Growing landrace indoors & Hermaphroditism

[PopAndSonGrows]

Hey guys, just looking for some advice from those of you experienced with growing landrace indoors.

OK so, I've been looking into them more & more lately, all the recommended sources here, among others. ... And what I'm starting to find more often than not, growing landrace indoors = herming. Like, it almost seems imminent based on some breeder's description ---- which, by the way, I appreciate a breeder declaring such a thing. Like, maybe the plant doesn't react well to a "synthesized" environment?

Any insight on this would be great. I'm interested in getting something different than typical "fruity gas" polyhybrids & fucking with something. . ... older?

 

[T macc]

Afaik, you'll need to sift thru them and breed the qualities you seek. Take Tom Hill's work for example, he open pollinated towards traits he desired. Creating an f5 and crossing it back to f3 to create f6 and so on. Land races may have their problems until it bred into something reliable.

Good luck with the grow! Finding a keeper may be the crapshoot

 

[PopAndSonGrows]

Afaik, you'll need to sift thru them and breed the qualities you seek. Take Tom Hill's work for example, he open pollinated towards traits he desired. Creating an f5 and crossing it back to f3 to create f6 and so on. Land races may have their problems until it bred into something reliable.

Good luck with the grow! Finding a keeper may be the crapshoot

So, generally speaking, landrace are the "building blocks" for indoor breeding?

But what about just growing them to smoke? It still seems like I will have to certainly weed out (no pun intended) the unstable variants?

 

[BeauVida]

It's not landrace unless you bury it with a cobra.

 

[BongerChonger]

growing landrace indoors = herming. Like, it almost seems imminent based on some breeder's description ---- Like, maybe the plant doesn't react well to a "synthesized" environment?

It's not the plant's environment. It's the natural presence and % of monoecious plants in the gene pool or population. (Dioecious vs Monoecious)
It's natural.
There'll naturally be more hermaphrodite (monoecious) plants than usual, because theoretically, there hasn't been the same amount of selective breeding.

It still seems like I will have to certainly weed out (no pun intended) the unstable variants?

Hard Apparent Fact: you can't rightly tell between an intersex plant and a female, until it visually appears in it's inflorescences.
Hermaphrodite plants will appear as XX chromosome. Lab tests can't yet sift them out. (afaik)
That's one of the main reasons for ruthless testing and sifting.
Environment theoretically cannot change a plants gender either. Or force a dioecious plant to spontaneously express or show monoecious inflorescences.
But...environment does indeed influence a plants own expression!
Hence why environment can cause a seemingly female plant to spontaneously herm. It was hermaphrodite the whole time. If categorizing by it's inflorescence. (which is a main method of taxonomy in plants)
By definition a plant with both male and female flowers is monoecious.

So, generally speaking, landrace are the "building blocks" for indoor breeding?

Cannabis has been cultivated for that long, it really depends on what you consider to be Landrace.
Though the hope through stabilizing, then crossing them, is to achieve good Hybrid Vigour.

---- which, by the way, I appreciate a breeder declaring such a thing.

And appreciate they've already done some sifting!

 

[PopAndSonGrows]

@BongerChonger well said, thank you!

 

[conor c]

Not all landrace herms just lots do especially indoors when you consider its an unnatural environment your throwing them into makes sense those genes gonna be expressed so you gotta pop lots find the good phenos and look for the stable sexually firm ones and select hard for that and as bongerchonger said true full on herms are rare what most plants are showing are monoecious traits true herms show both male and female parts on the same flower where as monoecious plants show Male and female parts on different parts of the plant by definition and they need to have these genes in the first place indoors is just a good trigger for them it seems

 

[BongerChonger]

@BongerChonger well said, thank you!

I've included some of the source material I can find, that I've saved. I find genetics fascinating and am always happy to share. Always reading about it.

Also, I want to say again that classification is important when it comes to this topic. By definition any plant with the presence of male and female flowers is classified as monoecious. Whether perfectly formed, or not.
"Hermaphrodite" is the wrong term to use, really. But it's the one that's generally thrown around nonetheless.
I mean, what is a "perfectly formed" (hermaphrodite) Cannabis flower anyway.....a female flower with bananas aka nanners, not balls?
See what I mean...

It's the reproductive side of things, that's most important to remember in my opinion. Dioecious plants can't reproduce on their own. Or grow opposite sex flowers / organs naturally. It's the nature of dioecy.
You can't classify a female plant that grows a few balls or nanners from time to time as Dioecious. Because evidently it isn't.
If you were "sifting" out intersex traits, plants like this would go, or not be selected to breed with.

Furthermore, it's the point I was trying to make, that we can't rightly tell a female cannabis plant from a monoecious or hermaphrodite one, until it visually shows.
It's all the more reason for stress testing. As environment can and does influence a plants own expression. (light in particular it would seem)

I want to be clear too. I'm not knocking hermie plants, not my intention.
If anything, they've been an important tool to the species survival.

---- which, by the way, I appreciate a breeder declaring such a thing.

Same. Honesty goes a long way.
A lot of growers get a herm or two and are too quick to blame the breeder.
Like yourself, I think, I'm thankful there are breeders like that, putting in some of the work and sharing.