Maximum amount of CBD that you can infuse into coconut oil

[SoMike]

So I have just ordered a “levo 2” and I plan on making highly concentrated CBD capsules.
I believe there is a maximum amount of CBD that will be infused into the coconut oil?

I understand that I can run the coconut oil through the “levo” several times (with new material), and that will increase potency.
I am hoping to create capsules that contain 100mg of CBD. Is this possible?

I have a few cannabis strains picked out (has to do with the terpenes). A few of the strains are; Charlotte’sweb, cannatonic, AD/DC, Ringo’s gift, and sour Tsunami. I am medicating for insomnia, and too much THC is anti helpful.

I’m hoping to hear from someone that has gone down this road, and can give me some pointers.
Thanks
Mike

 

[SoMike]

So I have just ordered a “levo 2” and I plan on making highly concentrated CBD capsules.
I believe there is a maximum amount of CBD that will be infused into the coconut oil?

I understand that I can run the coconut oil through the “levo” several times (with new material), and that will increase potency.
I am hoping to create capsules that contain 100mg of CBD. Is this possible?

I have a few cannabis strains picked out (has to do with the terpenes). A few of the strains are; Charlotte’sweb, cannatonic, AD/DC, Ringo’s gift, and sour Tsunami. I am medicating for insomnia, and too much THC is anti helpful.

I’m hoping to hear from someone that has gone down this road, and can give me some pointers.
Thanks
Mike

A bit of further information to keep this discussion going.

I am on a quest to provide medication for my partner (45 years).
She has had problems for years with sleep, not falling asleep, but staying asleep.
Currently we are going back and forth between benzos and cannabis.

I have been making coconut oil capsules for many years, and have tried many different methods.
I grow my own strains, the last few; GG#4, Northern Lights, and just finished a crop of GDP.

My wife has been using the Northern Lights capsules and supplementing with CBD oil.
we purchased two 30ml bottles of “Aspen Green Rest”, it is 130mg per ml.
The oil taste is too objectionable, so I filled #00 capsules that hold about .9ml.
She takes two of these and one capsule of Northern Lights.
The Aspen Green is very expensive and I am hoping to produce my own.

My process for creating capsules:
Decarb 28g of ground buds in a mason jar in the oven.
Soak decarbed material in same jar, with everclear for 24 to 48 hrs
Strain material and evaporate alcohol leaving just oil.
Add sunflower lecithin ½ tsp and 150 ml of coconut oil.
Make the capsules

I have had a few suggestions to maybe decarb twice (converting thc to cbn).
Maybe making alcohol tincture with the levo and then evaporating the alcohol before adding the coconut oil.
Another option might be to use the levo and infuse a small amount of oil two or three times using small amounts of new material each time with the same oil?

I know this has been a long post and am grateful for the cannabis community and the help and support.

 

[DancesWithWeeds]

Just to make a long story short this is what I make for for my wife. I infuse one once of decarbed bud (INDICA not satevia) into one cup Of MCT. She takes one or tqwo droppers full a half an hour before bed and sleeps like a baby. She says it's better than the pills the doctor gave her.

One thing to keep in mind is that CBD will block the THC from the CB receptors. The more CBD, the less the THC will do for you.

Bottom line of my opinion is THC or CBN will put you to sleep. The THC put you to sleep by a "high" and CBN puts you to sleep by just putting your mind in a blank, or just a low.

If you want CBN yoou might be better off using older stuff than trying to do a second decarb.

 

[Humanrob]

I have no science on this... just trial and error. The saturation point of coconut oil is something that I've been very curious about as well. Maybe after cannabis is reclassified there will be more lab work done to definitively answer questions like this.

I make CBD oil infused capsules for my spine condition. I don't distill it down with alcohol, I just do it the same way I used to make THC based cannabutter. My weakest batch was 3oz of CBD flower in 12oz of oil. My strongest batch was using 4oz of CBD flower with 8oz of coconut oil. Using this potency calculator, the 375 "0" size caps from that last batch of CBD oil are about 54mg each. So far they're doing the job (I take 4 or 5 per day, mixing up the weaker and stronger batches).

Having made infused oil this way for ten years with THC to make butter for baking, I know the method retains a lot of potency, but it is also "lossy", and because of that I'm tapping out at my 4oz bud/8oz oil ratio. There are lots of variables and I can go into more detail about my process if you are interested. Since you are distilling it down to rosin, you have a different spectrum for capsule capacity, I would think.

One thing that's nice is that we live in Oregon, where much of the lab tested high quality bulk CBD growers are located. They tend to grow outdoors so you have to hit the market at the right time, but it's not hard to get a year's supply.

 

[DancesWithWeeds]

I have no science on this... just trial and error. The saturation point of coconut oil is something that I've been very curious about as well. Maybe after cannabis is reclassified there will be more lab work done to definitively answer questions like this.

I make CBD oil infused capsules for my spine condition. I don't distill it down with alcohol, I just do it the same way I used to make THC based cannabutter. My weakest batch was 3oz of CBD flower in 12oz of oil. My strongest batch was using 4oz of CBD flower with 8oz of coconut oil. Using this potency calculator, the 375 "0" size caps from that last batch of CBD oil are about 54mg each. So far they're doing the job (I take 4 or 5 per day, mixing up the weaker and stronger batches).

Having made infused oil this way for ten years with THC to make butter for baking, I know the method retains a lot of potency, but it is also "lossy", and because of that I'm tapping out at my 4oz bud/8oz oil ratio. There are lots of variables and I can go into more detail about my process if you are interested. Since you are distilling it down to rosin, you have a different spectrum for capsule capacity, I would think.

One thing that's nice is that we live in Oregon, where much of the lab tested high quality bulk CBD growers are located. They tend to grow outdoors so you have to hit the market at the right time, but it's not hard to get a year's supply.

I don't know what the saturation point would be for infusion, bt you can just mix more oil int the coconut oil. It would become a mixture insted of an infusion, but what would be the defference?

I think that with the ratios of bud to coconut oil you may be losing a lot of good stuff.

 

[Humanrob]

I don't know what the saturation point would be for infusion, bt you can just mix more oil int the coconut oil. It would become a mixture insted of an infusion, but what would be the defference?

I think that with the ratios of bud to coconut oil you may be losing a lot of good stuff.

I might have misunderstood you, but... Since I'm using decarb'd buds in coconut oil to infuse with CBD, and not rosin as my source, I don't have the option to "mix more oil into the coconut oil" (assuming that's what you meant?). I have thought about making the bud-saturated coconut oil, and then after straining the buds out, stirring in more kief at the end to "top it off", and that would be mixed in instead of infused.

I read an article on bioavailability of cannabinoids a while back that said with edibles there's around 4x more absorption by the body if taken with fatty foods, but I don't recall a reference or ratio of fats needed per gram of plant particulate. Somehow infusing the oil seems like it would be more likely to not exceed the oils ability to transport the good stuff. That seems intuitive to me, but I've got nothing to back it up.

I used to grow with a med license, and had so much flower I had no idea what to do with it all, so I was making butter and hash as freezable ways to condense and store it. Now that I can't grow anymore and I'm buying it, waste is not as much of an option. I suspect that I am losing some good material, but it's hard to tell. Maybe I'll back off a bit on the next batch.

 

[DancesWithWeeds]

I might have misunderstood you, but... Since I'm using decarb'd buds in coconut oil to infuse with CBD, and not rosin as my source, I don't have the option to "mix more oil into the coconut oil" (assuming that's what you meant?). I have thought about making the bud-saturated coconut oil, and then after straining the buds out, stirring in more kief at the end to "top it off", and that would be mixed in instead of infused.

I read an article on bioavailability of cannabinoids a while back that said with edibles there's around 4x more absorption by the body if taken with fatty foods, but I don't recall a reference or ratio of fats needed per gram of plant particulate. Somehow infusing the oil seems like it would be more likely to not exceed the oils ability to transport the good stuff. That seems intuitive to me, but I've got nothing to back it up.

I used to grow with a med license, and had so much flower I had no idea what to do with it all, so I was making butter and hash as freezable ways to condense and store it. Now that I can't grow anymore and I'm buying it, waste is not as much of an option. I suspect that I am losing some good material, but it's hard to tell. Maybe I'll back off a bit on the next batch.

Have you tried to make RSO? It's not that hard. A small distilling setup could pay for itself in short time.

From one once of hemp, doing a quick wash with Everclear, I get about 3 grams, and a little more using MJ. I add 1/10 as much lecithin and MCT. A .2ml dose on a fig cookie works wonders for pain. The fig cookie helps but you will still want to chase it down with a cup of coffee or...

Using the still I only lose a small amount of alcohol. It is well worth the trouble and cost.

 

[Humanrob]

Have you tried to make RSO? It's not that hard. A small distilling setup could pay for itself in short time.

From one once of hemp, doing a quick wash with Everclear, I get about 3 grams, and a little more using MJ. I add 1/10 as much lecithin and MCT. A .2ml dose on a fig cookie works wonders for pain. The fig cookie helps but you will still want to chase it down with a cup of coffee or...

Using the still I only lose a small amount of alcohol. It is well worth the trouble and cost.

I've made tinctures, hash, and butter, but never RSO. It might be worth looking into. The one downside of my method is that each batch of oil makes 325 - 375 capsules, which is a lot of work by hand, and if the batch doesn't turn out great, it's a lot of mediocre product to deal with. I actually looked up "how much coconut oil is too much to eat daily", since on a bad day I might take 6 "0" size caps... apparently I worry too much. No amount of CBD can cure that....

 

[DancesWithWeeds]

Where are you located. If you aren't too far away I have a couple of pounds of Ouick Kush Hemp that no one here wants. It was meant for fresh leafs, but now all I have is trimmed, dry flower. I'd be glad to bless you with it if we could get together.

We found that THC worked much better for both pain and sleep. I still have some hemp growing but it's for fresh leafs for my wifes morning juice. One thing people never seem to talk about is the high amount of vitimins in pot and hemp. More than kale.

 

[Humanrob]

Where are you located. If you aren't too far away I have a couple of pounds of Ouick Kush Hemp that no one here wants. It was meant for fresh leafs, but now all I have is trimmed, dry flower. I'd be glad to bless you with it if we could get together.

We found that THC worked much better for both pain and sleep. I still have some hemp growing but it's for fresh leafs for my wifes morning juice. One thing people never seem to talk about is the high amount of vitimins in pot and hemp. More than kale.

Thanks for that kind offer, but I recently got an order in that should last me about a year, so I'm good to go.

Sorry @SoMike if we hijacked the thread.

 

[DancesWithWeeds]

Sorry @SoMike if we hijacked the thread.

Yea. I was just talking. Didn't even know where I was.

 

[Humanrob]

So I have just ordered a “levo 2” and I plan on making highly concentrated CBD capsules.
I believe there is a maximum amount of CBD that will be infused into the coconut oil?

I understand that I can run the coconut oil through the “levo” several times (with new material), and that will increase potency.
I am hoping to create capsules that contain 100mg of CBD. Is this possible?

I have a few cannabis strains picked out (has to do with the terpenes). A few of the strains are; Charlotte’sweb, cannatonic, AD/DC, Ringo’s gift, and sour Tsunami. I am medicating for insomnia, and too much THC is anti helpful.

I’m hoping to hear from someone that has gone down this road, and can give me some pointers.
Thanks
Mike

Another thing to think about in the realm, is bioavailability and liver function. As I have hobbled together a recipe that according to online potency calculators should result in size "0" caps delivering 50mg of CBD per capsule, I'm starting to wonder about saturating the liver's ability to process CBD, and wondering what happens to the excess that is filtered out.

Just something to think about -- on the one hand there is coconut oil's capacity as a carrier, on the other there is the bodies avenues for processing the intake. I'm wondering if taking 25mg every 3 hours is better than taking 50mg every 6 hours, for instance.

 

[SoMike]

Another thing to think about in the realm, is bioavailability and liver function. As I have hobbled together a recipe that according to online potency calculators should result in size "0" caps delivering 50mg of CBD per capsule, I'm starting to wonder about saturating the liver's ability to process CBD, and wondering what happens to the excess that is filtered out.

Just something to think about -- on the one hand there is coconut oil's capacity as a carrier, on the other there is the bodies avenues for processing the intake. I'm wondering if taking 25mg every 3 hours is better than taking 50mg every 6 hours, for instance.

So I purchased some CBD oil that is 133mg/ml
I don't like the taste so I fill size 0 capsules.
these do seem to help with arthritis (but not sleep)
based on this I assumed that you could saturate coconut oil with the same amount of CBD.

mike

 

[Humanrob]

So I have just ordered a “levo 2” and I plan on making highly concentrated CBD capsules.
I believe there is a maximum amount of CBD that will be infused into the coconut oil?

I understand that I can run the coconut oil through the “levo” several times (with new material), and that will increase potency.
I am hoping to create capsules that contain 100mg of CBD. Is this possible?

I have a few cannabis strains picked out (has to do with the terpenes). A few of the strains are; Charlotte’sweb, cannatonic, AD/DC, Ringo’s gift, and sour Tsunami. I am medicating for insomnia, and too much THC is anti helpful.

I’m hoping to hear from someone that has gone down this road, and can give me some pointers.
Thanks
Mike

Have you done any research into THCA and CBDA? Recent studies have shown it has more impact, and can pass through the "blood brain barrier" more readily than decarboxylated product can (this study was focused on anti-Alzheimers benefits, but observes other general benefits). The challenge is finding processing methods that are done start to finish "cold", as heat is the enemy of "A". If you are OK with tincture there are some ways to go about it, I'm still trying to figure out how to cold infuse coconut oil for CBDA capsules.

I mention it because apparently we can do THCA edibles and get the medical value without the psychoactive effect, which is what I'm assuming you found "anti helpful".