Butter without decarbing weed first?

OldMedUser

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Made with coconut oil means to me that it's not just coconut oil in that package. What's it say on the ingredients list?

I buy the 1.6L tubs of organic virgin coconut oil for my daily use. Excellent for frying with.

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shredder4

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Have you checked out the link in my sig below? Dried pot can be used the same way as the fresh frozen bud I use in it but only 1/4 to 1/3 by weight of pot is needed then. I used 10g:1g - oil:drypot to get budder that got me nicely baked with 1tsp.

If anything I'd think decarbing in the oil would help it infuse better but I don't have a lb to test it. I'm going to be making concentrated cannabis oil that I can use in all sorts of ways rather than cooking pot in oil. Then just eat as is, make gummies etc etc.
If you dont decarb and make edibles they most likely contain thca. You wont get high but there still are significant medical benefits. No buzz though.

I actually make thca/cbda capsules and use them before doing a lot of physical activity. They work after as well, but better before i think.

I have a (lung/liver) cancer patient that uses them because regular (feco) thc capsules reacts with her meds and make her sick.

If you do an exceptionally long decarb you may have more sedating effects and some thc turns into cbn. Cbn is good for pain and helps with sleep.

So you really cant go wrong decarbing too long or not at all. But the effects will vary.

Ive been using a decarb machine for over 2 years. And i make edibles for patients as a caregiver and for my wife and myself. I can say using the machine has made my medibles much more consistant than before. No more duds or surprises.
 

OldMedUser

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If you dont decarb and make edibles they most likely contain thca. You wont get high but there still are significant medical benefits. No buzz though.

I actually make thca/cbda capsules and use them before doing a lot of physical activity. They work after as well, but better before i think.

I have a (lung/liver) cancer patient that uses them because regular (feco) thc capsules reacts with her meds and make her sick.

If you do an exceptionally long decarb you may have more sedating effects and some thc turns into cbn. Cbn is good for pain and helps with sleep.

So you really cant go wrong decarbing too long or not at all. But the effects will vary.

Ive been using a decarb machine for over 2 years. And i make edibles for patients as a caregiver and for my wife and myself. I can say using the machine has made my medibles much more consistant than before. No more duds or surprises.
I've been looking at some of the research being some using non-decarbed pot but not a lot on that yet as to efficacy compared to the decarbed form that seems to work for so many things. Shrunk my wife's liver tumours and my prostate while fixing her glaucoma.

I'm actually making a small, (75g bud), ISO batch of CBD oil tonight. My 30yo step-daughter has serious menstrual pain every month and has used ibuprofen for years but bought her a 30 piece can of 20mg CBD gummies from the local pot store for Xmas and 2 of those does it for her but she's out. Was thinking of skipping the decarb and see how it goes. I need some too for my arthritis which has been acting up as we bounce back and forth between winter and spring. Snow yesterday, +12C and sunny today. The RSO I take every evening doesn't work as well as the CBD version.

My biggest strength while getting my chem diploma was my lab work so with the equipment I have I can do a consistent job of decarbing without a specific piece of gear. To reclaim my ISO/EtOH I got one of those countertop distillers that has a temp control and it works great with ISO but when I tried naphtha with it the silicon gasket absorbed that, swelled up and lost seal with solvent getting out and running down the side. The test run was outside on a steel table and nothing caught fire thank jah. Will have to use my all glass lab distillation gear with that stuff so bought a nice 2L, 3-neck boiling ball and a fitting so I can feed it while cooking and do many litres in one run.

I'm not a licensed caregiver but supply two cancer patients and a few friends in need of meds. Got to do something with all the extra pot I grow. :)

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Roger A. Shrubber

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I use coconut oil and don't decarb. I've been doing it this way for close to 30 years.
The decarb happens with 4hrs. @ 210f. Decarb if you want but not necessary.
that is decarbing, you can trade temperature for time...the longer the time, the lower the temp can be.
there is NO thc in decarbed weed. there is thc-A...the Acid is blocking the receptor site that hooks to your brain chemistry, so if you don't decarb in some way, then it cannot bind with your brain....
 
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RenaissanceBrah

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That's better than laying out on a cookie sheet. It's not like that doesn't work either but I prefer to get as much of the medicine the plant has to offer and terpenes are a major part of the entourage effect that supposedly helps make pot so effective against so many health issues. I plan to be using vacuum distillation to remove the solvent from my oil to keep the temps as low as possible while processing to preserve as much as possible.

Foil would work. I'd use a mason jar and put the ring on loosely so if there's much moisture in the pot it doesn't build up any pressure and crack the glass. Or just press the foil into the threads on top. Your container should be inside a pot or metal bowl so if it does crack the pot doesn't go all over. Mason jars are made of borosilicate glass, (Pyrex), so can handle the heat.

Stay away from sativa dominant pot if anxiety is an issue. Go for the indicas like kush or even something with some CBD in it as that really tones down the buzzy stuff. You'll want some sativa in there to avoid couchlock and help with the creativity aspect. The same strain will have different effects on different people. We never had any grey market dispensaries up north here and the firat time I was in BC I scored some 1g samples of a bunch of strains to try out something different that what I had been growing for years. That's how I clued into how much CBD helped with my arthritis pain. Was a 2:1, CBD/THC strain that had been lab tested at 12% CBD and 7%THC so I went back and bought 10g to take home and make into cocobudder. Best meds ever! Trying to grow pot with those specs is a crap shoot so I'm going to make all my THC pot and CBD pot into separate batches of oil and send them off to a lab so I can mix my meds to whatever ratio I want.

You can buy plant-based terpenes to add to the oil to tweak the effects as well. So far I have a small bottle of Beta Caryophyllene that is supposed to help with inflammation and pain plus promote a balanced buzz. I got it at a hydro store in BC and it's made by TrueTerpenes.com.

To be dead simple you could grind a gram of bud and add it to some butter in a hot skillet for 5 min then spread it on a sandwich. Bet you get wasted on that but wait up to 2 hours before taking any more. With edibles it's best to start low and go slow until you figure out how it affects you. Greening out is not fun but a good double shot of booze takes the terror out of it fast. :)

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Thanks OldMed, I'll try with some pyrex glass covered in aluminum foil, if I can find a mason jar though I'll use that.

Btw, how come I shouldn't grind up the herb, before decarbing it in the mason jar / pyrex?

Won't I have to grind it up at some point?
 

HydoDan

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that is decarbing, you can trade temperature for time...the longer the time, the lower the temp can be.
there is NO thc in decarbed weed. there is thc-A...the Acid is blocking the receptor site that hooks to your brain chemistry, so if you don't decarb in some way, then it cannot bind with your brain....
I should have said, I don't decarb beforehand. I let the heat of the infusion process do it for me. I also add sunflower lecithin for the blood brain barrier.
 

OldMedUser

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Thanks OldMed, I'll try with some pyrex glass covered in aluminum foil, if I can find a mason jar though I'll use that.

Btw, how come I shouldn't grind up the herb, before decarbing it in the mason jar / pyrex?

Won't I have to grind it up at some point?
Grinding it exposes a lot more plant material to the solvent, be it butter or ISO or naphtha that will contaminate the final product. This is not terribly important when the product is destined for edibles but does add to the nasty taste. If making oil for smoking then it's more of a big deal.

I just made a small batch of CBD oil starting with 75g of bud and sugar trim. I put it in a big glass pitcher the using the handle end of a big wooden mallet mash it down, stir with the end of the handle and keep doing that until it's all no more than pea sized chunks. Then I soak it with ISO a couple of inches over the pot, stir for a minute then pour through a fine strainer into another pitcher so I can get it out quicker. Ad more ISo, quick stir for a few seconds then once more. I'll leave all the liquid to settle out the fines then run it through a coffee filter folded into a cone for the funnel. Regular funnels are smooth inside so I ran 6 or 7 beads up from the hole in the bottom about 3" up all around so the paper isn't plastered up flat against the plastic and there's more surface area for the liquid to get thru the paper.

Pitcher loaded.

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All mashed down.

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All ready to get the ball rolling.

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I could use some practise with a glue gun. :)

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Cooking it nice and checking it twice. Once the last of the iso was gone I heated her up to 250F and decarbed right there. Get good control of the heat with the hotplate plugged into my variac. Looks to be 15 - 20ml but I forgot to weigh the damn beaker before starting that part so will have to weigh once cleaned out to know exactly how much I got. I used 3 - 500ml bottles of 99% ISO and got 2.5 back. I kept the wet pot in the pitcher and sealed it with some Glad Press'N Seal over the irregularly shaped top so it's airtight. It's just like the parafilm we used in the lab but thinner and prolly a hell of a lot cheaper. I can dump that in the other still and cook out the ISO. That countertop one won't heat up without liquid in it but the other goes on a hotplate and I tell it what to do.

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Tried smoking some of the oil off a cig. Did 3 big hits and don't feel buzzed but a bit cheery and the arthritis pain is noticably less. Picking up a couple big bars of 70% Belgian chocolate at the bargain store tomorrow and making some nice chocolates in the little gummie molds I got. Tested them for volume today too and they are 5ml each and 15 to a flat and have 2 so 30 pieces and 150ml total. I found a place that sells big flats online and can get ones with the Canadian symbols for CBD and THC but $40 or so US so $100+ plus shipping.

Think it's time for a toke I can catch a buzz off of. :)

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Edit: Forgot the final pic. Weight with oil is 91.8g and written on the beaker.

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shredder4

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Grinding it exposes a lot more plant material to the solvent, be it butter or ISO or naphtha that will contaminate the final product. This is not terribly important when the product is destined for edibles but does add to the nasty taste. If making oil for smoking then it's more of a big deal.

I just made a small batch of CBD oil starting with 75g of bud and sugar trim. I put it in a big glass pitcher the using the handle end of a big wooden mallet mash it down, stir with the end of the handle and keep doing that until it's all no more than pea sized chunks. Then I soak it with ISO a couple of inches over the pot, stir for a minute then pour through a fine strainer into another pitcher so I can get it out quicker. Ad more ISo, quick stir for a few seconds then once more. I'll leave all the liquid to settle out the fines then run it through a coffee filter folded into a cone for the funnel. Regular funnels are smooth inside so I ran 6 or 7 beads up from the hole in the bottom about 3" up all around so the paper isn't plastered up flat against the plastic and there's more surface area for the liquid to get thru the paper.

Pitcher loaded.

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All mashed down.

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All ready to get the ball rolling.

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I could use some practise with a glue gun. :)

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Cooking it nice and checking it twice. Once the last of the iso was gone I heated her up to 250F and decarbed right there. Get good control of the heat with the hotplate plugged into my variac. Looks to be 15 - 20ml but I forgot to weigh the damn beaker before starting that part so will have to weigh once cleaned out to know exactly how much I got. I used 3 - 500ml bottles of 99% ISO and got 2.5 back. I kept the wet pot in the pitcher and sealed it with some Glad Press'N Seal over the irregularly shaped top so it's airtight. It's just like the parafilm we used in the lab but thinner and prolly a hell of a lot cheaper. I can dump that in the other still and cook out the ISO. That countertop one won't heat up without liquid in it but the other goes on a hotplate and I tell it what to do.

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Tried smoking some of the oil off a cig. Did 3 big hits and don't feel buzzed but a bit cheery and the arthritis pain is noticably less. Picking up a couple big bars of 70% Belgian chocolate at the bargain store tomorrow and making some nice chocolates in the little gummie molds I got. Tested them for volume today too and they are 5ml each and 15 to a flat and have 2 so 30 pieces and 150ml total. I found a place that sells big flats online and can get ones with the Canadian symbols for CBD and THC but $40 or so US so $100+ plus shipping.

Think it's time for a toke I can catch a buzz off of. :)

:peace:

Edit: Forgot the final pic. Weight with oil is 91.8g and written on the beaker.

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Have you tried winterizing your oil? Its an extra step but its worth it if your using iso.

Basically when your done dilute it with ethanol (grain alcohol) freeze it for 3 days, filter again cold and finish like you did with iso.

The ethanol pulls out most of the plant wax. Some will freeze to the glass and the rest gets caught in the filter. And if there's even a hint of iso left it will be in the plant wax and filtered out.

 
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OldMedUser

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Have you tried winterizing your oil? Its an extra step but its worth it if your using iso.

Basically when your done dilute it with ethanol (grain alcohol) freeze it for 3 days, filter again cold and finish like you did with iso.

The ethanol pulls out most of the plant wax. Some will freeze to the glass and the rest gets caught in the filter. And if there's even a hint of iso left it will be in the plant wax and filtered out.

No need to do that for oil meant for edibles. I know all about winterizing and as a non-practising alcoholic with almost a year sober I won't have alcohol in the house.

Easier than winterizing is to add some naphtha to a my iso oil that's still in some iso in an empty plastic liquor bottle shake it like crazy for a few min a few times then allow it to separate, freeze that and just pour the naphtha/oil off the top and get rid of the naphtha. Nice clean honey oil for toking. All the waxes and other gunk are left in the bottle to be tossed in the trash.

1g of that mixed with about 4 - 5g of kief in a warm pie plate makes nice gummy black hash that is a joy to toke and rare as hens teeth these days around here if ever seen.

The real fresh oil is for dabbing etc and the older and darker stuff makes tasty hash.

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ShowMeDaBudz

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I only use ghee or MCT because ghee is cheap locally and saves me a step.

On a side note, using the max pressure cook setting on an Instant Pot is right at 240F. Its quite simple to do the entire decarb/extraction in a Instant Pot with a Mason jar. Almost zero smell to deal with too. Decarb in the jar with a band/lid for 30min and a natural release. Remove the jar when cooled and add your oil. Set to slow cooker (low) function for a 2-4 hours then strain.

The beauty of this method is it all stays in the jar during the entire process.
 
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