Growing Girls Scout Cookies (low yield?)

FirstCavApache64

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The original Girl Scout Cookies is a clone only strain. Many seed banks have reversed the clone using STS or other methods to turn the clone male from female and used the resulting pollen to pollinate the original clone. The seeds that result are S1 feminized seeds and usually produce plants close to the original clone only plant. They are not however the legit clone only. Seed banks should be honest and label them S1 so people know what they're getting. Nothing wrong at all running S1 seeds and occasionally plants are found in the S1 generation that exceed the parent.
 

Hunter66

Member
that plant will not be done by October it’s still actively flowering not even starting to ripen.
I am putting it at three weeks until I harvest, but I will go by the trichomes. When they are 50% cloudy I will harvest. I do not want the buds to get super ripe. I prefer to harvest a bit early. Also, I am pushing the process along by reducing the light to 12/12 before the natural light here actually turns to 12/12. I can only go by what the plants are telling me - how rapidly they are developing, and the other signs of maturity. If in three weeks they are not where I want them to be, I will wait to harvest. That would put them at ten weeks. It is interesting to know that GSC grown outdoors tends to be slow to finish. This plant seemed slow to start but suddenly kicked it up several notches after 5 weeks. Now it seems to visibly swell every day, so it appears it will catch up to the Sour Diesel, if it has not already done so.
 

Hunter66

Member
The original Girl Scout Cookies is a clone only strain. Many seed banks have reversed the clone using STS or other methods to turn the clone male from female and used the resulting pollen to pollinate the original clone. The seeds that result are S1 feminized seeds and usually produce plants close to the original clone only plant. They are not however the legit clone only. Seed banks should be honest and label them S1 so people know what they're getting. Nothing wrong at all running S1 seeds and occasionally plants are found in the S1 generation that exceed the parent.
This is the most informative post so far regarding my GSC dilemma. So it sounds like maybe the Maine Seedbank may not have been totally honest about their GSC seeds. I will be much more particular in the future, when buying ther seeds, as to the origins of their seeds. Thanks.
 

Grojak

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What cut of GSC were you told you have in these seeds? Definitely have not found forum cut if that pheno is to e found in those seeds. Photo is forum cut circa 20172E893952-E96F-4096-B389-20138B53E890.jpeg
 

Hunter66

Member
That plant has more than 4 weeks left with out any doubts. Likely 5-6 if it is kept healthy and in a good environment . It doesn’t know or care what week you started counting the flower period or how many weeks you think it is supposed to take to flower. Plants don’t use calendars they react to their environment.

Every plant grows differently in every environment.

I can also definitively say that your yield will be much better if you keep it healthy and harvest once it’s actually ripe.
Thanks for your input. Fortunately, my plants are extremely healthy. They have far outstripped my experience with indoor growing. Mind you, I was always happy with my indoor grows. But I had my bouts with the common problems associated with indoor problems - heat and humidity control, powdery mildew, etc. Last year, I had experience under my belt and had a killer indoor crop. So I know I can be successful with indoor grows. But so many people that I know here have incredible success with outdoor grows that I decided to give it a shot. I don't know if my yields will be as high as my indoor plants, but I have had no issues with my outdoor plants, and it appears that they will produce a very nice harvest of very nice bud. I am not intending to take these plants to the very end. When the trichomes are 50% cloudy, I will harvest. It looks like, based on my experience and what I am observing, that my plants will be where I want them to be in approximately three weeks. If it takes four weeks, so be it. In any case, I know that I am going to have a good supply of some good weed. Way more than I could consume myself. If my crop does not produce maximum yield, I don't care. I'm not selling the stuff. I'm more interested in harvesting at the point where I can expect to get the high that I want. For me, that is when the trichomes are 50% cloudy. When the plants reach that phase, I will harvest.
 

Hunter66

Member
What cut of GSC were you told you have in these seeds? Definitely have not found forum cut if that pheno is to e found in those seeds. Photo is forum cut circa 2017View attachment 5328221
Hi, and thanks so much for your input. To clarify, my GSC plant was a clone, taken from a mother plant that was grown from seed purchased as straight GSC from the Maine SeedBank. At this point, I am beginning to question whether the seeds were actually straight GSC, as some members have suggested might be the case. Many of us growers here rely on the Seed Bank for our seeds and clones. They have never steered me wrong in the past. But that's not to say that they couldn't make a mistake. What I do know is that my GSC plant shows the signs of what a GSC plant should look like, based on the information that I have found online. So based on that, and what I believe is the reliability of the Maine SeedBank, I have to assume that my clone is, in fact, a straight GSC clone. Whatever it is, it is producing some gorgeous, crystally buds. I don't like Indicas, but my sister prefers Indica. I am growing the plant for her. My Sour Diesel is for me, and it looks fantastic. Clearly will produce way more than I can consume in six months, or more. I couldn't be happier.
 

harris hawk

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So true! So many factors involved. It takes experience to produce a good crop. There is no substitute for experience. I learned alot after three years of growing indoors, but I'm still learning. This is my first outdoor grow, and I've been very lucky. No pests, ideal weather conditions and sun exposure, good soil, and good clones to start with. Its clear that my harvest will be much bigger than I hoped for. After this, I would not go back to indoor growing.
Yea - one learns something new after every grow !!!!
 

calvin.m16

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real or not GSC is not a high yielding plant. YOu have to pheno hunt by popping multiple seeds of each strain to find a high yielding plant OR risk contaminating your grow space and bring a clone in from someone that grew the plant previously with high yielding results.

I personally order minimum 5 seeds of each strain I plan to grow then I will clone each plant and number it, send to flower asap and whatever one produces the best quality, yield and growth characteristics will be kept, all the others get tossed out. Then I continue to clone that same cutting until I get bored of it or it stops producing which has happened with cuttings I repeatedly cloned for 5 years.
 

Bullmark

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Wow…..the group seems to really be attacking the OP, who simply wanted to keep fellow farmers from shying away from GSC, b/c of its low yielding reputation.
While I have to agree that the buds will need longer than 2 weeks, the OP isn’t seeking opinions on when the plant will be ripe. He/she has handled this unsolicited advice with best of manners.
It looks like the OP has the ability to move the plant inside or under shelter in the event of bad weather, which is a huge plus.
I’ve grown my fair share of plants outdoors and they were directly in the ground. There were times when the plants would have benefited from a little more time in the sun, but the weather forecast was a death wish. So, I harvested and the smoke was excellent…..never once did I think or hear from anyone else who smoked it, that it was lacking or immature.
Since we have opened this up to a ripening discussion, I’ll throw my 2cents in the hat:
It’s been my experience that basing ripeness on trichs is fine for a finished product that will get you plenty high….but not the main factor for truly mature/ripe buds.
My buddy just lost an entire huge section of an outdoor plant. A tree limb fell on it and snapped it. The plant was only in week 5 of flower……not as far along as the OP’s plant.
Anyway, he hung it for the hell of it and after drying for about 2 weeks, the buds were smoked by him and a few friends. They are all daily smokers with a good tolerance. They all reported that the taste was not what they are accustomed to but the high was surprisingly stout.
That said, in 2 weeks the OP plant may give him/her exactly what they’re hoping for…..as far as the effects….
But, the true potential and aesthetic qualities will not be realized until the buds go through the same basic progression as all do…..meaning the calyces swell, new pistil production stops except for a stray one here and there, the pistils turn brown/orange AND recede back into the calyces.
I’ve seen buds with mostly cloudy trichs and even a few ambers, that weren’t anywhere close to ripe. Those same buds had the same trich profile 2-3 weeks later when the buds were ripe.
I used to be a diehard believer that if there was single white pistil showing the plant was not ready. However, I’ve changed my belief just a bit on that particular subject.
It’s been my experience that the beginning of the window is better for the Terp retention.
Good luck to the OP…..you have a nice grow and it would be great if you sent more pics in a week or 2.
 

Tolerance Break

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Wow…..the group seems to really be attacking the OP, who simply wanted to keep fellow farmers from shying away from GSC, b/c of its low yielding reputation.
While I have to agree that the buds will need longer than 2 weeks, the OP isn’t seeking opinions on when the plant will be ripe. He/she has handled this unsolicited advice with best of manners.
It looks like the OP has the ability to move the plant inside or under shelter in the event of bad weather, which is a huge plus.
I’ve grown my fair share of plants outdoors and they were directly in the ground. There were times when the plants would have benefited from a little more time in the sun, but the weather forecast was a death wish. So, I harvested and the smoke was excellent…..never once did I think or hear from anyone else who smoked it, that it was lacking or immature.
Since we have opened this up to a ripening discussion, I’ll throw my 2cents in the hat:
It’s been my experience that basing ripeness on trichs is fine for a finished product that will get you plenty high….but not the main factor for truly mature/ripe buds.
My buddy just lost an entire huge section of an outdoor plant. A tree limb fell on it and snapped it. The plant was only in week 5 of flower……not as far along as the OP’s plant.
Anyway, he hung it for the hell of it and after drying for about 2 weeks, the buds were smoked by him and a few friends. They are all daily smokers with a good tolerance. They all reported that the taste was not what they are accustomed to but the high was surprisingly stout.
That said, in 2 weeks the OP plant may give him/her exactly what they’re hoping for…..as far as the effects….
But, the true potential and aesthetic qualities will not be realized until the buds go through the same basic progression as all do…..meaning the calyces swell, new pistil production stops except for a stray one here and there, the pistils turn brown/orange AND recede back into the calyces.
I’ve seen buds with mostly cloudy trichs and even a few ambers, that weren’t anywhere close to ripe. Those same buds had the same trich profile 2-3 weeks later when the buds were ripe.
I used to be a diehard believer that if there was single white pistil showing the plant was not ready. However, I’ve changed my belief just a bit on that particular subject.
It’s been my experience that the beginning of the window is better for the Terp retention.
Good luck to the OP…..you have a nice grow and it would be great if you sent more pics in a week or 2.
He said he's harvesting at 50% cloudy.
 

Hunter66

Member
real or not GSC is not a high yielding plant. YOu have to pheno hunt by popping multiple seeds of each strain to find a high yielding plant OR risk contaminating your grow space and bring a clone in from someone that grew the plant previously with high yielding results.

I personally order minimum 5 seeds of each strain I plan to grow then I will clone each plant and number it, send to flower asap and whatever one produces the best quality, yield and growth characteristics will be kept, all the others get tossed out. Then I continue to clone that same cutting until I get bored of it or it stops producing which has happened with cuttings I repeatedly cloned for 5 years.
I grew all my plants from clones I took from my first grow. That is when I was growing many plants per grow. Now, I've gotten lazy. It's so easy and cheap here to just go buy some new clones, and I am only going to be growing a couple plants per grow, that I will just go buy a couple of clones every Spring. Everybody and his brother are selling clones here. You can get a well developed clone here, by which I mean a foot tall, for $20. But as for my current grow, it's one GSC and one Sour Diesel. This is my first outdoor grow, and only my fourth year of growing. It has been a very good Summer here for outdoor grows. Both plants look fantastic. Beautiful colas on the SD. The GSC is a little bit behind the SD. However, the buds on the GSC are starting to fill in. At first, it was only buds like golf balls with long stretches of stem between bud sites. Now it is filling in nicely and turning into true colas, like the SD. I can see it won't out produce the SD, but still, it will be a more than acceptable yield of what is clearly going to be some really good pot. Both the GSC and SD buds are so frosty. And now, temps are dropping here into the 40s at night. Starting to see some expressions of purple in the leaves. The colder weather will cause trichome production to increase, although the buds are already super frosty and super smelly. As far as ultimate yield goes, I will not be disappointed with the GSC since I can see it will be a very respectable harvest. My final point being that, if treated well and properly, a GSC plant can produce a satisfactory yield of some good bud. Especially if you like Indica. My sister loves Indica and particularly likes GSC so I grew this one for her. She will have a six month supply at least from this GSC. And it's very rare to find it around here in the pot shops. Sometimes it isn't just about total yield.
 

Hunter66

Member
Wow…..the group seems to really be attacking the OP, who simply wanted to keep fellow farmers from shying away from GSC, b/c of its low yielding reputation.
While I have to agree that the buds will need longer than 2 weeks, the OP isn’t seeking opinions on when the plant will be ripe. He/she has handled this unsolicited advice with best of manners.
It looks like the OP has the ability to move the plant inside or under shelter in the event of bad weather, which is a huge plus.
I’ve grown my fair share of plants outdoors and they were directly in the ground. There were times when the plants would have benefited from a little more time in the sun, but the weather forecast was a death wish. So, I harvested and the smoke was excellent…..never once did I think or hear from anyone else who smoked it, that it was lacking or immature.
Since we have opened this up to a ripening discussion, I’ll throw my 2cents in the hat:
It’s been my experience that basing ripeness on trichs is fine for a finished product that will get you plenty high….but not the main factor for truly mature/ripe buds.
My buddy just lost an entire huge section of an outdoor plant. A tree limb fell on it and snapped it. The plant was only in week 5 of flower……not as far along as the OP’s plant.
Anyway, he hung it for the hell of it and after drying for about 2 weeks, the buds were smoked by him and a few friends. They are all daily smokers with a good tolerance. They all reported that the taste was not what they are accustomed to but the high was surprisingly stout.
That said, in 2 weeks the OP plant may give him/her exactly what they’re hoping for…..as far as the effects….
But, the true potential and aesthetic qualities will not be realized until the buds go through the same basic progression as all do…..meaning the calyces swell, new pistil production stops except for a stray one here and there, the pistils turn brown/orange AND recede back into the calyces.
I’ve seen buds with mostly cloudy trichs and even a few ambers, that weren’t anywhere close to ripe. Those same buds had the same trich profile 2-3 weeks later when the buds were ripe.
I used to be a diehard believer that if there was single white pistil showing the plant was not ready. However, I’ve changed my belief just a bit on that particular subject.
It’s been my experience that the beginning of the window is better for the Terp retention.
Good luck to the OP…..you have a nice grow and it would be great if you sent more pics in a week or 2.
I very much appreciate your post. I admit, I felt attacked from some of the responses I received to my post. As you so clearly recognized, my only purpose was to let some growers know that, based on my (admittedly limited) experience with GSC, it is not a terrible producer if treated well and properly. For those who like Indica, it supposedly produces a very nice product. My sister loves GSC but it is very rare to find it here in the pot shops. I grew this plant for her, and I put alot of love and care into her. She won't produce as much as my Sour Diesel, but still it will be a respectable yield.
Thank you for drawing attention to the original purpose of my initial post. I didn't realize that posting here would result in such negativity and controversy. As far as when my plants will be "ready", I am best qualified to judge since I am familiar with both the signs of maturity as well as what happens here in Maine when Summer turns to Fall, and how plants respond. Within the next few weeks, we will almost certainly get our first frost. Most outdoor growers here harvest with the first frost, or even let their plants grow through the first couple of frosts (which are usually mild). We are right on the verge of 12/12 daylight. That, combined with the sharp dropping temperatures, really kick plants into overdrive with respect to the finish. We have a beautiful week ahead here with sunny, warm days and chilly nights in the 40s predicted. I expect both plants to respond with some nice coloring, and increased trichome production. I am already seeing some expressions of purple from both plants. As far as the "ripeness" is concerned, I have come to believe that it takes experience and intuition born of experience to know when to harvest. So many factors are involved. And yet, some people tend to overthink it in pursuit of what they might consider to be perfection. I understand the desire to see a plant grown to "perfection", but if you have made it to the final weeks of flower, say the last week or two, it becomes only a matter of degree. If the pistils have all turned orange/brown, curled in, and the majority of trichomes are cloudy, you can expect to harvest some good bud. There are other factors that need to be considered, like climate, overall plant maturity, and what you are looking for in terms of psychoactive effect. Personally, I prefer to harvest early rather than late because I prefer the taste and I do not want any sedative effect. That's just my taste. So knowing when to harvest depends, in no small part, on what it is that you are hoping to achieve - a heady, cerebral and energetic high versus a sedative body buzz. Again, it takes experience to know when to harvest depending on what your personal preferences are.
I am personally not hung up on achieving "perfection" with my plants, by which most people seem to mean that point when THC production has peaked before beginning to degrade. For me, it is more about responding to the climate, knowing when to expect the first frost, and basically getting tired of taking care of the plants in general. Although I have found that outdoor grows take much less attention than indoor grows, it still takes work to have a nice grow. All of these factors have to be considered when it comes to harvesting.
Lastly, I just did some trimming of my Sour Diesel plant - a few bottom branches that I knew were not going to produce much. These were buds that were well developed, but small. After drying them out, I smoked a sample. The joint was extremely resined and I got a major buzz. The taste wasn't great but the buzz was definitely there. My point being that from this point on, I could harvest tomorrow and have some killer weed. Would the buds be as fat and heavy as if I waited until the last moment? Probably not. But as I keep saying, it's not all just about yield. It's about knowing what you want, what your particular growing situation is, and what your expectations are. If you know that your buds are almost ready, but you have a week of solid rain ahead, maybe it's time to harvest, even if they haven't achieved biological "perfection".
As you pointed out, my plants are in large pots which allows me to move them as necessary. As a result, I am able to reposition them to get maximum sun, which means 12 hours of full sun (assuming the sun is shining). Also, I can move them inside if necessary. This is why from now on, I will only grow outdoors in pots.
Anyway, I appreciate hearing from other growers as to their experience. But if we could keep it positive, I think alot more growers would feel inclined to post their thoughts, questions, and experiences. I am pretty hard skinned but after some of the responses I received I decided I would not post again to this forum. It was only because of your thoughtful post that I decided to stick it out. I may not be an expert (yet) at growing marijuana, but I am no dummy. Furthermore, while I only have four years of growing pot under my belt, my father was a horticulturist and growing plants of all kinds is in my blood. My father was actually a founding member of the International Lilac Society and even created a new Lilac strain called "Melissa" named after my sister. He received a Presidential award from Ronald Reagan for his contribution to the cultivation of Lilacs. I grew up surrounded by incredible gardens, made up of rare and exotic plants, many of which people did not think could thrive in Maine. I learned a great deal about horticulture from my father, as did my siblings. So, for all those who flooded me with negativity, or questioned my experience or knowledge, y'all can kiss my a**. And I mean that with the kindest sincerety.
 

Hunter66

Member
Wow…..the group seems to really be attacking the OP, who simply wanted to keep fellow farmers from shying away from GSC, b/c of its low yielding reputation.
While I have to agree that the buds will need longer than 2 weeks, the OP isn’t seeking opinions on when the plant will be ripe. He/she has handled this unsolicited advice with best of manners.
It looks like the OP has the ability to move the plant inside or under shelter in the event of bad weather, which is a huge plus.
I’ve grown my fair share of plants outdoors and they were directly in the ground. There were times when the plants would have benefited from a little more time in the sun, but the weather forecast was a death wish. So, I harvested and the smoke was excellent…..never once did I think or hear from anyone else who smoked it, that it was lacking or immature.
Since we have opened this up to a ripening discussion, I’ll throw my 2cents in the hat:
It’s been my experience that basing ripeness on trichs is fine for a finished product that will get you plenty high….but not the main factor for truly mature/ripe buds.
My buddy just lost an entire huge section of an outdoor plant. A tree limb fell on it and snapped it. The plant was only in week 5 of flower……not as far along as the OP’s plant.
Anyway, he hung it for the hell of it and after drying for about 2 weeks, the buds were smoked by him and a few friends. They are all daily smokers with a good tolerance. They all reported that the taste was not what they are accustomed to but the high was surprisingly stout.
That said, in 2 weeks the OP plant may give him/her exactly what they’re hoping for…..as far as the effects….
But, the true potential and aesthetic qualities will not be realized until the buds go through the same basic progression as all do…..meaning the calyces swell, new pistil production stops except for a stray one here and there, the pistils turn brown/orange AND recede back into the calyces.
I’ve seen buds with mostly cloudy trichs and even a few ambers, that weren’t anywhere close to ripe. Those same buds had the same trich profile 2-3 weeks later when the buds were ripe.
I used to be a diehard believer that if there was single white pistil showing the plant was not ready. However, I’ve changed my belief just a bit on that particular subject.
It’s been my experience that the beginning of the window is better for the Terp retention.
Good luck to the OP…..you have a nice grow and it would be great if you sent more pics in a week or 2.
Oh and by the way, I will definitely post some pictures of my plants within the next two weeks. There is no question that the Sour Diesel will finish in two weeks. The GSC may or may not finish as quickly, but if she continues to lag a bit behind the SD, I will bring her inside. That will only be if we start getting consistent frosts, which could conceivably happen here in Maine.
 

Hunter66

Member
He said he's harvesting at 50% cloudy.
That's correct, but I must admit that I don't just go entirely by the condition of the trichomes, as to when I finish. If I looks like the climate here will sustain it, (I'm in Maine) I might let things run a little longer. But I don't like bud that is over developed. I want as little of a sedative effect is possible. Also, I prefer the taste of bud that is harvested a bit early vs. a bit late. At this phase, I could harvest tomorrow and have some killer weed. Would I get maximum yield? No, probably not. I'm not all that tied up with maximum yield because maximum yield usually coincides with bud that is more sedative versus bud that is harvested a bit early. It really comes down to personal taste once flowers reach a certain stage. If the pistils have all turned, I generally start to expect to harvest in the very near future.
 

Hunter66

Member
Pic please, so many people think they know that they have and don’t……. Not throwing shade or saying you dk stuff lol
Lol! I apologize. This is virtually only the third forum I have ever joined. I will take some photos tomorrow and post them. But you raise a great point, which is that many growers claim to know what they have, when they really don't. I appreciate your not wanting to "throw shade" or suggesting that I don't know stuff. I only joined this forum because I wanted to share my experience with growing GSC. I was warned that GSC is not a good producer, but my GSC will clearly produce a respectable yield. Mind you, that is under near perfect growing conditions. As for how I know that I have a genuine GSC, it is a totality of circumstances. I totally trust the grower that I bought the GSC clone from, and the plant itself clearly supports that it is a genuine GSC plant. Mind you, I am going by images of GSC plants that I have seen online, as well as the known characteristics of GSC.
Anyway, I appreciate your post. I learn something from everything I read.
 

Hunter66

Member
He said he's harvesting at 50% cloudy.
As it turns out, I have missed the 50% cloudy window on some of my Sour Diesel. Some of the buds are showing 30% amber trichs. For my GSC, I see just a few amber trichs on the most developed buds. Tonight we may get pockets of mild frost in some areas. But temps will be in the 60s with lots of sun during the day. We will see what the climate transition does to the plants, but I have already missed the 50% cloudy trichome window.
 

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