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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CCGNZ said:
If only we could redo 2016, no Comey re-opening email BS,no "deplorables" quote by Hillary or Joe throws his hat in and would be finishing up his 2nd term now possibly. Where would the McCarthy's,Jordan's,Greene's,Goetz's,Boebert'sand others be now???????Had a certain dickhead not set foot in the Oval Office what revisionist history would we have today?
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In the long run America will grow from it and become a better place, Trump just brought the national polarization to an ugly head. I figure he will move up the pace of social and political change in America by a decade or more by destroying the republican party on his way down. He might have given ya the breathing room needed for generational and demographic change to take hold. Mitch wanted to strangle American democracy in it's sleep, but Trump and J6 woke up many patriots and the fight is on for the soul of the nation. If it wasn't for covid, he'd be president today and you would be really fucked, so would we and so would Ukraine!
 
sunni

sunni

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Fogdog said:
Hence the contempt. In his case deservedly so.

Oops, now I'm going to be accused of being unpatriotic. Maybe get told I don't love this country, :roll:
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I used to be a very patriotic Canadian in the sense I thought Canada was better than many other countries, and did better and does better and they couldn't be better, and that's far from the reality of it.

I would think I likely was young and didn't know too much than I started getting educated and realizing that Canada often likes to Sweep issues under the rug and will look at other countries and blame them for wrong doings while not doing the rights they need to in Canada. They often look outward instead of actually looking within to fix our own countries issues.

A lot of this stems from the current systemic poverty and racism within our indigenous communities how much we have and still are racist towards them in current Canadian issues, but we also have large health care issues, and others.

Being Free and living in a country where we can point out the issues and try to make changes and push for change is what being free and actually patriotic is.

If we just accept that everything is perfect or we are doing the right thing, were better than others, that we don't need to change but we double down on our ideals like the gun issues America has .
when we aren't changing the wrongs and hurting our countries marginalized communities than we really aren't patriotic or free, we are disillusion by propaganda and incorrect news and people and higher-ups and governments that are sweeping things under rugs.

You should be able to question things in a free country and work towards change.
You should know that x amount of years of children been fucking massacred in schools that guns are apart of an issue but refusing to change anything is not patriotic its being ignorant. its doubling down on a system that doesn't work
When people who don't have insurance but go to an er and than are dumped out on the street in -30 weather that's wrong. that's a system problem.

I think its not always one or two things but a multitude of issues brought on by a system that needs changing.

But ultimately governments don't wanna change anything. sadly. Im rambling lol
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Fogdog said:
Hence the contempt. In his case deservedly so.

Oops, now I'm going to be accused of being unpatriotic. Maybe get told I don't love this country, :roll:
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You may not be a “real American” by padawan’s definition but you are by mine.

I don’t have any contempt so if that is perceived, I want to clarify. The political shit storm, caused primarily by the Republican Party often times angers me because I think about the impact it has on people I care about. I’ve lived in the US, have family and friends living there and the two most important people in my life are also American citizens.

No contempt here, just concern.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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sunni said:
I used to be a very patriotic Canadian in the sense I thought Canada was better than many other countries, and did better and does better and they couldn't be better, and that's far from the reality of it.

I would think I likely was young and didn't know too much than I started getting educated and realizing that Canada often likes to Sweep issues under the rug and will look at other countries and blame them for wrong doings while not doing the rights they need to in Canada. They often look outward instead of actually looking within to fix our own countries issues.

A lot of this stems from the current systemic poverty and racism within our indigenous communities how much we have and still are racist towards them in current Canadian issues, but we also have large health care issues, and others.

Being Free and living in a country where we can point out the issues and try to make changes and push for change is what being free and actually patriotic is.

If we just accept that everything is perfect or we are doing the right thing, were better than others, that we don't need to change but we double down on our ideals like the gun issues America has .
when we aren't changing the wrongs and hurting our countries marginalized communities than we really aren't patriotic or free, we are disillusion by propaganda and incorrect news and people and higher-ups and governments that are sweeping things under rugs.

You should be able to question things in a free country and work towards change.
You should know that x amount of years of children been fucking massacred in schools that guns are apart of an issue but refusing to change anything is not patriotic its being ignorant. its doubling down on a system that doesn't work
When people who don't have insurance but go to an er and than are dumped out on the street in -30 weather that's wrong. that's a system problem.

I think its not always one or two things but a multitude of issues brought on by a system that needs changing.

But ultimately governments don't wanna change anything. sadly. Im rambling lol
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Not rambling.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
This suggests that detection wasn’t the issue; communication was.

amp.cnn.com

Exclusive: US intel assessment documents Chinese spy balloon incident under Trump | CNN Politics

A US military intelligence report from last year that focused on China’s use of high-altitude balloons mentioned sightings in Hawaii and Florida during the Trump presidency, according to an excerpt of the report reviewed by CNN.
amp.cnn.com amp.cnn.com

Fwiw the highest documented balloon flight was a Nasa “BU-60” that made it to 173000 ft (50+ km)
 
printer

printer

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Navy releases images of downed Chinese balloon
The Navy on Tuesday released images of sailors pulling from the ocean some of the remains of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon a day after it was shot down off the coast of South Carolina.

In photos posted to Twitter by U.S. Fleet Forces, sailors assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Group 2 are seen recovering a piece of the balloon on Sunday in the waters off Myrtle Beach.

The Navy is still in the midst of the cleanup, which began Sunday after the balloon was downed by an F-22 on Saturday seven miles off the coast. Sailors aboard several ships continue to scan for debris of the estimated 200-foot aerial object that spent days floating over the country. Also on the balloon was a device roughly the size of a regional jet, U.S. Northern Command head Gen. Glen VanHerck told reporters Monday.

Authorities have advised civilians to not touch possible balloon fragments that may make it to the coastline as they are “are part of a federal investigation and tampering could interfere in that investigation,” according to the Myrtle Beach city government.
The balloon incident has set off harsh criticisms of the Biden administration by Republican lawmakers — and some Democrats — for what they are calling a failure to protect national security as the object flew over the country for a week before it was brought down.

Lawmakers on Monday announced they plan to probe the administration for allowing a foreign adversary’s surveillance device to breach U.S. airspace.

White House and defense officials, however, say it was not safe to bring down the balloon until it was over the ocean and that it did not pose a safety or security threat in the meantime.

The incident has also revealed previous cases of Chinese spy balloons flying over the United States, including at least three instances during the Trump administration. Officials say the incidents were discovered after the prior administration left.
thehill.com

Navy releases images of downed Chinese balloon

The Navy on Tuesday released images of sailors pulling from the ocean some of the remains of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon a day after it was shot down off the coast of South Carolina.&n…
thehill.com thehill.com
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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CunningCanuk said:
You may not be a “real American” by padawan’s definition but you are by mine.

I don’t have any contempt so if that is perceived, I want to clarify. The political shit storm, caused primarily by the Republican Party often times angers me because I think about the impact it has on people I care about. I’ve lived in the US, have family and friends living there and the two most important people in my life are also American citizens.

No contempt here, just concern.
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It was pad that accused Canadians of contempt for the US. It was a grievance that like all good propaganda has a seed of truth but in whole is false. When called out for it, he lashed back, doubling down on his pugnacious nationalism. To me and apparently others, it was an ugly display.

He doesn't see it that way, though. He wraps his nationalist grievances around him as protection from reality.
 
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schuylaar

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Hotrod2 said:
Canada is way too liberal for the constitutional Republic of the United States of America. I personally resent people from outside of my country trying to tell me what's good for me.
Canada in itself is a very weak country only made Strong by the presence of the United States. Canada actively denies rights of the citizens and suppresses people's freedoms in order to gain control of the current population.
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Why did you capitalize strong? Why did you not capitalize Constitutional?
 
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schuylaar

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printer said:


Navy releases images of downed Chinese balloon
The Navy on Tuesday released images of sailors pulling from the ocean some of the remains of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon a day after it was shot down off the coast of South Carolina.

In photos posted to Twitter by U.S. Fleet Forces, sailors assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Group 2 are seen recovering a piece of the balloon on Sunday in the waters off Myrtle Beach.

The Navy is still in the midst of the cleanup, which began Sunday after the balloon was downed by an F-22 on Saturday seven miles off the coast. Sailors aboard several ships continue to scan for debris of the estimated 200-foot aerial object that spent days floating over the country. Also on the balloon was a device roughly the size of a regional jet, U.S. Northern Command head Gen. Glen VanHerck told reporters Monday.

Authorities have advised civilians to not touch possible balloon fragments that may make it to the coastline as they are “are part of a federal investigation and tampering could interfere in that investigation,” according to the Myrtle Beach city government.
The balloon incident has set off harsh criticisms of the Biden administration by Republican lawmakers — and some Democrats — for what they are calling a failure to protect national security as the object flew over the country for a week before it was brought down.

Lawmakers on Monday announced they plan to probe the administration for allowing a foreign adversary’s surveillance device to breach U.S. airspace.

White House and defense officials, however, say it was not safe to bring down the balloon until it was over the ocean and that it did not pose a safety or security threat in the meantime.

The incident has also revealed previous cases of Chinese spy balloons flying over the United States, including at least three instances during the Trump administration. Officials say the incidents were discovered after the prior administration left.
thehill.com

Navy releases images of downed Chinese balloon

The Navy on Tuesday released images of sailors pulling from the ocean some of the remains of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon a day after it was shot down off the coast of South Carolina.&n…
thehill.com thehill.com
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For the Biden haters? The okay to destroy was Wednesday and the Pentagon chose to wait until it was in open waters.

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www.express.co.uk

Republicans clash as three Chinese spy balloons entered US under Trump

Trump's defenders claim that a Chinese spy balloon would never cross into US airspace on his watch - turns out it did, thrice.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

Just a reminder this did happen.
 
Hotrod2

Hotrod2

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cannabineer said:
While I have your attention, how about specifying the freedoms Canada does not grant its citizens?
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The big one for me is the strict limit on the use of firearms. I also wonder if people who have religious convictions against homosexuality are required to help pay people's medical bills who want to have transgender surgeries. So that for me would be a restriction on the freedom of religion. From what I've seen Canada has historically dehumanized the natives. While they may live on what could be considered a reservation the land is in fact owned by the crown or the government.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Hotrod2 said:
The big one for me is the strict limit on the use of firearms. I also wonder if people who have religious convictions against homosexuality are required to help pay people's medical bills who want to have transgender surgeries. So that for me would be a restriction on the freedom of religion. From what I've seen Canada has historically dehumanized the natives. While they may live on what could be considered a reservation the land is in fact owned by the crown or the government.
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People who have religious delusions against homosexuality have swallowed the disinformation built by a millennium of liars in black robes. There is no scriptural proscription on same-sex sex.

In any case, religion is a bad basis for government no matter how you slice it.
 
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