DIY-HP-LED
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When it comes to Trump how could one possibly fear monger by telling the simple truth. Telling someone they are about to get hit by a car if they play on the freeway is not fear mongering!
The Long March to 11/24
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DIY-HP-LED
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Democrats score HUGE win, Republicans to LOSE House seat
Democracy Watch episode 72: Marc Elias discusses Louisiana's adoption of a new congressional map adding a Democratic seat.
Bagginski
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‘Sokay, they don’t all have to be able to, just…enough
Bagginski
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Pretty rich seeing “The Donald” arguing for the lowest possible bar…& crowing about hurdling itLet's have a debate!
Trump says he’d beat Haley in a cognitive test
Former President Trump said he would score higher on a cognitive test than GOP challenger Nikki Haley, who has seized on a series of gaffes by Trump to criticize his age ahead of New Hampshire’s crucial primary on Tuesday.
In an interview with Fox News’s Martha McCallum, Trump claimed he would beat Haley in a cognitive test after being asked about her criticism of his recent verbal miscues. Haley has also repeatedly called for mental competency tests for politicians aged 75 and older in her campaign for the White House. Trump is 77; Haley is 52.
“Well, I think I’m a lot sharper than her. I would do this: I would sit down right now and take an aptitude test and it would be my result against her result, and she’s not going to win, not gonna even come close to winning,” he said in the interview.
Trump went on to repeat his claims that he has aced two cognitive tests, including one during his time in office and another he took more “recently.”
“I aced it twice. I aced it. But I would say that, you know, I’ve actually called for a cognitive test for anybody running for president because I actually think that’s a good idea. It’d be nice to have an intelligent person be president,” he said.
Trump has bragged about the results of the cognitive test he took in 2018 with former White House physician Ronnie Jackson, who told reporters at the time Trump answered every question correctly on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, which is a test to detect mild cognitive impairment or the onset of Alzheimer’s disease.
In recent days, Haley and President Biden have criticized Trump over his recent gaffes, including when he appeared to confuse Haley with former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in a campaign event last week.
Both Trump and Biden have faced questions over their age and mental fitness as the two of them face a likely rematch of 2020 in November’s general election. Haley has repeatedly called for a generational change when campaigning against the former president.
Trump says he’d beat Haley in a cognitive test
Former President Trump said he would score higher on a cognitive test than GOP challenger Nikki Haley, who has seized on a series of gaffes by Trump to criticize his age ahead of New Hampshire̵…thehill.com
Oh, and she is NOT improved by her “generation”
Bagginski
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Let us consider what the dog did in the nighttime: the dog got MORE write-ins (68,000) than TFFG got ballots (59,000)
Trump's New Hampshire win had some bright red warning signs
After New Hampshire, the primary will turn to the courts.www.politico.com
The Democratic National Committee won’t count the results here toward convention delegates. But they show that Biden is running headlong toward a rematch with Trump.
And perhaps more importantly, the outcome demonstrated this: For all of the hand-wringing about Biden’s weak approval ratings and polls showing him trailing Trump in a general election — and despite all of the anger here about Biden’s attempt to reorder the primary calendar — Democrats were still willing to rally behind him when it mattered.
“The Republican Party has been taken over by Trumpers,” said Kathy Sullivan, a longtime Democratic operative who worked on the pro-Biden super PAC in New Hampshire. “So, yeah, I think you’re going to see a lot more energy, a lot more interest from the Democratic base to get out there and elect Joe Biden.”
Also happy to remention that we are ONLY hearing from the most devoted/compromised/indoctrinated remains of GOP…except for the Haley vote: almost entirely (it seems) an anti-Trump display
Look at the turnout, NH & Iowa - both GOP affairs.
The numbers are MINISCULE: GOP base STAYED AWAY IN DROVES.
Yes, weather…AND…68,000 went out into it to cast votes they could only stick up Chump’s nose
On Election Day, loudest voice will be old-line mainstream conservatives letting MAGA twist in the wind
AND Joe’s numbers will be unassailably large all by themselves
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DIY-HP-LED
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She and the rest who "suspended" their campaigns are waiting to see if Trump is disqualified and convicted and maybe take the nomination at the convention this summer. If the GOP establishment manages to do this, it will be WAR! And Donald running a bull moose write in campaign and endorsing alternative candidates while freaking out on the GOP. He will have a 20-year sentence hanging over his head then and will likely be out on appeal after conviction, it will be either the White house or the big house by this summer, even if he isn't disqualified and that is how the media will frame it. He will either blow the GOP apart on his way down or drag them with him.
Sativied
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Considering, but how do those numbers compare to previous elections, or more specifically 2016?
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Bagginski
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At the risk of repeating myself (!) let’s remember how easy it was for the Whig Party to die.
A few years before the Civil War broke out, the Whigs were torn by slavery/abolition factions (roughly analogous to the MAGA v Everyone dynamic that’s current)…and were never able to decide on a candidate who could reconcile the two. After 1854, they never ran another candidate & quickly disappeared.
Much more alarming for us now was the splintering that resulted from the factionalism…in our day, it’s more likely to take the form of stochastic lone-wolf actions, but the coming apart into needles is likely inevitable (the impending secession craze of the time melted into the approaching conflict)
A few years before the Civil War broke out, the Whigs were torn by slavery/abolition factions (roughly analogous to the MAGA v Everyone dynamic that’s current)…and were never able to decide on a candidate who could reconcile the two. After 1854, they never ran another candidate & quickly disappeared.
Much more alarming for us now was the splintering that resulted from the factionalism…in our day, it’s more likely to take the form of stochastic lone-wolf actions, but the coming apart into needles is likely inevitable (the impending secession craze of the time melted into the approaching conflict)
DIY-HP-LED
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The two parties are more entrenched now and laws in some states (unconstitutional IMO) make it hard to start another one. However, if anyone can explode the GOP it is Trump, large numbers of conservatives are politically homeless and want nothing to do with dumb, treason and crazy.
DIY-HP-LED
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Clowns are common on the right and the more right they are the funnier sometimes, it is a cross cultural phenomena, like so many other things in human nature.
Bagginski
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In 2016, the caucuses saw 180,000(R) & 240,000(D)
This week, 110,000 republicans turned out…can’t find figures for Dem turnout ‘cause they weren’t playing yet (no Dem caucus, but 68,000 showed up for the *entirely unofficial* write-in)
that 180k was a record, BTW
Sativied
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Would like to see exact numbers to support that “large”, but yes, that - “politically homeless” - is what I get from my conservative US ’family’ (remote in-laws!) and somehow that I appreciate more than polls.
Just like the following. now that is good news, something like that isn’t likely isolated to a single state.
Thing is, we, european people, including politicians at all layers, are pretty worried. First time Trump was primarily bad for the US. A second term, would affect the rest much more than the first. I’m sounding selfish perhaps, but yeah. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what’s realistic and what’s wishful/hopeful thinking. 180k vs 110k though, is significant. Thanks.
DIY-HP-LED
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What was significant is these events are a chance for pollsters to get a better voter sampling. A lot of Haley supporters said they would not vote for Trump and that is significant since they were all republicans and or conservative independents. With cellphones and caller ID these days many people just ignore phone polls and surveys they are not included as "likely voters". At these events like primaries pollsters can conduct better polls and more in-depth interviews in person, still they only attract certain kinds of people, many fanatics among them.
Youth and women's turnout might make a big difference this time around.
Bagginski
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Looking at it another way: compared to ‘16, 70,000 GOP caucuseers stayed home - 11,000 more than caucused for him this year…or, he got (180,000-70,000)…41,000 ‘no’s vs 59,000 ’yes’s vs 70,000 ‘FU’s
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Imagine how those numbers would look plus 11,780.
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18 percent in new poll say they wouldn’t vote in Trump-Biden rematch
Eighteen percent of Americans said they would not vote in next year’s election if it’s a rematch between President Biden and former President Trump, according to a poll released this week.
According to the Reuters/Ipsos poll, 67 percent of Americans said they were “tired of seeing the same candidates in presidential elections and want someone new.” In addition, 18 percent said they are not likely to vote in the November election if it is a choice between Biden or Trump.
The 2024 presidential election is headed toward a likely rematch of 2020, as Biden and Trump remain the front-runners in their respective parties’ primaries. The poll found Trump has a 6-point lead over Biden in such a rematch, with the former president garnering 40 percent of support compared to Biden’s 34 percent in a hypothetical general election contest that also included potential third-party candidates. The rest of the respondents said they would vote for someone else or for no one at all.
The poll found that 70 percent of respondents, including nearly half of Democrats, do not believe Biden should seek reelection. When asked about Trump, about 56 percent of Americans said he should not run, including about 31 percent of Republicans.
Age remains an issue among Americans when it comes to the two candidates. Biden, 81, and Trump, 77, have both faced criticism over their age and mental fitness to handle the job.
About three-fourths of respondents said Biden was too old to work in government, while about half said the same about Trump, according to the poll. More than half of Democratic respondents said Biden was too old, and one-third of Republicans said Trump was.
The poll also asked respondents about Trump’s ongoing legal battles. When asked if they agreed Trump should be prosecuted if he broke the law and sentenced to prison if convicted, 71 percent said they agreed. This included 93 percent of Democrats and 55 percent of Republicans polled.
The poll also found that 29 percent of respondents agreed with the unsubstantiated claims that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, including 54 percent of Republicans. The poll was conducted among 1,250 adults from Jan. 22-24 and has a margin of error of 2.86 percentage points.
thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4428996-2024-election-18-percent-wouldnt-vote-trump-biden-rematch-poll/
Eighteen percent of Americans said they would not vote in next year’s election if it’s a rematch between President Biden and former President Trump, according to a poll released this week.
According to the Reuters/Ipsos poll, 67 percent of Americans said they were “tired of seeing the same candidates in presidential elections and want someone new.” In addition, 18 percent said they are not likely to vote in the November election if it is a choice between Biden or Trump.
The 2024 presidential election is headed toward a likely rematch of 2020, as Biden and Trump remain the front-runners in their respective parties’ primaries. The poll found Trump has a 6-point lead over Biden in such a rematch, with the former president garnering 40 percent of support compared to Biden’s 34 percent in a hypothetical general election contest that also included potential third-party candidates. The rest of the respondents said they would vote for someone else or for no one at all.
The poll found that 70 percent of respondents, including nearly half of Democrats, do not believe Biden should seek reelection. When asked about Trump, about 56 percent of Americans said he should not run, including about 31 percent of Republicans.
Age remains an issue among Americans when it comes to the two candidates. Biden, 81, and Trump, 77, have both faced criticism over their age and mental fitness to handle the job.
About three-fourths of respondents said Biden was too old to work in government, while about half said the same about Trump, according to the poll. More than half of Democratic respondents said Biden was too old, and one-third of Republicans said Trump was.
The poll also asked respondents about Trump’s ongoing legal battles. When asked if they agreed Trump should be prosecuted if he broke the law and sentenced to prison if convicted, 71 percent said they agreed. This included 93 percent of Democrats and 55 percent of Republicans polled.
The poll also found that 29 percent of respondents agreed with the unsubstantiated claims that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, including 54 percent of Republicans. The poll was conducted among 1,250 adults from Jan. 22-24 and has a margin of error of 2.86 percentage points.
thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4428996-2024-election-18-percent-wouldnt-vote-trump-biden-rematch-poll/
DIY-HP-LED
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Worth a watch, Trump has countless such victims and justice is a long time coming and is a failure for many. People like Trump with money and contempt for the law can make a mockery of it and game the system, justice delayed is justice denied.
DIY-HP-LED
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Americans vote rationally, based on facts and policy, NOT! Surely, they wouldn't risk their and their children's future over pure stupidity, I mean nothing at all really.
But he's the great white hope, the champion of tens of millions, a man who can do no wrong and whose word is law! Sacrifices have to be made to protect the statues of white people in America, so you don't need Medicare, social security, border security or even national security! The Hell with the economy and to Hell with the southern border and immigration too. Oh yeah and stab your allies along, with your own troops, in the back and don't pay back the money you owe... Call US troops who died for their country suckers and losers, grab them by the pussy, 91 criminal indictments and it's all somehow ok...
But he's the great white hope, the champion of tens of millions, a man who can do no wrong and whose word is law! Sacrifices have to be made to protect the statues of white people in America, so you don't need Medicare, social security, border security or even national security! The Hell with the economy and to Hell with the southern border and immigration too. Oh yeah and stab your allies along, with your own troops, in the back and don't pay back the money you owe... Call US troops who died for their country suckers and losers, grab them by the pussy, 91 criminal indictments and it's all somehow ok...