Growing Landrace indoor -- WHY? What's the Appeal??

PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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As a relatively new grower, I'm curious what the appeal is with growing landrace varieties indoors? All i ever see is long, lanky leafy grassy plants. Hardly ever even see flowers, it's always veg shots, lol! So what's the appeal? Are they really superior in their effects? Are they worth the half-year long flower time in many cases? And is there any general concensus about which types have which effects or flavors? --like, are Highland Thai the lemony head-trip varieties? (that is probably way off, but just an example of what I'm asking)

Also, it seems the more I read about growing landrace indoors, the more I'm fininding that these varieities may have more of a tendency to herm simply because of their wild nature & the added stress of a synthetic environment that the plants are not accustomed to growing in. . ?? Any truth to this? It makes sense, in a way. ..?

Aroma & flavor-wise: I'd love me some burnt rubber tire :bigjoint: my reading has steered me toward Balkhs and Afghans, does this sound right? or"anything hashplant"?

Breeders and/or seedbanks; i know there's quite a few & I just have to pick something and go with it. . . I'm thinking World of Seeds and/or Khalifa Genetics. Anyone with experience on these, I'd love to hear it.

**This is not me bashing or talking trash on anyone's choice to grow anything. Actually what I'm looking for, is first-hand accounts good or bad, regarding growing landrace varieties indoors.
 
MissinThe90’sStrains

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I haven’t grown landraces because my outdoor climate is too unforgiving, but have a strong interest in them after smoking for 20 years and still chasing those old unicorns I once glimpsed. I wanna know why, and I’ve been seeking out old crosses that still had some of that “specialness” to them (90’s stuff and before) in seed form to see if any horses in my stable grow horns.

I was listening to an old Potcast episode with DJ Short earlier today, and he talked a lot about breeding with landraces. The appeal is that they have pure genetics for breeding and also have those unique effects you mentioned. He talked about some of the more potent hybrids available today having high thc but only having a short duration of the peak high. Also, many of them have a “ceiling“, where some of the pure sativa lines just got trippy the more you smoked, and the high lasted for hours. He also referenced the breeder Bodhi in respect to his experience with breeding with landraces and shares the idea that the little known cannabinoids and their combinations play more of a factor in overall effect than the tested level of thc. He mentioned that plants can have very similar thc numbers and even the same terpene profiles, but still be very different in their effect. Although some of them were difficult to grow and yielded poorly, he also said he believed cannabis was meant to be/best consumed in extract form and not flower.

According to Dj Short (citing information from Robert Clarke’s *Marijuana Botany* book) for breeding purposes, you need genetically stable P1 (parents) to make an F1 cross, that gives you a fair representation of the blend of the parents. The example he used was breeding chihuahuas and Great Danes together. In the F1 generation you’d expect to get mostly uniform dogs, somewhere in the middle between the 2 parents, looking kinda like a Boxer or Pit. But in the F2 generation, you’d have some variability with some that were bigger than Great Danes, and some that were smaller than chihuahuas, with most of them in between. This stability in the parental lines was important for true-breeding. he tried to only use landrace genetics, and his goals in breeding were to try and replicate the special effects of the parents in the new cross. He said often plants that were “stronger” weren’t necessarily “better” in overall effect, duration of high, or the medicinal effect that they provided.
 
xox

xox

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idk growing out old school landrace indicas "afgani" with the wide bladed leaf/christmas tree shape for hash making purposes?
 
Modern Selections

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Most people grow landrace genetics indoor for breeding purposes or curiosity to the smoke.

Slightly worked/worked lines like Ace provides is often a better option for indoor tent growers wanting to experience herbs that aren't the same boring effects that modern strains provide.

My sativa room has 18' ceilings so I can let these wild strains express themselves as they wish. I then select the best and make the next generation until I am happy with the stability of the line. From there I select great plants to introduce fresh blood into modern hybrids.

For burnt rubber I'm not sure, I always cull plants with the burnt rubber smells as I don't like them. Malawi tossed some burnout tire smoke phenos.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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wallywonks said:
They are exotic and genetics are usually stable. I'm growing one cause my wife lives in the Philippines and teasing her
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Yeah i love seeing your updates. Looks like it'll be ready in fall of 2025 LMAO :lol: jk. . .. but I'm also excited to hear your smoke and effect reports.

@Modern Selections Malawi you say? Noted, thank you, I won't hold you to that but still noteworthy from an anecdotal perspective.
 
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conor c

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Because there unique and all have there own character and not all of us have the climate to grow them outside unfortunately and there also not just one note in effects like 90% of the modern stuff i find the effects are all so samey vs the older stuff be it landrace or heirloom there different and for some people nostalgia as well will be a factor one would imagine and yes true landrace is more likely to herm indoors under lights also if over fed they prefer light soil and light nutrients for the most part
 
ChemDogLover

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Modern Selections said:
Most people grow landrace genetics indoor for breeding purposes or curiosity to the smoke.


My sativa room has 18' ceilings so I can let these wild strains express themselves as they wish. I then select the best and make the next generation until I am happy with the stability of the line. From there I select great plants to introduce fresh blood into modern hybrids.
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I agree, for breeding or a sativa racy high.

Got any pics of your sativa room?
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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King Avitas said:
I am currently growing out four Malawi from ACE. I just wanted to try some weed no one else can get. But this is also a hobby so the idea of a 20 week flowering time doesn't bother me either.

The plants are still in veg and are being grown scrog style.

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I love that. That's why i pick most things i grow even the modern polyhybrids, I like growing stuff I can't otherwise get around here.

Clean setup!
 
King Avitas

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PopAndSonGrows said:
I love that. That's why i pick most things i grow even the modern polyhybrids, I like growing stuff I can't otherwise get around here.

Clean setup!
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I have nothing against the new strains but everyone has them and there are some amazing strains out there that you don't see often if at all. I might try some old school strains next, maybe an AK47, Durban Poison or maybe some Romulan. I love growong weed.
 
outsidegrower

outsidegrower

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I grew both mandala satori and ace golden tiger. Can confirm their descriptions are accurate. Both highs are trippy and intense. The old sativas have qualities the most modern hybrids just don't have. Bag appeal is just a meaningless beauty standard most of the time. I will say the taste is not as refined.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
I haven’t grown landraces because my outdoor climate is too unforgiving, but have a strong interest in them after smoking for 20 years and still chasing those old unicorns I once glimpsed. I wanna know why, and I’ve been seeking out old crosses that still had some of that “specialness” to them (90’s stuff and before) in seed form to see if any horses in my stable grow horns.

I was listening to an old Potcast episode with DJ Short earlier today, and he talked a lot about breeding with landraces. The appeal is that they have pure genetics for breeding and also have those unique effects you mentioned. He talked about some of the more potent hybrids available today having high thc but only having a short duration of the peak high. Also, many of them have a “ceiling“, where some of the pure sativa lines just got trippy the more you smoked, and the high lasted for hours. He also referenced the breeder Bodhi in respect to his experience with breeding with landraces and shares the idea that the little known cannabinoids and their combinations play more of a factor in overall effect than the tested level of thc. He mentioned that plants can have very similar thc numbers and even the same terpene profiles, but still be very different in their effect. Although some of them were difficult to grow and yielded poorly, he also said he believed cannabis was meant to be/best consumed in extract form and not flower.

According to Dj Short (citing information from Robert Clarke’s *Marijuana Botany* book) for breeding purposes, you need genetically stable P1 (parents) to make an F1 cross, that gives you a fair representation of the blend of the parents. The example he used was breeding chihuahuas and Great Danes together. In the F1 generation you’d expect to get mostly uniform dogs, somewhere in the middle between the 2 parents, looking kinda like a Boxer or Pit. But in the F2 generation, you’d have some variability with some that were bigger than Great Danes, and some that were smaller than chihuahuas, with most of them in between. This stability in the parental lines was important for true-breeding. he tried to only use landrace genetics, and his goals in breeding were to try and replicate the special effects of the parents in the new cross. He said often plants that were “stronger” weren’t necessarily “better” in overall effect, duration of high, or the medicinal effect that they provided.
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Dj short, id love to ask him what happened to his blueberry and why it produces so many mutants and so many plants that arnt blueberry. Guess that comes from his breeding expertise. It did have some good plants at one point, not sure what happened to it for years after.
 
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conor c

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TheWholeTruth said:
Dj short, id love to ask him what happened to his blueberry and why it produces so many mutants and so many plants that arnt blueberry. Guess that comes from his breeding expertise. It did have some good plants at one point, not sure what happened to it for years after.
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Did he not claim one of the parental lines was messed with using colchine way back ? Dont get me wrong never heard anyone having success with that


@Psyphish

Agreed tbh anythings better than cookies shits so boring and weak and so are most of its progeny minus the odd exception in my opinion sure ace aint true landrace its more worked but there gears pretty good
 
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