Charles U Farley
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I don't pimp it here but it's a org and I know you're a good researcher.
How Do You Sativa People Do It In A 4X4?
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DrDukePHD
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Share the seeds at some point before you leave the earthly plain, spread the love
That's all I'm getting at. Be the people you admire.
budtoker221
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So you selected for longer flowering time? Or slower vegging plants? ..I didn’t quite read the whole website if that was mentioned..I don't pimp it here but it's a org and I know you're a good researcher.
Charles U Farley
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My short time here on RIU has convinced me that SouthEast Lights seeds will never be sold, even after I'm dead, unless my kids, gkids, or ggkids are in severe, _desperate_ need for money.Share the seeds at some point before you leave the earthly plain, spread the love
The thought of a bunch of newbs planting the seeds, drowning the shit out of them (regardless of what soil they're placed in) and then douching 'em with super special blueberry bud booster and then OD'ing the shit out of 'em with MgSO4, and then come on a forum like this and say the SouthEast Lights shit sucks?
My experience here on RIU has guaranteed that will never happen.
I'm going to advise the kids to treat the buds they'll grow as Kobe beef and market it to dispensaries that give priority to medical patients.
budtoker221
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Ok so the first sativa pheno popped up at F6 and sounds like you continued that sativa line.. and you said the sativa pheno high was more long lasting?
I’ve always heard that there are sativa phenos in Northern Lights genetics I read somewhere that 1 in 5 plants are more sativa while 80% are the more typical indica phenos.. (I’ve not grown NL so I can’t say from experience)
Charles U Farley
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From the site:
"At F6, the first Type I/Sativa plant appeared. I was sure this plant was just an over-achieving male because it was just so height dominant over all the others. The pre-flowers caused me to question my assumption and flowering proved me wrong. I was expecting so much after harvest and curing but was a bit underwhelmed. Low yield, almost no smell with a nice, clear mental effect, quite familar from my time in Miami. I guess I was expecting the Thai portion of Northern Lights to really be different from the high quality Jamaican and Columbian I knew so well. It wasn't. On this last F6 grow, all three appeared simultaneously."
Wherever you read about the numbering system would be incorrect, the lower the number the more Type II/Indica, the higher the number the more Type II/Sativa.
I have no earthly idea what was in the mind of the creator of Northern Lights, but if I had to guess I would say he used the Thai/ Hawaiian stock because it was low odor and it would give some height and bud length to the shorter, stouter Type II's.
Back in the day, low order was essential for indoor grows, so you didn't get busted.
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EhCndGrower
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I did 8 weeks of veg on my current Golden Tiger. I kind of did a Quadline train and just kept training the limbs outward. Think it sit’s roughly 42” tall now and nearing completion
budtoker221
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The tall stretchy NL plants might also be from the Mazar influence, as well as Hawaiian,
Here’s a description of Nevil’s Mazar from 1987 High times:
Afghani (Mazar I Sharif)
(36.5° Northern Latitude) This is without a doubt one of the worlds best indica varieties. Renouned throughout the Hindu Kush and the whole Middle East as the best there is. Because of its high quality, this hash is rarely sold pure. Well over 90% of this hash is adultered with interior hash, henna and ghee. I have been to the factory in the Khyper Pass where all this takes place. The owner of this factory sadly informed me that this variety will probly become extinct in the near future due to the soviet invasion on Afghanistan. I am going to make sure this does not happen.
- A fast growing early maturing variety.
- Height is about 4-5 feet. But can get taller in more northern climates.
- Yield is about one kilo per plant in good conditions.
- Price $50.00 for 10 seeds.
Charles U Farley
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Nevil's words from mrnice.nl:
"NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic....
... I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well try 50%."
NL Seattle Greg might have got seeds from Mazar through his contacts but Nevil's Mazar didn't have anything to do with the creation of Northern Lights. All NL versions were created by NL Seattle Greg and his crew, not Neville.
What Nevil did was to homogenize and standardize all of the numbered varieties into a single unified brand of Northern Lights. At first it was mainly the NL1 but as Neville so eloquently put, if it's going to cost you 50% of your yield, customers will not be happy.
budtoker221
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In the podcast interview with Seattle Greg on Breeders Syndicate he says the NL1 was a cross of Murphy’s Afghan with the Mazar that Nevil picked up in Afghanistan.
(Apparently Seattle Greg and Nevil had been trading seeds before Greg gave Nevil all the different numbered crosses.)
I’ve read those descriptions of NL1 that Nevil wrote at mrNice, that 80s NL1 sounds dank..
From what I gather by 1991 Sensi Seed Bank didn’t offer NL1 as far as I know, they just offered “Northern Lights” which I’ve read that in the 90s was either NL1, or NL1 x2x5.
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Charles U Farley
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I'm familiar with the podcast, I listened to it once. I can't stand podcasts, the information that you get for the time you have to put into listening to people is atrocious . Even when sped up to 1.5 to 2 times faster than normal, it takes too damn long for the data received. Whole lot easier for me to speed read and burn through textual information.
If you plowed through all the stuff I posted on the NL thread, you'll see that both Neville's and NL Seattle Greg's various stories have not been consistent, whatsoever. Everyone just has to come to their own conclusion and decide what they believe.
Personally I think everyone gets all caught up in old seed stories and do not take into consideration what environment they were grown in back in the day versus what they're going to be grown in now. Just like in the movie Trading Places, it's not just genetics and it's not just environment, it is _both_ of them interacting with each other to create something special.
I cannot begin to imagine how seeds that were grown back in the 80's under relatively low intensity HPS lighting, in a hydro environment, are going to do with massive DLI LED lighting, more Blueberry Bloom Booster Bud Blaster that you can douche a plant with, mixed with toxic levels of MgSO4 because one leaf got slightly discolored, are going to do now
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Charles U Farley
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I mean no disrespect whatsoever because that looks like damn fine cannabis but it also doesn't look like a Type I Sativa that's to me. But as everybody is finding, what the fuck do I know, I'm just an old dinosaur.
My wife, who listens to the voice dictation for all of this stuff (thank God I don't have to type it anymore), just said you use dinosaur too fucking much.
Week4@inCharge
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Woah ..good to know these stretch like that. Flip them into flower early .. real early.Let me guess, you recline the seats, right?
First off, I'm not requesting assistance and don't need advice, the title is rhetorical. I've grown 97 Sensi's Jack Herer in a 2X5 closet and had to LST the shit out of them to keep 'em from hitting the 1 kw M/H Sunmaster Warm Deluxe, but it's been a very long time.
Since 2000, I have grown nothing but Northern Lights/SouthEast Lights, which are Type IV/Hybrids that are almost universally Christmas tree structured. Now that I've isolated the Type I/Sativa parental unit, I've been working a few plants. These are far from the Thai/Hawaiian originals, obviously, but these are damn tall plants. Can't put the lights any higher and two of the plants are 4" above the light getting ready to hit the tent ceiling:
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My concern is yield. Without the usual large, dense colas NL/SEL produce, these buds just don't seem like they're going to produce enough useable cannabis. That's not a problem at all, as my wife and I have more than we will consume the next year or two.
But it got me wondering, do you sativa growers produce enough from a 4X4 to sustain you from one harvest to the next?
nonamedman420
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side lighting instead, vertical all the way from the floor to the ceiling. Then you can supercrop them when they hit the top and get em growing back down.Let me guess, you recline the seats, right?
First off, I'm not requesting assistance and don't need advice, the title is rhetorical. I've grown 97 Sensi's Jack Herer in a 2X5 closet and had to LST the shit out of them to keep 'em from hitting the 1 kw M/H Sunmaster Warm Deluxe, but it's been a very long time.
Since 2000, I have grown nothing but Northern Lights/SouthEast Lights, which are Type IV/Hybrids that are almost universally Christmas tree structured. Now that I've isolated the Type I/Sativa parental unit, I've been working a few plants. These are far from the Thai/Hawaiian originals, obviously, but these are damn tall plants. Can't put the lights any higher and two of the plants are 4" above the light getting ready to hit the tent ceiling:
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My concern is yield. Without the usual large, dense colas NL/SEL produce, these buds just don't seem like they're going to produce enough useable cannabis. That's not a problem at all, as my wife and I have more than we will consume the next year or two.
But it got me wondering, do you sativa growers produce enough from a 4X4 to sustain you from one harvest to the next?
I half kid.
Week4@inCharge
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This strategy works great for me. Especially in a 2x4,
LeastExpectedGrower
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Yeah, basically it amounts to doing all the stuff that we know keeps plants short and then using training/manipulation to continue to keep 'em short. I can't figure out any other good way to grow plants that want to stretch and be tall besides doing that and working them horizontally as well.
Week4@inCharge
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Do you find any differences in maturing between (sativa) landraces vs hybrids? I've noticed hybrids usually mature around weeks 4 to 5, have yet to grow out a landrace. (yet).
LeastExpectedGrower
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First, note that I don't have a super long track record, but have grown 4 or 5 batches of hybrid or indica leaning stuff and also now some more 'straight' sativas and there's definitely some differences. The sativas were pickier with how they want to be fed in flower and/or obviously take longer to get across the finish line. Though I haven't yet grown anything that doesn't have a few layers of humans screwing with the genetics already (even when sold as pure sativa), so nothing super landrace yet. I'm hoping to go in that direction in my next couple grows.
Week4@inCharge
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I'm fairly new too, feels like 5 years lol...but I've only been here at RIU for a year. You learn real quick here, members don't pull any punches, tuff love or major SOB.
I just have a handful of grows myself. So a little apprehensive about trying out a landrace right now. (have a few beans of them) I only mention it here as they tend to grow like ..um... weeds. uncontrollably. My first grow (Pineapple Express) ended up reaching to the very top of the tent. and a few of those I cut the things in half, and they still grew some more. That's when I learned... Sativa dominate strains stretch like a mother. Imagine a pure Sativa? Anyways as you mentioned already better than I could have, flip them early and some LST.
amneziaHaze
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how about a short veg 25days strong LST and a topping on day 22 4plants