Spy Balloon!

bam0813

bam0813

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How do you use an objects of known size and unknown altitude for scale against an object of estimated size and at different distance and altitude ?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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What's baffling me about all this, is that China makes some of the best optics in the World (well, Germany too), and China has about 400 sats in orbit as we speak. Our (US) sats can see your shoelaces, so if they have something even remotely close to the same optics as we do, then why send surveillance balloons? Even if they were weather balloons, they should at least have given other Countries a heads up "Hey!.. we're sending baroons.. so, look out and stuff!" I understand that late last year they sent up the 33rd Yaogan spy satellite, which we know little about.
 
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Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/02/12/gop-chairman-mike-turner-unidentified-object-us-military-shot-down-sotu-intv-vpx.cnn
Well make up the man's mind, for fuck's sake...Is he irresponsible and unconcerned about the safety of American citizens and the security of it's borders? Or is he "Trigger Happy" ? Why don't you sharpen both sides of your tongue? Fucking hypocrites.
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Oh my. He can't decide what message he wants to give. It's the spaghetti argument. Throw a potful of arguments against the wall and see what sticks. I'd be embarrassed if a Democrat had said that. As it is, I'm mortified his title has the word "intelligence" in it.
 
Fogdog

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
What's baffling me about all this, is that China makes some of the best optics in the World (well, Germany too), and China has about 400 sats in orbit as we speak. Our (US) sats can see your shoelaces, so if they have something even remotely close to the same optics as we do, then why send surveillance balloons? Even if they were weather balloons, they should at least have given other Countries a heads up "Hey!.. we're sending baroons.. so, look out and stuff!" I understand that late last year they sent up the 33rd Yaogan spy satellite, which we know little about.
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two things. First, don't mock a person's accent. It carries the whiff of racism. Avoid gratuitous insults. Unless that's your purpose and I don't think it is. This is 2023. Grow up, old man.

Second and more to the point of your question. The array wasn't an optical one. It was a sensor array to intercept communications and transmit the intercepted communications to a receiver in China. Or, that was what the first spy balloon carried. They haven't said what the other two or three balloons were for.
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
except the Raptor shown is at the target’s altitude plus-minus 2%.
You keep making nonqualifying comparisons.
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You don't know how far away it was from the balloon, do you? If it's close then you are correct. I just couldn't say from the photo you gave. The array sitting underneath the balloon seems to me to be a better scaling factor.
 
Fogdog

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
With binocs... very easily.
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Seems appropriate for the day:

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When you first made your statement, you were pretty obviously referring to a pilot in a cockpit who would almost never be using binocs while in the pilot's seat. You moved the goalpost just to "win" the argument. I hate seeing a person soil theirself making a bad argument when they could have just agreed they might be wrong. It wouldn't have cost you anything but no, you had to double down with a false debate tactic.

I put you on ignore earlier because of these bullshit tactics. I'm starting to regret taking you off.
 
bam0813

bam0813

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I understand stand what your saying there but don’t planes have radar and such for this. I mean im obviously not a pilot but don’t they “see” other planes objects from miles away on it?
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
You don't know how far away it was from the balloon, do you? If it's close then you are correct. I just couldn't say from the photo you gave. The array sitting underneath the balloon seems to me to be a better scaling factor.
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It matches the photos with the horizontal missile contrail; I’m going by that.

The array under the ballon — simply looking at it I can’t tell if it is 20 or 200 feet long. After reading journalists get scale amazingly wrong on the regular when describing astronomy I know like the back of my hand, I take their bus comparison with a block of salt. I trust the jet much more for scale.

Here is the ballon over a jetliner, which on a continental trip is probably at an altitude a little more than half the balloon’s. A 757 has a wingspan of 124 ft.

 
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Drop That Sound

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They didn't see it because first of all.. its an inside job like 9/11 (they knew where the planes were heading, just like the balloons), and second of all, they've have cylindrical looking cloaking tech that covers the balloons sinc ebefore the Philadelphia experiment days. Also, there's no space security force to pick up on it, because space doesn't exist, and all the so called satellites are really just balloons, and always have been. Sometimes the solar panels get covered in crud and quit producing enough helium and energy to cloak, and so they call it a "UFO" if we happen to see it. This time is different though, they are purposefully using the uncloaked balloons to stage a false flag event.
 
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