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Budley Doright

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sucks that the threat to our border security (that record size undefended display of cooperation) is under the greatest pressure from neither Canadians nor Americans. I would suspect the same at the US Mexican border as well. And is this what people are dying to get here for? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/two-people-temporary-encampment-winnipeg-1.7055939#:~:text=At about 1:15 p.m.,responders arrived, according to WFPS.
It’s not what I would consider a “threat” which invokes fear, and nothing compared to the Southern border. Yes it is hard to imagine people risking their lives to get here, must be horrendous where they came from :(. Re your other post, correct me if I’m wrong but are you saying the illegals are contributing to the homeless issues we have here?
 

printer

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It really is hard to imagine risking family on a dirty stranger with a brochure from a country you have no idea of. I wish we could afford to judge each individual on the merits of his illegal entry, on the spot. Alas, we have to have some kind of balance with our own domestic citizen refugee (homeless) situation. Sadly it is very hard to solve the problems when most of the equations numbers are deemed unknown by (most recently) virtue-signalling politics and band-aids. Even mentioning raw migration data vs. homelessness in the same sentence 'triggers' a ton of 'troop movement' per se.
I can imagine it, my grandmother did the same thing during WWII with seven kids in tow while pregnant. One of my uncles was four years old and tripped and split open his lip as they were trying to sneak through the forest to get away from the Russians. My grandmother told him to not cry as they would get caught. The whole story is too long to tell but when things are bad you do what you can to have your family survive.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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Re your other post, correct me if I’m wrong but are you saying the illegals are contributing to the homeless issues we have here?
No, I was stating how unacceptable to some that we even mention both as part of an equation. Illegals stress any countries system, so does homelessness. I feel migration and homelessness does have a correlation, but words like 'contribute' and 'the illegals' can be defined more accurately as to actual numbers of who is coming from where. Then we can act effectively, and prioritize public spending accordingly.
That type of convo is beyond todays social media society, and best left to politicians for now. IMO, oh and this thread...maybe.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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The whole story is too long to tell
I truly wish I was relevant enough to you to hear it sometime, Most of us over 50 can relate to WW2, and the horrors it caused to citizens, but this kind of invaluable first hand info is being lost on successive generations. We (Canada) used internment camps, with forced labour, in both wars here and refused entry to Jews during WW2. We haven't learned, but we do have to insure, proper vetting is not overlooked by compassion.
Philosophically, I'm generally against migration, in todays world, even domestically, but recognize the necessity of 'people trading' just like the trade of goods, and more importantly, I support the freedom to do so, within the law. Refugees are a distinct difference from immigrants, but both contributed to Canadas largest population jump despite the drop in birth rate, in the last few years, so there's some math to do.
Kudos to your familys' success, you come from strong stock.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I truly wish I was relevant enough to you to hear it sometime, Most of us over 50 can relate to WW2, and the horrors it caused to citizens, but this kind of invaluable first hand info is being lost on successive generations. We (Canada) used internment camps, with forced labour, in both wars here and refused entry to Jews during WW2. We haven't learned, but we do have to insure, proper vetting is not overlooked by compassion.
Philosophically, I'm generally against migration, in todays world, even domestically, but recognize the necessity of 'people trading' just like the trade of goods, and more importantly, I support the freedom to do so, within the law. Refugees are a distinct difference from immigrants, but both contributed to Canadas largest population jump despite the drop in birth rate, in the last few years, so there's some math to do.
Kudos to your familys' success, you come from strong stock.
to the bolded: please expound.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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'triggers' a ton of 'troop movement' per se.
I think someone here would be. a GREAT candidate to immigrate to mobile alabama,
This is what I'm saying about sensitive and important topics.
Its a funny regional joke, a "Newfie" joke here, or a racial slur, if you're a snowflake LOL. On this interweb thingy I think it's called 'trolling'... :-) Wish it was directed at me *sob*....Cheers Sunni
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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to the bolded: please expound.
It was covered here a few months ago, I think you may have been in on it.
I am a believer in improving what you have, where you live, with your community' Knowing I will fight for Canadians right to self-determination, as an individual, I was generally comparing braindrain vs. to getting stuck in a one horse town discussion. I even compared modern day immigration (not refugees) to colonialism. It was quite interesting, its all back on this thread.
Travelling thru central Ontario, you see the results of some of the 'travel for work nomad philosophy' and homes as a financial commodity, these are generalities backing up my philosophy of make due with what you have in front of you, and grass isn't always greener life lessons, that's all. No data no specifics no links just discussion.
 

printer

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I truly wish I was relevant enough to you to hear it sometime, Most of us over 50 can relate to WW2, and the horrors it caused to citizens, but this kind of invaluable first hand info is being lost on successive generations. We (Canada) used internment camps, with forced labour, in both wars here and refused entry to Jews during WW2. We haven't learned, but we do have to insure, proper vetting is not overlooked by compassion.
Philosophically, I'm generally against migration, in todays world, even domestically, but recognize the necessity of 'people trading' just like the trade of goods, and more importantly, I support the freedom to do so, within the law. Refugees are a distinct difference from immigrants, but both contributed to Canadas largest population jump despite the drop in birth rate, in the last few years, so there's some math to do.
Kudos to your familys' success, you come from strong stock.
I posted it a while back, the others heard it already. Maybe some other time.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It was covered here a few months ago, I think you may have been in on it.
I am a believer in improving what you have, where you live, with your community' Knowing I will fight for Canadians right to self-determination, as an individual, I was generally comparing braindrain vs. to getting stuck in a one horse town discussion. I even compared modern day immigration (not refugees) to colonialism. It was quite interesting, its all back on this thread.
Travelling thru central Ontario, you see the results of some of the 'travel for work nomad philosophy' and homes as a financial commodity, these are generalities backing up my philosophy of make due with what you have in front of you, and grass isn't always greener life lessons, that's all. No data no specifics no links just discussion.
I don’t remember how/if I responded back then. However it seems to me that restricting migration brings more bad than good. We are so far past an agrarian and immobile-heavy-industry economy that what worked then does not really work now imo.

In this age of the economic powerhouses changing type and location on a shorter cycle, migration toward opportunity makes sense to me. Reducing the incentive to migrate requires the sort of long-term economic planning that would be expensive—and inflexible to changes in technology and the demand for it.

Thanks for responding. Our politics don’t align, but I appreciate that you are one of the few “on the other side” who welcomes open discourse.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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Thanks for responding. Our politics don’t align, but I appreciate that you are one of the few “on the other side” who welcomes open discourse.
My PLeasure! That's why I like it here, its like a hockey game, beat up on each other within the rules, and shake hands and go for a beer after. Some peeps don't get it that there is no game without respect for your opposition. You and a few others can also see thru the shouting, as, open dialogue on here gets ME more actual usable info and POV's than Question Period in the house of Commons, less name-calling and better jokes here, too. Cheers mate!
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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what worked then does not really work now imo
Jews were an anomally, as we have always had an open door policy, it served its purpose, now has to stabilize with natural population growth. I agree the old open door policy, is no longer viable to North America or Western Europe, so doesn't work. Liberals just reduced numbers as well, so good on them.
I FEEL that immigration benefits on the whole, only the immigrant, in terms of macro economy. Braindrain helps the Canadian educated doctor that immigrates to another country, but hurts Canada. Whether he helps the new country or hurts native populations employment opportunities is a toughie and is subjective, and I personally don't care to donate Canadian University grads but we don't own them, we only financed 80% of his education. That angle on my beliefs.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Jews were an anomally, as we have always had an open door policy, it served its purpose, now has to stabilize with natural population growth. I agree the old open door policy, is no longer viable to North America or Western Europe, so doesn't work. Liberals just reduced numbers as well, so good on them.
I FEEL that immigration benefits on the whole, only the immigrant, in terms of macro economy. Braindrain helps the Canadian educated doctor that immigrates to another country, but hurts Canada. Whether he helps the new country or hurts native populations employment opportunities is a toughie and is subjective, and I personally don't care to donate Canadian University grads but we don't own them, we only financed 80% of his education. That angle on my beliefs.
I’m not sure how Jews figure into the equation. Regarding open door, I struggle to come up with anything so inherently egalitarian.

As for immigration benefits, I feel otherwise than you. My opinion may be colored by my immigrant parents. In my experience, naturalized immigrants are the best cross-section of patriotism and political sophistication. Such people are ready to bust their bottoms to make it, both for personal gain and also to validate their new sociopolitical destination.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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1702525869687.png WW1 internment camp just north of Banff.
1702526011662.png as opposed to ELITE Nazi prison camp in Bowmanville.
We tend to pick and choose historical relevance in Canada, which goes along with knocking down statues so we can re-write the past, then convict past action by todays philosophy, for justification of a payout.... Tell the whole story, not just the anecdotes which are only left after time...
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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I’m not sure how Jews figure into the equation.
Just one of the few refugee groups defined by their religion only, were generally despised by the majority of the western world. I was saying that Jews were actively prevented from being welcomed refugees, unlike most other nationalities seeking entry to Canada around WW2. I have to leave this stuff alone, as you know where that leads....another thread LOL.
I'm first generation Canadian myself officially...cheers, Love this place..LOL
 
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Cannasaurus Rex

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validate their new sociopolitical destination
The only refugee family I know is my daughters boyfriend, they are Kurds, who fled with their Mom. They typify this traditional immigrant attitude of wanting to assimilate into the existing culture, while keeping your own traditions culture religion an sharing with interested citizens. I love this model. The above is generally a when in Rome or when in a neighours house, attitude. I believe that having a multicultural mosiac philosophy, as opposed to melting pot, increases the habit of new Canadians to racially, religiously, and culturally group, exclude mainstream Canadian citizens from their economic benefits and gain political standing, then change existing laws to reflect that of the country they left. Not to mention past conflict and intolerance. Which 'yay freedom' is how 'bad' immigrants (IMO) can, expect their new home to change to their 'wants'. Money sure helps too.
You can substitute any other country and same trend, we just keep calling it something different. I'm being Nationalist. A good example of the above is also Gated communities of 'expats' in say, central America. I believe there's a new word for the effect of it, gentrification?
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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Just tying to find out if any Canadian citizens have ever applied for asylum (refugee status) from oppression in Canada, besides those seeking to avoid extradition (criminals)? Not spoiled babies 'moving to Canada if so and so wins' type traitors either LOL.
 
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