cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am really hoping the probation officer tells Blanche to sit down, keep still and not make one (!)ing sound.
TRUMP CONVICTED
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topcat
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And get me a hoagie.
BudmanTX
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Oh this is gonna be interesting...ode to the flyTomorrow
Trump scheduled for Monday pre-sentencing interview after hush money conviction | CNN Politics
Former President Donald Trump is scheduled for a pre-sentencing interview with a probation officer Monday after his hush money trial conviction last month, according to a Trump campaign official and two sources familiar with the matter.amp.cnn.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That has to be the food item with the most colorful regional names in US. Where I grew up in MD they were subs.
The Origin of Hoagies, Grinders, Subs, Heroes, and Spuckies
Sub, hoagie, hero, grinder, spuckie, po' boy, wedge: here's why you call the footlong (or longer) sandwich whatever you do
topcat
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Me too but sub isn't as funny sounding.That has to be the food item with the most colorful regional names in US. Where I grew up in MD they were subs.
The Origin of Hoagies, Grinders, Subs, Heroes, and Spuckies
Sub, hoagie, hero, grinder, spuckie, po' boy, wedge: here's why you call the footlong (or longer) sandwich whatever you dowww.bonappetit.com
BudmanTX
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interesting opinion Mrs Greenberg......:
Today Donald Trump and his lawyer will try to convince a NY probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence, but the need for a jail sentence here is overwhelming. Here are 5 reasons why Probation should reject Trump’s arguments and recommend jail for Trump:
1. Trump will cite his public service as POTUS as a mitigating factor, but the fact that he committed this crime while President - he signed fraudulent checks in the Oval Office - is an aggravating factor. His abuse of the American people’s trust by committing crimes while serving as President warrants jail.
2. Trump will argue that his status as the potential future POTUS demands leniency for the good of our country. Jail for Trump would be polarizing, but it would be far worse for this country for the American Presidency to be a get out of jail free card for a convicted felon who refuses to accept responsibility for his crimes.
3. Trump will argue that the charged crime is victimless and harmless. He is wrong. This case is about the subversion of democracy in 2016 that deprived us - the American voters - of accurate information about presidential candidate Trump that could have changed the outcome of the election. A jail sentence would signal accountability to Trump and his enablers as they set the stage for election interference in 2024.
4. Trump will argue that his lack of criminal history and contributions to NY as a successful business mogul support a sentence of probation. But you know who else was a first-time offender? Michael Cohen, who went to jail for the same conduct. The need to prevent an unfair disparity between their sentences justifies jail for Trump, who was more culpable than Cohen as the leader and beneficiary of the crime. And Trump can’t credibly point to a stellar business record and contributions to NY when he owes $464M in the NY civil fraud case (not to mention his numerous other civil lawsuit losses).
5. Trump will argue that he’s amenable to supervision given his USSS detail and media reporting his every move. But we all know Trump won’t follow Probation’s rules because he didn’t follow court orders. See Exhibit A: 10 gag order violations in this case. Exhibit B: new gag order violation when he disparaged the jury after his guilty verdict. Exhibit C: gag order violations targeting Judge Engoron’s law clerk in the NY civil fraud case.
while imo i think he should be jail, there are people out there that say he won't, prolly supervised released, or maybe even a ankle pracelet, while also doing community service (is they do do this, make it soup kitchen 10000hrs) otoh good portion of people would like to see him at rikers for a stent...the ultimate question is what will Merchan do?
This also brings about another question i had over the weekend, looking at how fast these state lvl justice system went, why can't the federal lvl get to the same lvl as the state? I mean Jack did want these trials fast trackets....is the justice system broke at the fed lvl?
Today Donald Trump and his lawyer will try to convince a NY probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence, but the need for a jail sentence here is overwhelming. Here are 5 reasons why Probation should reject Trump’s arguments and recommend jail for Trump:
1. Trump will cite his public service as POTUS as a mitigating factor, but the fact that he committed this crime while President - he signed fraudulent checks in the Oval Office - is an aggravating factor. His abuse of the American people’s trust by committing crimes while serving as President warrants jail.
2. Trump will argue that his status as the potential future POTUS demands leniency for the good of our country. Jail for Trump would be polarizing, but it would be far worse for this country for the American Presidency to be a get out of jail free card for a convicted felon who refuses to accept responsibility for his crimes.
3. Trump will argue that the charged crime is victimless and harmless. He is wrong. This case is about the subversion of democracy in 2016 that deprived us - the American voters - of accurate information about presidential candidate Trump that could have changed the outcome of the election. A jail sentence would signal accountability to Trump and his enablers as they set the stage for election interference in 2024.
4. Trump will argue that his lack of criminal history and contributions to NY as a successful business mogul support a sentence of probation. But you know who else was a first-time offender? Michael Cohen, who went to jail for the same conduct. The need to prevent an unfair disparity between their sentences justifies jail for Trump, who was more culpable than Cohen as the leader and beneficiary of the crime. And Trump can’t credibly point to a stellar business record and contributions to NY when he owes $464M in the NY civil fraud case (not to mention his numerous other civil lawsuit losses).
5. Trump will argue that he’s amenable to supervision given his USSS detail and media reporting his every move. But we all know Trump won’t follow Probation’s rules because he didn’t follow court orders. See Exhibit A: 10 gag order violations in this case. Exhibit B: new gag order violation when he disparaged the jury after his guilty verdict. Exhibit C: gag order violations targeting Judge Engoron’s law clerk in the NY civil fraud case.
while imo i think he should be jail, there are people out there that say he won't, prolly supervised released, or maybe even a ankle pracelet, while also doing community service (is they do do this, make it soup kitchen 10000hrs) otoh good portion of people would like to see him at rikers for a stent...the ultimate question is what will Merchan do?
This also brings about another question i had over the weekend, looking at how fast these state lvl justice system went, why can't the federal lvl get to the same lvl as the state? I mean Jack did want these trials fast trackets....is the justice system broke at the fed lvl?
Fogdog
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I personally agree with all of the arguments Greenberg listed and could add a few more.
Lock him up and vote Republicans out.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I like the idea of compelling him to do lotsa community service full-time. Something truly rewarding, like cleaning the porta-potties at county fairs while wearing the court-ordered suit of shame. Fits with his stated desire to drain the swamp.
compassionateExotic
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cannabineer
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I wonder how Ivette would respond to a question about how many convicts sitting their presentencing hearing are allowed or advised to have their attorney present.
www.thedailybeast.com
Expert Describes Why Trump’s Probation Interview Was ‘Highly Unusual’
The former president won’t be under oath, but any lies he says in the meeting could come back to bite him at his sentencing hearing.
topcat
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I wonder how he gave a DNA sample virtually.I wonder how Ivette would respond to a question about how many convicts sitting their presentencing hearing are allowed or advised to have their attorney present.
Expert Describes Why Trump’s Probation Interview Was ‘Highly Unusual’
The former president won’t be under oath, but any lies he says in the meeting could come back to bite him at his sentencing hearing.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Stormy dropped a sample off already?
topcat
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That could be from multiple people, not just males, either.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I hope Merchan sees that and has a good chuckle.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I’ll omit the graphic details, but I’m sure she could have retained a fairly clean one “just in case.”
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topcat
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But seriously folks, the sample needs to be collected in person, I think, just like a urine or blood sample would be.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
seriously, yes. And by a third party, not that man’s hires.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
After what they did to Hunter, I wonder what the Murdoch lie mill will make of this. Get ready for more of that much-discussed two-tier justice system.
www.thedailybeast.com
Trump Admitted to Having a Gun in Florida During Probation Interview: Report
It is a federal offense to possess a firearm or ammunition as a convicted felon.