Examples of Democratic Party leadership

[doublejj]

RFK Jr. says COVID was ‘ethnically targeted’ to spare Jews

Exclusive | RFK Jr. says COVID may have been ‘ethnically targeted’ to spare Jews

Kennedy — a longtime aficionado of conspiracy theories — floated the idea during a question and answer portion of a raucous booze and fart filled dinner at Tony’s Di Napoli on the Upper East …

nypost.com

 

[Fogdog]

LOL, no pardon is necessary, but thanks for the offer.

The subject of your post is interesting, it's congruent to progressives that seem to have a hereditary gene of hesitancy, though I also could be wrong.

I allow for the possibility that Robert Jr. was badly raised. You are again picking and choosing from what people say to make a false point. I was hoping you were capable of honesty but you proved me wrong.

Well, I'm off to the Public Recycling Center to drop off my yard waste and pick up a yard of compost that the PRC makes from yard waste that people like me drop off. It's going to be in the 90's this afternoon, so I've got to get going while it's still cool. It hasn't been fun reading your falsehoods, try to do better. It wasn't what I'd call sparring. It's more like listening to Fox News, which makes people less informed.

 

[Budley Doright]

How do you feel about Fauci, Gates and Biden spreading false info?

I’m sorry if my question was too difficult for you to answer . Anywho, I would feel that they should get the facts straight if they actually spread falsehoods, but I’m not aware of any.

 

[garybo]

I allow for the possibility that Robert Jr. was badly raised. You are again picking and choosing from what people say to make a false point. I was hoping you were capable of honesty but you proved me wrong.

Well, I'm off to the Public Recycling Center to drop off my yard waste and pick up a yard of compost that the PRC makes from yard waste that people like me drop off. It's going to be in the 90's this afternoon, so I've got to get going while it's still cool. It hasn't been fun reading your falsehoods, try to do better. It wasn't what I'd call sparring. It's more like listening to Fox News, which makes people less informed.

Just got in from yard mowing, beat the rain.

I don't do fox, Rupert Murdoch's crew speaks with a forked tongue. My news comes from our local ABC station and the net.

Anyway, it's a bummer you weren having fun reading my "falsehoods" ???. I'll be sure to take your advise about trying to do better. I can get overbearing sometime, the wife has even told me so.

So, should we cross paths again, I'll try to be less enthusiastic with my beliefs.

 

[cannabineer]

Anyway, it's a bummer you weren having fun reading my "falsehoods" ???.

Did I miss it? Did you specify with links?

 

[garybo]

@Fogdog, forget to ask. What news station would you suggess one listens to (or watch). I've always admired your advice and point of view.
Seems like as I switch to a different channel, the subject is often different that others.

Did I miss it? Did you specify with links?

Which news channel or station do you recommend to get the most accurate news?

 

[garybo]

OK, I'll start, this is where I start and then work my way into the web.

Statement by President Joe Biden on 700,000 American Deaths from COVID-19 | The White House

To heal we must remember, and as our nation mourns the painful milestone of 700,000 American deaths due to COVID-19, we must not become numb to the

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[cannabineer]

@Fogdog, forget to ask. What news station would you suggess one listens to (or watch). I've always admired your advice and point of view.
Seems like as I switch to a different channel, the subject is often different that others.

Which news channel or station do you recommend to get the most accurate news?

I asked YOU for your info. On what linkable basis do you assign which falsehoods?

Instead of probing me, do disclose your sources for your controversial assertions. I have only encountered them so far from known bad sites; I won’t specify before you commit.

 

[topcat]

 

[CANON_Grow]

I’m sorry if my question was too difficult for you to answer . Anywho, I would feel that they should get the facts straight if they actually spread falsehoods, but I’m not aware of any.

Fauci 100% misled the public about masks initially, unfortunately. It was a HUGE blunder because it gave legitimacy to all the deniers regarding any and all advice after that. I wouldn't compare what he did to the bat shit crazy stuff spread by others, but he isn't faultless.

"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts “were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”

Fauci: why the public wasn’t told to wear masks when the coronavirus pandemic began

The infectious disease expert also discussed why they are necessary.

thehill.com

 

[cannabineer]

Fauci 100% misled the public about masks initially, unfortunately. It was a HUGE blunder because it gave legitimacy to all the deniers regarding any and all advice after that. I wouldn't compare what he did to the bat shit crazy stuff spread by others, but he isn't faultless.

"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts “were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”

Fauci: why the public wasn’t told to wear masks when the coronavirus pandemic began

The infectious disease expert also discussed why they are necessary.

thehill.com

Is that really misleading, or is it triage?

 

[Fogdog]

@Fogdog, forget to ask. What news station would you suggess one listens to (or watch). I've always admired your advice and point of view.
Seems like as I switch to a different channel, the subject is often different that others.

Which news channel or station do you recommend to get the most accurate news?

I don't own a TV or watch news. Most of my news comes from reading. WaPo, NYT, Financial Times are most commonly the sources I use. I listen to NPR a lot. But really, I don't rely on just one source. Most times, I check across several sources before I'm comfortable talking about politics or current events. Sometimes I go to Fox or listen to right wing radio shows to see what they are saying. For online news, I use google news (aggregator), AP, Reuters and Huffington Post, though that one's bias makes it more like Fox except they are mostly just biased and not nearly as bad about posting fake news.

 

[CANON_Grow]

Is that really misleading, or is it triage?

There is no getting around it being misleading. Would you be okay if it came out that they knew for certain that there was far higher numbers of adverse reactions to the vaccine but thought they would save more people by keeping quiet about it? The most important rules to guide public health should be don't lie or mislead.

Need to mention what is known about how hospitals receive PPE in hindsight. There was zero chance that telling the public masks helped as soon as they knew, would risk hospital PPE. They had the tools to force manufacturers to supply the health care system before anyone else.

I don't expect anyone to always be correct, especially at the height of the pandemic; but I feel it's important to acknowledge when they screwed up. It was an important lesson on communication during a public health emergency and hopefully improves for the next one.

 

[cannabineer]

There is no getting around it being misleading. Would you be okay if it came out that they knew for certain that there was far higher numbers of adverse reactions to the vaccine but thought they would save more people by keeping quiet about it? The most important rules to guide public health should be don't lie or mislead.

Need to mention what is known about how hospitals receive PPE in hindsight. There was zero chance that telling the public masks helped as soon as they knew, would risk hospital PPE. They had the tools to force manufacturers to supply the health care system before anyone else.

I don't expect anyone to always be correct, especially at the height of the pandemic; but I feel it's important to acknowledge when they screwed up. It was an important lesson on communication during a public health emergency and hopefully improves for the next one.

I got the opposite of the bolded from the excerpt. I admit ignorance regarding the bit before: about how hospitals get their PPE. Can you expand?

One thing I do remember is that one domestic maskmaker asked Washington if they should get on making more masks. However the lead time was four or five months, and Washington placed no order. No order, no committing to making the masks.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

How do you feel about Fauci, Gates and Biden spreading false info?

that that's a bunch of ignorant horseshit.
Gates is a private citizen, who is not running for office, and i haven't seen much evidence of him spreading lies... Biden sometimes get's a little enthusiastic and exaggerates....as far as i've EVER seen, Fauci is an honest man being maligned by malignant republican cocksuckers...Flat out lying fucks who just shit all over a good man to support their fascist, ignorant agenda, and other stupid cocksuckers just believe them because they're too stupid to realize when they're being shamelessly manipulated.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Robert Kennedy jr. doesn't have the honesty gene. Jr's dad certainly did. Sometimes genes are damaged or lost during transcription. Or maybe he was raised badly like Trump was. IDK.

Robert Jr is as fruity as Flynn. Most of the Republican Party are. Whatever happened to the Republican Party? Liz Cheney and a few others who, though I disagree with their policies, managed to avoid the craziness embodied in today's MAGA GOP fascist party, who are not conservative but fascist.

So, pardon me if I generalize. Not all Republicans are fascist and divorced from reality. Which is why I let you know that your post regarding Biden indicated you might have a healthy truth gene. But I could be wrong.

i think you were wrong...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Fauci 100% misled the public about masks initially, unfortunately. It was a HUGE blunder because it gave legitimacy to all the deniers regarding any and all advice after that. I wouldn't compare what he did to the bat shit crazy stuff spread by others, but he isn't faultless.

"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts “were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”

Fauci: why the public wasn’t told to wear masks when the coronavirus pandemic began

The infectious disease expert also discussed why they are necessary.

thehill.com

That hardly seems in the same league at all as drinking bleach to wash down horse wormer with a uv light stuck up your ass, but w/e.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

@Fogdog, forget to ask. What news station would you suggess one listens to (or watch). I've always admired your advice and point of view.
Seems like as I switch to a different channel, the subject is often different that others.

Which news channel or station do you recommend to get the most accurate news?

NPR, PBS, Reuters, AP, Al Jazeera, NYT, London times, VOA, The Hill is ok, I've recently started looking at "the dispatch", Bloomberg and axios are pretty reliable...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

There is no getting around it being misleading. Would you be okay if it came out that they knew for certain that there was far higher numbers of adverse reactions to the vaccine but thought they would save more people by keeping quiet about it? The most important rules to guide public health should be don't lie or mislead.

Need to mention what is known about how hospitals receive PPE in hindsight. There was zero chance that telling the public masks helped as soon as they knew, would risk hospital PPE. They had the tools to force manufacturers to supply the health care system before anyone else.

I don't expect anyone to always be correct, especially at the height of the pandemic; but I feel it's important to acknowledge when they screwed up. It was an important lesson on communication during a public health emergency and hopefully improves for the next one.

Then you would have had every hoarding fuck in the country buying up every available mask, and storing them in closets, where they would never see the light of day again.

 

[doublejj]

Then you would have had every hoarding fuck in the country buying up every available mask, and storing them in closets, where they would never see the light of day again.