Examples of GOP Leadership

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bagginski said:
Except that Turley is WRONG saying SCOTUS “*ought* to”.

DC Circuit did a master class in their ruling. ONLY reason for SCOTUS to mess with it is because they want to mess with it.

They are playing with fire, and Turley goes down a few more notches in my thinking for not seeing their flagrant desire to screw with the election timeline. The Hopium is that Trump will win in Nov. as long as TFFG hasn’t been convicted yet. That’s almost cute at this point, in its detachment from current events.

Yes, we’re all antsy. Yes, time flies. Yes, Chump is winning primaries. Exit-polling tells another story: 40% of GOP *primary* voters voted AGAINST the ochre ogre overall so far…and 50% of them said they would never vote for TFFG again under any circumstances. And Nikki Haley keeps getting donations so she’s staying in. I’m not the number-cruncher on this, but the extrapolated results suggest that 25% of the GOP base has turned against him…which matches my *own* long-term tracking

In ‘74-76, following Nixon’s Watergate hearings, solid conservatives turned against GOP, brought in Carter, & gave congress to the Dems…and that was only ~10% that stayed away.

By then, the Powell-memo counter-revolution was set to put REAGAN & his proto-MAGA goons in power, Koch libertarianism was inflating, and Alex Jones had his first Prison Planet IRC channel (in re: your other post)

This is the situation as it stands now: efforts to delay his trials will likely only succeed in pushing them into *peak campaign season*. WATCHING the Senate Watergate hearings changed A LOT OF GOP MINDS about Nixon’s guilt & responsibility; watching his trials will have a similar but magnified effect. Could lead to TFFG getting 60% of his 2020 numbers, or even less.

Either way, the nation will change distinctly after election day: the post-plantation era will be over
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An interesting mix of cynicism and optimism in that post of yours.

It could be that there is an honest difference of opinion on the SCOTUS about what should be done and this decision was a compromise that all of them could agree upon. It's hard to imagine Clarence Thomas having an honest opinion but for now, I'll put my disbelief on hold while this decision works its way through the process.

I think you are right that a significant number of "Republican-former-Trump voters" won't vote for him this time. It's somewhere between 10% and 30% of the Republican vote. That said, Republicans could run a jar of mustard against Biden and get at least 42% of the national vote. Democrats might be able to do the same. So, 42% is about the floor of the national vote each side could expect. 42% Republican, 42% Democrat, a low single digit going to ["other"/"no name"/Kennedy] and 10% to 14% of the vote a tossup. From there, I think it's all going to come down to how well Biden does over the next six or so months and how "not bad" Trump does.

I think its going to be close. There is still a ways to go and it might not be close at the end but right now, that's how I call it. I don't rule out Trump winning at this time. If one looks at their problems, Trump has many more and much worse problems than Biden has, so it's Biden's race to win but the race has a long way to go.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
An interesting mix of cynicism and optimism in that post of yours.

It could be that there is an honest difference of opinion on the SCOTUS about what should be done and this decision was a compromise that all of them could agree upon. It's hard to imagine Clarence Thomas having an honest opinion but for now, I'll put my disbelief on hold while this decision works its way through the process.

I think you are right that a significant number of "Republican-former-Trump voters" won't vote for him this time. It's somewhere between 10% and 30% of the Republican vote. That said, Republicans could run a jar of mustard against Biden and get at least 42% of the national vote. Democrats might be able to do the same. So, 42% is about the floor of the national vote each side could expect. 42% Republican, 42% Democrat, a low single digit going to ["other"/"no name"/Kennedy] and 10% to 14% of the vote a tossup. From there, I think it's all going to come down to how well Biden does over the next six or so months and how "not bad" Trump does.

I think its going to be close. There is still a ways to go and it might not be close at the end but right now, that's how I call it. I don't rule out Trump winning at this time. If one looks at their problems, Trump has many more and much worse problems than Biden has, so it's Biden's race to win but the race has a long way to go.
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They tried the jar of mustard thing with Ramaswamy. I don’t think he’d even gotten 38%.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
They tried the jar of mustard thing with Ramaswamy. I don’t think he’d even gotten 38%.
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Right. Ramaswamy has the wrong skin color for all 42% of the rightwing authoritarian coalition to vote for him.

I should have said "Republicans can run a jar of mayonnaise against Biden and get at least 42% of the national vote. "

OTOH, that won't work for Democrats due to the mayo vs Miracle Whip divide and so perhaps mustard would be their choice.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Arizona bill would make shooting and killing migrants on property legal
Rep. Analise Ortiz, a Phoenix-area Democrat, called the bill disgusting and inhumane and would allow "open season on migrants".

"It's terrifying. It would give people free rein to execute somebody and it would broaden extrajudicial killings," Ortiz told NBC News. "This is part of a broader anti-immigrant movement that we've seen coming from the right, which aims to dehumanize and vilify people who are coming to this country seeking asylum."
www.nbcnews.com

Arizona bill would make shooting and killing migrants on property legal

A Democrat Latina lawmaker opposed to the legislation said it would "allow open season on migrants."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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doublejj said:
Arizona bill would make shooting and killing migrants on property legal
Rep. Analise Ortiz, a Phoenix-area Democrat, called the bill disgusting and inhumane and would allow "open season on migrants".

"It's terrifying. It would give people free rein to execute somebody and it would broaden extrajudicial killings," Ortiz told NBC News. "This is part of a broader anti-immigrant movement that we've seen coming from the right, which aims to dehumanize and vilify people who are coming to this country seeking asylum."
www.nbcnews.com

Arizona bill would make shooting and killing migrants on property legal

A Democrat Latina lawmaker opposed to the legislation said it would "allow open season on migrants."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Lets throw in "Their Offspring" as well.
I wonder what the Native Indians think of this, "whats good for the goose"...
 
laddyd

laddyd

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Saw this headline a moment ago.
"After being shot down by a judge Kari Lake withdraws appeal on ballet return envelopes"
For a second I thought that a judge had actually shot her.
Oh well we can always hope.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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Fogdog said:
An interesting mix of cynicism and optimism in that post of yours.

It could be that there is an honest difference of opinion on the SCOTUS about what should be done and this decision was a compromise that all of them could agree upon. It's hard to imagine Clarence Thomas having an honest opinion but for now, I'll put my disbelief on hold while this decision works its way through the process.

I think you are right that a significant number of "Republican-former-Trump voters" won't vote for him this time. It's somewhere between 10% and 30% of the Republican vote. That said, Republicans could run a jar of mustard against Biden and get at least 42% of the national vote. Democrats might be able to do the same. So, 42% is about the floor of the national vote each side could expect. 42% Republican, 42% Democrat, a low single digit going to ["other"/"no name"/Kennedy] and 10% to 14% of the vote a tossup. From there, I think it's all going to come down to how well Biden does over the next six or so months and how "not bad" Trump does.

I think its going to be close. There is still a ways to go and it might not be close at the end but right now, that's how I call it. I don't rule out Trump winning at this time. If one looks at their problems, Trump has many more and much worse problems than Biden has, so it's Biden's race to win but the race has a long way to go.
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I agree that there’s a certain both-sides thing thanks to the horse-race coverage, but IMO it’s an illusion, an artifact of the coverage & propaganda being in the spin cycle together.

True that GOP being all-in on deceiving their base & the citizenry at large makes it tough to see through it, so it’s important to notice what IS happening…especially where it’s *different* from what happened to GOP following Watergate, their last really big black eye: no one rallied around Nixon, no one defended him, no one screamed about political persecution, no one threatened violence if he weren’t restored to office.

They didn’t complain to pollsters, they didn’t advertise their disappointment & disaffection, they didn’t tell all their friends; not one significant party figure stood by him.

They just stayed home on Election Day in ‘74, ‘76, & ‘78 - and relegated GOP to the back seat, until Reagan - the first professional bullshit artist to seek the presidency - took over in ‘80 as the Powell-memo plan ramped up.

So, what’s different now? DOZENS of his ex-staffers, ranking GOP a politicians & ‘conservative’ pundits are SCREAMING about how dangerous he is, how unworthy, how incapable, how destructive; a currently-uncountable number of long time, old-line conservatives have abandoned the party & a surprising number have switched parties.

TFFG has set the GOP against itself, as well as against the nation. Data coming out of the primaries already presages a STAGGERING blowback from their rank’n’file, which the data never hinted at after Nixon’s disgrace.

On top of which, state GOP organizations are broke, or nearly so, as TFFG sucks up all the money as well as the air, and “conservatism” has been losing ground in public opinion for years (tho the howler monkeys of alt-reality media & red-state anti-government organizations drown out conflicting voices)

Whether it will be close, I dunno: it will be *tough* on the whole country, and we’ll have to be prepared for more hare-brained final-solution schemes seeking to wedge him into office again.

Which, oddly, brings us to “woke”.

When we’re asleep, we may ‘hear’ things but not understand them; our sleep may be disturbed tho our dream continues. We’ve ALL had the experience of being awakened suddenly, alarmingly, and against our will; we’ve all fought to stay asleep, too, haven’t we?

But ONCE WE’RE AWAKE, our head clears, we realize what’s going on - and it may be something we don’t understand but still have to deal with…and, “once you SEE it, you can’t UNsee it”: you realize it’s been there the whole time…and now you have to do something besides just yell & throw things

Congratulations: you’re woke.
And *THAT* is what’s happening to the GOP: conservatives looking around, shaking their heads, going “hey, WAIT A MINUTE!!!”
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bagginski said:
I agree that there’s a certain both-sides thing thanks to the horse-race coverage, but IMO it’s an illusion, an artifact of the coverage & propaganda being in the spin cycle together.

True that GOP being all-in on deceiving their base & the citizenry at large makes it tough to see through it, so it’s important to notice what IS happening…especially where it’s *different* from what happened to GOP following Watergate, their last really big black eye: no one rallied around Nixon, no one defended him, no one screamed about political persecution, no one threatened violence if he weren’t restored to office.

They didn’t complain to pollsters, they didn’t advertise their disappointment & disaffection, they didn’t tell all their friends; not one significant party figure stood by him.

They just stayed home on Election Day in ‘74, ‘76, & ‘78 - and relegated GOP to the back seat, until Reagan - the first professional bullshit artist to seek the presidency - took over in ‘80 as the Powell-memo plan ramped up.

So, what’s different now? DOZENS of his ex-staffers, ranking GOP a politicians & ‘conservative’ pundits are SCREAMING about how dangerous he is, how unworthy, how incapable, how destructive; a currently-uncountable number of long time, old-line conservatives have abandoned the party & a surprising number have switched parties.

TFFG has set the GOP against itself, as well as against the nation. Data coming out of the primaries already presages a STAGGERING blowback from their rank’n’file, which the data never hinted at after Nixon’s disgrace.

On top of which, state GOP organizations are broke, or nearly so, as TFFG sucks up all the money as well as the air, and “conservatism” has been losing ground in public opinion for years (tho the howler monkeys of alt-reality media & red-state anti-government organizations drown out conflicting voices)

Whether it will be close, I dunno: it will be *tough* on the whole country, and we’ll have to be prepared for more hare-brained final-solution schemes seeking to wedge him into office again.

Which, oddly, brings us to “woke”.

When we’re asleep, we may ‘hear’ things but not understand them; our sleep may be disturbed tho our dream continues. We’ve ALL had the experience of being awakened suddenly, alarmingly, and against our will; we’ve all fought to stay asleep, too, haven’t we?

But ONCE WE’RE AWAKE, our head clears, we realize what’s going on - and it may be something we don’t understand but still have to deal with…and, “once you SEE it, you can’t UNsee it”: you realize it’s been there the whole time…and now you have to do something besides just yell & throw things

Congratulations: you’re woke.
And *THAT* is what’s happening to the GOP: conservatives looking around, shaking their heads, going “hey, WAIT A MINUTE!!!”
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Can't just dismiss the consistently bad polling results that Biden is putting up v Trump


By this time in the 2020 election cycle, Biden had settled into the same pattern only he was the one who was consistently ahead. People are answering the question about how they were doing under Trump v Biden and more people are saying they were better off when Trump was in office. That's a big deal in politics.

So, where are all these disaffected Republicans when the polling questions are being asked?

The place that Biden is occupying in opinion polls v Trump is that of the loser in presidential elections going back decades. This isn't a prediction, it's just a statement of fact and I can't ignore it. I'm not panicked, I'm just saying Trump can win and encouraging everybody to start talking with people they think are persuadable about this election, the issues and the need to vote for Biden in November.

Not arguing, just discussing. Though I admit it's a fraught discussion.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Mitch the Turtle

WASHINGTON — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Wednesday endorsed Donald Trump's bid to return to the White House, following a dominant Super Tuesday performance by the former president.

“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States. It should come as no surprise that, as nominee, he will have my support," McConnell, of Kentucky, said.

In his statement Wednesday, McConnell highlighted the "great things" he and Trump had accomplished during his presidency, including remaking the federal judiciary and installing three conservative justices on the Supreme Court.

"I look forward to the opportunity of switching from playing defense against the terrible policies the Biden administration has pursued to a sustained offense geared towards making a real difference in improving the lives of the American people," he said.

Go freeze up permanently you fuckhead in a half shell.
 
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