PJ Diaz
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It could also royally backfire to the nth degree, especially if we were to try and fail.
Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
With more than one Russian in power bleating about nukes, this is one showdown we cannot avoid, merely defer. Russia’s conventional military is being ground down to the point of crisis, which the Chinese write as danger/opportunity.
DIY-HP-LED
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I wouldn't be wanting to be calling the shots and I'm glad Joe is, so far, he's been two steps ahead when everybody realized Ukraine had more than a chance. Ahead before it started by busting Vlad for it in the media before he began it and gave them enough javelins and stingers to make it hurt real bad. That's why I'm concerned now, he appears to be busting Vlad about nukes in the media, before he uses them...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Yeah, in this instance I defer to the pros, which means the President and his national security people as well as the Joint Chiefs, no matter how much that sounds like slang for big tokers.
Still I have my gut telling me that this is a time to do something (and what, dunno!) especially in the light of the wmd threshold already being crossed. The foreign-appeasement days of the previous executive are behind us, praise everybody. So it is important imo to hold this wmd nibbling around the edges Russia seems to be doing in public light, and to tolerate no more such adventures. I leave it to the experts and to the part of the press that isn’t pushing alt-fact.
Budzbuddha
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topcat
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DIY-HP-LED
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BREAKING: Special Master ORDERS More Trump Mar-A-Lago Docs Be Sent to Criminal Investigation Team
471,251 views Oct 7, 2022 Special Master Judge Raymond Dearie in the Mar-A-Lago search case just ordered that a group of documents previously segregated by the privilege filter team be sent to case team investigating Trump’s criminal conduct. Judge Dearie also set a status conference for October 18 and 12 pm ET. Judge Raymond Dearie is signaling he wants to move this process along and make sure the case team investigating Trump’s crimes gets the documents they need promptly.
Offmymeds
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I used to check the internet often to see if FPOTUS died from a stroke or heart attack yet. But now I want to see him at a trial with all of the evidence presented.
I'm sure the cult will be bleating no matter what is presented. Even if they know he stole and sold top-secret docs they would just bleat out conspiracies and still support the traitor. I also want to see who if anyone in his inner circle would try to come to his defense.
I'm sure the cult will be bleating no matter what is presented. Even if they know he stole and sold top-secret docs they would just bleat out conspiracies and still support the traitor. I also want to see who if anyone in his inner circle would try to come to his defense.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Just so. I think it is important to see that man put through the machinery of trial and justice he worked to break.
Roger A. Shrubber
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at this point, i could care less about trump, he's a washed up has been whose base of followers is slowly dwindling, and who has NO political credibility...
I want ALL of his enablers, the congress people, the senators, the state AGs and governors, the slates of fake electors, the election commissioners, and his appointees to the supreme court...to pay the price for supporting the fucking treasonous clown.
THEY have to be dealt with...trump is a side note to me now, his wad has been shot, he has no real political clout anymore, and will never hold another office. he does need to be dealt with, but his potential damage in the future is negligible compared to all of those who made his fucking dream of being donald dictator almost happen.
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://www.newsweek.com/will-fbi-arrest-donald-trump-before-midterm-elections-1748873?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc
this kind of shit just really points out the disparity between the justice system for average people, and the justice system for wealthy, famous, or influential people...
if ANYONE besides trump had been caught with the records he had been caught with, they would have been arrested without a polite request for the materials return.
if ANYONE but trump was then caught in a lie about returning all the information, they would have been arrested on the spot.
if ANYONE but trump had been caught redhanded in a second lie about returning all the material, they would be on trial for espionage already.
of course, if anyone but trump had been caught running a fake charity and pocketing the money, they would have been locked up years ago...if anyone but trump had cheated everyone he has cheated, they would have locked them up a long time ago...
WHY does this fat orange fuck get a "get out of fucking felonies free" card? someone please explain to me why he isn't wearing an orange jumpsuit and being deposed daily by the FBI and the CIA in order to determine the depth of the harm he has caused?
this kind of shit just really points out the disparity between the justice system for average people, and the justice system for wealthy, famous, or influential people...
if ANYONE besides trump had been caught with the records he had been caught with, they would have been arrested without a polite request for the materials return.
if ANYONE but trump was then caught in a lie about returning all the information, they would have been arrested on the spot.
if ANYONE but trump had been caught redhanded in a second lie about returning all the material, they would be on trial for espionage already.
of course, if anyone but trump had been caught running a fake charity and pocketing the money, they would have been locked up years ago...if anyone but trump had cheated everyone he has cheated, they would have locked them up a long time ago...
WHY does this fat orange fuck get a "get out of fucking felonies free" card? someone please explain to me why he isn't wearing an orange jumpsuit and being deposed daily by the FBI and the CIA in order to determine the depth of the harm he has caused?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It would be interesting to test the premise with a Koch brother or his banker.
dstroy
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Trump Organization jury selected – latest
Ex-president to campaign for midterms with incumbents and newcomers whom he has endorsed
PJ Diaz
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Pro-Trump Rally-Goers Blame Mysterious Bogeymen for Latest Event Flop
Zachary Petrizzo/The Daily BeastWASHINGTON, D.C.—Right-wing activists assembled on Capitol grounds Friday afternoon for yet another pro-Trump rally after a similar event proved an epic failure less than two weeks ago—but again found themselves struggling to explain a pathetically low...
ANC
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Let us replace Anyone with Hillary.... If she was caught with those documents today... she would be arrested.
Budzbuddha
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PJ Diaz
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Not the same but similar.
FBI tears holes in Hillary Clinton's email defense
The results of an FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state shredded
DIY-HP-LED
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Using those standards you could probably bust every president since FDR, with the exception of Carter. Even Obama drone struck US citizens abroad who were terrorists. All ordered murder of one kind or another abroad, it's part of their jobs like soldiers who aren't nice when they kill people miles away. Cops are another example of those who sometimes have to straddle the line and for who society make exceptions and gives wide latitude to perform their duties. It is a position of trust and Trump abused every trust and responsibly ever given to him. Trump probably doesn't even have a driver's license; he couldn't pass the written test or stop at stop signs or crosswalks or obey any law or rule.Not the same but similar.
FBI tears holes in Hillary Clinton's email defense
The results of an FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state shreddedwww.politifact.com
It was all so obvious and yet 73 million moral failures voted for him after 4 years of mayhem and mass death, it was pathetic.
Fogdog
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Didn't Comey say what Hillary did was a breach of procedure that would have gotten an employee a written rebuke?Not the same but similar.
FBI tears holes in Hillary Clinton's email defense
The results of an FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state shredded
Oh, yeah, here it is:
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
She was "careless".
To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
If she worked as an employee for the government, worst case she might have gotten fired:
Sanctions include but are not limited to a warning notice, reprimand, termination of classification authority, suspension without pay, forfeiture of pay, removal or discharge, and will be imposed upon any person, regardless of office or level of employment, who is responsible for a violation specified under this paragraph as determined appropriate under applicable law and DoD regulations. Nothing in this part prohibits or limits action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice based upon violations of that Code.
So, no, not similar to what Trump did. He could face years in prison if convicted of the charges listed on the MAL search warrant.
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DIY-HP-LED
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It doesn't matter, he's gone for good on the documents and obstruction, add it to the mountain of shit and it will come out in a book one day. They won't bother indicting him for it, there's too much shit already and he only has so much time left to serve in a cell. If any of his minions were conspiring with him, then go after them, it goes to show you how out of touch with reality he was and how much he discounted obvious danger and the repeated warnings of experts. All this was completely unnecessary, they gave him several chances nobody else gets to play ball after they busted him for lying. It was an unforced error of Putin's magnitude, a fatal blunder caused by arrogance, hubris and stupidity.