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DIY-HP-LED

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today is do or die for Ukraine. They are like Schrodinger's cat and the box gets opened today. If the Democrats win they live, if not, Putler wins....:(
I think Joe has work arounds and it would divide the republicans, besides there are other allies and Russian money that can be seized in America, Canada, the EU and UK. Russia is fucked and squirming for a way out, that's easy, the way out is out of Ukraine. I also don't think any of the lend lease has been touched either and that would break Russia easily.

Look at the reports of the state of the Russian army as it is being worn away and the remnants hiding behind conscripts and shooting them on retreat. They have no officers to speak of and those close to the fighting have a target on their backs. Equipment is low, they are reduced to using obsolete junk and ammo is critical after wasting ordinance destroying cities and plowing fields with shells and missiles. Their logistics are a nightmare and morale is very low, the troops are untrained, poorly equipped and not prepared for winter, while the Ukrainians are (Canada for instance gave the hundreds of thousands of winter uniforms among other things). The Russians have worn out guns and the Ukrainians have well maintained highly accurate artillery, counter battery radars, drones and a sophisticated fire control system, not to mention HIMARS.

If they can use long range Stategic strikes inside Russia on a few rail bridges leading into Ukraine, they could end this shit rather quickly IMHO. Cut the supplies and conscripts off inside Russia, they can't project power more than a few dozen kilometers from their rail heads. They can really only invade other countries that use the same rail gauge, European rail gauges are narrower. Those SCALP cruise missiles with a near 1000lb warhead should do the trick and have a long reach while being stealthy and dropping decoys on the run in to the target.
 

doublejj

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I think Joe has work arounds and it would divide the republicans, besides there are other allies and Russian money that can be seized in America, Canada, the EU and UK. Russia is fucked and squirming for a way out, that's easy, the way out is out of Ukraine. I also don't think any of the lend lease has been touched either and that would break Russia easily.

Look at the reports of the state of the Russian army as it is being worn away and the remnants hiding behind conscripts and shooting them on retreat. They have no officers to speak of and those close to the fighting have a target on their backs. Equipment is low, they are reduced to using obsolete junk and ammo is critical after wasting ordinance destroying cities and plowing fields with shells and missiles. Their logistics are a nightmare and morale is very low, the troops are untrained, poorly equipped and not prepared for winter, while the Ukrainians are (Canada for instance gave the hundreds of thousands of winter uniforms among other things). The Russians have worn out guns and the Ukrainians have well maintained highly accurate artillery, counter battery radars, drones and a sophisticated fire control system, not to mention HIMARS.

If they can use long range Stategic strikes inside Russia on a few rail bridges leading into Ukraine, they could end this shit rather quickly IMHO. Cut the supplies and conscripts off inside Russia, they can't project power more than a few dozen kilometers from their rail heads. They can really only invade other countries that use the same rail gauge, European rail gauges are narrower. Those SCALP cruise missiles with a near 1000lb warhead should do the trick and have a long reach while being stealthy and dropping decoys on the run in to the target.
Putlers whole plan with the conscripts was a delay tactic to wait it out until the MidTerms. Once republicans cut off Ukraine's biggest source of support Putler will launch another all out assault on Kyiv and seize control of Ukraine.
 

hanimmal

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Putlers whole plan with the conscripts was a delay tactic to wait it out until the MidTerms. Once republicans cut off Ukraine's biggest source of support Putler will launch another all out assault on Kyiv and seize control of Ukraine.
Timed to make sure that the oil/inflation crunch gave the Republicans the best chance too. That last little squeeze by MBS adding that cherry on top.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Putlers whole plan with the conscripts was a delay tactic to wait it out until the MidTerms. Once republicans cut off Ukraine's biggest source of support Putler will launch another all out assault on Kyiv and seize control of Ukraine.
He won't have much luck with his biggest agent of influence in prison and cutting funding for Ukraine will divide the republicans and their base. It's like Hitler's hope when FDR died while the Russians were beating down his front door. Europe is aroused and there are more allies, the GOP would have to get really proactive and own both house and senate to try it with Joe. If he accomplishes anything, it will be the death of Vlad! It's gone too far for even the American election to make a difference; the new congress doesn't sit until the new year.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Could they have held on because of the American election? It seems a coincidence that the order would be issued the day after, though they've been getting ready to withdraw for some time. I wonder how many of the 40,000 troops they will get away, most of the tanks and heavy equipment must be left behind. This is a nightmare for the Russians, and they must have the south and east of the Dnipro massed with artillery to cover their withdrawal from the other side of the river, assuming they can keep them supplied with ammo. Once all the River is in tube artillery range the Russians are fucked if they try to get across the river with drones circling overhead like buzzards.

That represents about 40 or 50 BTGs of combat power that the Russians will lose, and the Ukrainians don't have to counter anymore. It is a significant portion of the Russian forces in Ukraine and among their best troops off the table.

 

printer

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Prigozhin: Surovikin's decision indicates his readiness to be responsible for the lives of soldiers
The decision to withdraw Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper indicates the readiness of the group's command to take responsibility for the lives of soldiers. This was stated by the founder of PMC "Wagner", businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin.

“This is not an easy decision. Surovikin, without fear, took upon himself the fullness of decision-making, ”Prigozhin told RIA Novosti.

He emphasized that the withdrawal with minimal losses of troops, actually encircled on enemy territory, completely cut off from supply routes, is Surovikin's greatest achievement, it demonstrates the personal qualities of the commander. “Surovikin… knows perfectly well what steps will be taken in the future,” Prigogine said.

Earlier, Army General Sergei Surovikin announced the decision to withdraw troops from Kherson and from the right bank of the Dnieper and take up defense on the left bank of the river. This decision was made in order to save the lives of the military and the combat capability of the group of troops. At the moment, it is almost impossible to supply Kherson with food, and the constant shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine threatens the lives of civilians.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu supported this decision, noting that the priority of the Russian army is to save the lives of not only the military, but also the civilian population. The situation developing in the Kherson region is one of the most difficult in the NWO zone.

Russian troops take up defense on the left bank of the Dnieper.
The armed forces of the Russian Federation must take up defensive positions along the left bank of the Dnieper, said Sergey Surovikin, commander of the combined group of Russian troops in the NVO zone, at a meeting in the Russian Defense Ministry. The withdrawal of troops from Kherson and from the right bank of the Dnieper was authorized by the head of the Russian Defense Ministry Sergei Shoigu. Measures were taken to save the lives of not only the military, but also the civilian population.

“If Kyiv launches a new attack on the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, the flow of water will create vast flood zones and an additional threat to the civilian population of Kherson, and our troops will be completely isolated. In this regard, I think that it is not advisable to stay on the right bank of the Dnieper. Comprehensively assessing the situation, I propose to take up defense on the left bank of the Dnieper. The released forces and means will be useful in other areas, ”Surovikin said. The meeting was broadcast on the Russia 24 TV channel. The head of the Ministry of Defense agreed with this position.

After the start of the NMD, new regions were liberated by Russia. Among them are LNR, DNR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. Later, referendums were held in the new territories , as a result of which the majority of citizens voted in favor of joining the Russian Federation.

In the Kherson region, the most difficult situation has developed in the special operation zone. Due to regular shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the regional government was forced to move civilians to safer places in Russia. Monuments were taken out of the city for several weeks.

On November 8, it became known that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had approached the village of Pravdino , which is located 30 kilometers from Kherson. On the same day, Kherson residents tried to evacuate the city on their own. Many of them were assisted by volunteers. When there were significantly fewer people in Kherson, the homeless in the city began to loot .

Later, on November 9, it became known that Ukrainian forces went on the attack in the Snigirevka area of the Kherson region. On the same day, the Russian flag disappeared from the building of the Kherson State Maritime Academy and the Tyaginsky, Darevsky and Novovasilyevsky bridges were blown up in anticipation of the Ukrainian offensive.

Military correspondent Kotenok: three bridges blown up in Kherson region
In the Kherson region, where today the most difficult situation is developing in the special operation zone, in anticipation of the offensive of the Ukrainian forces, the Tyaginsky, Darevsky and Novovasilyevsky bridges were blown up. This was reported by war correspondent Yuri Kotenok.

“In the Kherson region, in anticipation of a Ukrainian offensive, the Tyaginsky, Darevsky and Novovasilyevsky bridges were blown up,” the military commander wrote. The information was published in the telegram channel "Voenkor Kitten Z".

After the annexation of new regions to Russia during the NMD, the Kherson region is regularly shelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It was reported that Ukrainians are actively pulling together military equipment in the Kherson direction, 360 TV channel reports .
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I don't expect they will make leaving easy for the Russians and should seek to destroy as many of them and their equipment as possible when they are crossing the river or lined up on the bank to do so. Prisoners can be traded for Ukrainians in captivity and are more of an embarrassment to Putin than dead troops, the dead can't bitch and demand back pay, these guys can.

 

BudmanTX

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now lets not jump to conclusions about the pullout of Kherson just yet......one side, it could be a ruse, another floating around the russian are changing clothes in Kherson, getting ready for a very close and personal inter-city fight...just lets wait and see.....time will tell

it is nice to hear overall though
 

printer

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now lets not jump to conclusions about the pullout of Kherson just yet......one side, it could be a ruse, another floating around the russian are changing clothes in Kherson, getting ready for a very close and personal inter-city fight...just lets wait and see.....time will tell

it is nice to hear overall though
Since the Russians forcefully evacuated civilians then any soldiers in civilian clothing will have a tough time proving otherwise. Just hope the Russians do not sabotage their heavy equipment and ammo.
 
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