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DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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PJ Diaz said:
I don't hear either of you saying that you believe in god though. OK, you believe that god is possible, as you don't hold a "disbelief in god", but that is quite a stretch from actually believing in god, in my opinion. Perhaps this is arguing semantics and/or splitting hairs, but I think that it's an important distinction, between fence sitters, and true believers. I was agnostic much of my life, and it took some time for me to embrace god. I don't have a proper name for "god" however, and frankly I don't refer to "god" as such. I personally tend to label it as "spirit", and while I'm not religious per se, I have no problem embracing all religions, as ultimately I believe that they are all worshipping the same spirit which I identify with, just under a name which I don't particularly worship.

So, I'll ask you two agnostics: do you BELIEVE in god? (not the merely the possibility)
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I know were getting off topic here, but maybe what you're describing is the "Universe"?... I know I can sit outside and look deep into space and feel a working machine that can help you if you are "aware" of it. I was raised Souther Baptist of course living in the Bible Belt, so I have God engrained in my head since I was a child. But I also feel the power of the Universe... hard to describe.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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PJ Diaz said:
I don't hear either of you saying that you believe in god though. OK, you believe that god is possible, as you don't hold a "disbelief in god", but that is quite a stretch from actually believing in god, in my opinion. Perhaps this is arguing semantics and/or splitting hairs, but I think that it's an important distinction, between fence sitters, and true believers. I was agnostic much of my life, and it took some time for me to embrace god. I don't have a proper name for "god" however, and frankly I don't refer to "god" as such. I personally tend to label it as "spirit", and while I'm not religious per se, I have no problem embracing all religions, as ultimately I believe that they are all worshipping the same spirit which I identify with, just under a name which I don't particularly worship.

So, I'll ask you two agnostics: do you BELIEVE in god? (not the merely the possibility)
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If God didn't want us to use fossil fuels, he wouldn't have created them for us. :bigjoint:
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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PJ Diaz said:
Religion itself has a lot of problems.

That seems like question avoidance, but ok.
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It isn’t, actually. The crux (to mangle a metaphor) of my agnosticism is that I cannot answer the question. Ever take a psychedelic? It sure feels spiritual, but it is only chemistry. Simulation of soul. So what I am saying is that I cannot tell the difference between a real or simulated divine experience. Thus my fallback on the Zen concept of mu, null set.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Sir Napsalot said:
I'm not a bible believer but I do believe that I have a soul
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I have no idea how many religions are out there... but then you have to ask yourself, "who is right"?.. the oldest I believe is Muslim. Christianity was developed later, then others like budism, Church of Christ, Jewdiism, Hindu, the list goes on and on. The Christian Bible was written by 68? authors, and who knows how many times is has been transcribed over the past 2000 years. So, sometimes it's ok to question the whole idea of it. Some say it was developed to control the masses... people could go on and on in a circular maze of logic about who is right, and who is wrong in thier beliefs.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I have no idea how many religions are out there... but then you have to ask yourself, "who is right"?.. the oldest I believe is Muslim. Christianity was developed later, then others like budism, Church of Christ, Jewdiism, Hindu, the list goes on and on. The Christian Bible was written by 68? authors, and who knows how many times is has been transcribed over the past 2000 years. So, sometimes it's ok to question the whole idea of it. Some say it was developed to control the masses... people could go on and on in a circular maze of logic about who is right, and who is wrong in thier beliefs.
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Islam is the youngest of the bunch. The Hegira, the year-zero event of Islam, was in the year 622 of our calendar. Judaism was old in the Gregorian year zero. This is Jewish year 5783.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I know were getting off topic here, but maybe what you're describing is the "Universe"?... I know I can sit outside and look deep into space and feel a working machine that can help you if you are "aware" of it. I was raised Souther Baptist of course living in the Bible Belt, so I have God engrained in my head since I was a child. But I also feel the power of the Universe... hard to describe.
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The universe is definitely part of spirit, but not as some clock-like machine which just ticks away without soul.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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I think I have posted this before.... quite humorous , and well worth the 20 min...It really shows how some people have taken advantage of the poor, and brainwashed.....Prepare to be entertained. IDK why it's starting in the last section of it, but just rewind it to the beginning.

 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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PJ Diaz said:
I don't hear either of you saying that you believe in god though. OK, you believe that god is possible, as you don't hold a "disbelief in god", but that is quite a stretch from actually believing in god, in my opinion. Perhaps this is arguing semantics and/or splitting hairs, but I think that it's an important distinction, between fence sitters, and true believers. I was agnostic much of my life, and it took some time for me to embrace god. I don't have a proper name for "god" however, and frankly I don't refer to "god" as such. I personally tend to label it as "spirit", and while I'm not religious per se, I have no problem embracing all religions, as ultimately I believe that they are all worshipping the same spirit which I identify with, just under a name which I don't particularly worship.

So, I'll ask you two agnostics: do you BELIEVE in god? (not the merely the possibility)
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Who's god?
 
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