “investment”, new look, new vacation, new spouse, new drug, new kink, new fashion, etc.
However it’s been the historical rule that eventually, enough pressure will crack any nut…and a lot of the MAGA-Jesus-Hitler types have already had their nuts cracked & that’s how they ended up there.
Which as I see it is the value of Melber’s piece: the comparison between the two is uncanny - a natural source of cognitive nutrition. IMO it would be a terrific idea if a campaign clip built out of that comparing/ contrasting Milton v Trump in ads would be great…it’s not the already cracked we need to reach - it’s those who’re scared & burrowing deeper. Such a clip during the campaign would be a CogDiss MACHINE in and amongst the hearings, the revelations, the evidence, the trials. A cognitive slap in the faces of the dazed & disoriented.
An ad highlighting OO’s truly obscene debut as Putin’s stooge in Helsinki would also be great: guarantee Faux News never shared the bulk of that event - it’ll hit them like a ton of bricks
Bagginski
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Given the topic of the moment, here’s an interesting piece from Thom Hartmann:
Is Donald Trump the Antichrist?
Then, one day, they came out of their room, and my mom came over to me, crying, and wrapped her arms around me.
Totally alarmed, I ask her what was wrong. ”I’m scared“, she said; I’m afraid you‘ll die not knowing Jesus and spend forever burning in hell! Please, please ask Jesus into your heat RIGHT NOW!”
Guess what happened. Yeah, I said the manic words (‘magic’ words, but I’ll let autocorrect have its moment)…and in retrospect, that wasn’t a good thing at all. I had to let go of Christianity to save myself and my sanity (@ 15), and I’ve been digging out the hooks and draining the poison EVER SINCE. It’s somewhat like weeding: whereever the hook, whatever the poison, it must be squeezed out, every drop; it must be pulled up, root and all - every bit…and still you will find more. The deepest levels are the oldest - and the hardest to remove completely.
My friend, I am sorry that you know ANY of what that’s like. I wish you did not. I wish NO ONE knew.
Is Donald Trump the Antichrist?
Sad to hear this: I was 6 or 7 when my mother got involved in a ‘mothers’ morning Bible-study & kaffe-klatch’. This was decades ago - more than 60 years. I was so young, I knew nothing about it, my mom just went & took me with her to play with the other kids.
Then, one day, they came out of their room, and my mom came over to me, crying, and wrapped her arms around me.
Totally alarmed, I ask her what was wrong. ”I’m scared“, she said; I’m afraid you‘ll die not knowing Jesus and spend forever burning in hell! Please, please ask Jesus into your heat RIGHT NOW!”
Guess what happened. Yeah, I said the manic words (‘magic’ words, but I’ll let autocorrect have its moment)…and in retrospect, that wasn’t a good thing at all. I had to let go of Christianity to save myself and my sanity (@ 15), and I’ve been digging out the hooks and draining the poison EVER SINCE. It’s somewhat like weeding: whereever the hook, whatever the poison, it must be squeezed out, every drop; it must be pulled up, root and all - every bit…and still you will find more. The deepest levels are the oldest - and the hardest to remove completely.
My friend, I am sorry that you know ANY of what that’s like. I wish you did not. I wish NO ONE knew.
Bagginski
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To all appearances, Chump has specifically been trying to keep them out of the hands of the FBI - his “special master” demand is an attempt to get A court, ANY court to declare that the FBI can’t look at them before the midterms (or ever, if possible, but at least to deflect it FOR NOW). I imagine that he knows/believes that IF actual criminal investigators get to study them, the revelations in them would turn even more of his unathletic supporters against him.
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Bagginski
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If ONLY I hadn’t felt shocked, horrified, betrayed…I coulda been somebody!
cannabineer
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It will take me time to digest your magnum opus. I will home in on two excerpts.
I agree that that man is a willful agent of destruction. I still contend that he is the illusionist’s “moving hand”, distracting from the doings of the other hand.
But in the order of things, he is the pawn whom we watch, while the bishops and queens run the game.
Am I missing something? The two are tautologous. Naturally not all the rich are funding the churches’ sword-arm.
But enough of them are (as a supplement to the obscene wealth being fleeced off the fearful faithful) to advance the program.
I will digest the rest at leisure, with a note if thanks. Your post will give me an afternoon of thought. It is the Internet equivalent of a neighbor stopping by with a torte made from scratch.
More frivolously, “magnum opus” made me think of the eponymous progressive penguin. Since I cannot find a pic of him holding an appropriate revolver, I need turn elsewhere for mirthful metaphor.
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CunningCanuk
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I realized after I posted that it might have sounded like I was insulting you. It wasn’t my intention.
Bagginski
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Sadly, not so: they’re on the snake’s side…they knew it was a snake, too, but THEY sent the snake over TO you, otter boy!
cannabineer
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I am comforted by knowing I fought free using internal resources. I do not regret or resent the experience. I believe (!) that it improved me. It equips me to soldier on with the appropriate combat ribbons.
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Bagginski
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Trump‘s privileges and executive perks expired with his term of office.
The end.
In the modern era, it’s been customary to extend certain privileges to *former* executives…but it’s a CUSTOM. Not a rule, not a law - entirely the purview of the SITTING executive.
Given the chance to extend such to the Ochre Ogre, Joe said FUCK, NO!
I stand behind him 100% on this.