MissinThe90’sStrains
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Training day, it’s about to get REAL ! Good to see you jumping back in the saddle and growin again. Best of luck this round, watching for sure
Jimski grow journal #2 Back to my roots
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Jimski
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Update
Training day was not much due to this pheno setting me up for easy tucking to allow some light down and along the stem. If it could be done without cutting it was easy. All tucks held for 30 minutes but I know ya gotta keep on top as they will grow out and go back to blocking light. A lot of the top mess has changed orientation and will need to turn up. Bent over main stem on both full size plants. Fimm healing up nicely. No real change since topping the dwarf but it looks fine. No changes in color or looks since moving up water schedule and top dressing.
82 degrees RH on auto at 1.1
White widow 28 days above ground.
Training day was not much due to this pheno setting me up for easy tucking to allow some light down and along the stem. If it could be done without cutting it was easy. All tucks held for 30 minutes but I know ya gotta keep on top as they will grow out and go back to blocking light. A lot of the top mess has changed orientation and will need to turn up. Bent over main stem on both full size plants. Fimm healing up nicely. No real change since topping the dwarf but it looks fine. No changes in color or looks since moving up water schedule and top dressing.
82 degrees RH on auto at 1.1
White widow 28 days above ground.
Jimski
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Update.
Plants progressing ok. Had some issues with temp as a very cold snap sent temps in basement to 63 at night and only 67 during the day. Thermoforge unable to keep at 85 so reduced temp to 82 and vdp stayed at 1.1.
Watering has been ramping up also. Thursday lights out I had raised water to 1.1 liters and this only lasted 30 hours. Saturday early went to 1.4 liters per plant and we will see if we get back to 48 hours between watering.
Still looking to get more runner stems before I start steering the smaller stuff. Leaf tucking looking ok with some bigger leafs starting on Dunky. The squat plant has no secondary stems on one side of the plant. It does not look like any were cut off we just have 2 levels on one side never sprouted at level 2 and 4.
Numbers this week 85 then 82 after Friday. Light lux at 22k with lower sites on plant at 14-12k. Ph still 6.3. duct fan setting 3 and according to Vivosun garden glimpse I moved 17k cubic feet through the tent. IPM walkthrough found nothing. Today will be a zero point day. Time to zero all temp and humidity sensors and calibrate pH and ec meters.
White widow 35 days above ground
Plants progressing ok. Had some issues with temp as a very cold snap sent temps in basement to 63 at night and only 67 during the day. Thermoforge unable to keep at 85 so reduced temp to 82 and vdp stayed at 1.1.
Watering has been ramping up also. Thursday lights out I had raised water to 1.1 liters and this only lasted 30 hours. Saturday early went to 1.4 liters per plant and we will see if we get back to 48 hours between watering.
Still looking to get more runner stems before I start steering the smaller stuff. Leaf tucking looking ok with some bigger leafs starting on Dunky. The squat plant has no secondary stems on one side of the plant. It does not look like any were cut off we just have 2 levels on one side never sprouted at level 2 and 4.
Numbers this week 85 then 82 after Friday. Light lux at 22k with lower sites on plant at 14-12k. Ph still 6.3. duct fan setting 3 and according to Vivosun garden glimpse I moved 17k cubic feet through the tent. IPM walkthrough found nothing. Today will be a zero point day. Time to zero all temp and humidity sensors and calibrate pH and ec meters.
White widow 35 days above ground
GreenGenez421
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Looking really good. Happy, healthy, vigorously vibrant. I'm subbed, I love WW.
Jimski
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Update
Trained a bit with leaf tucking on Dunky and the dwarf. The squat bush I was able to turn 3 branches in the correct direction but leaf tucking on that damn fimm mess is going to have to wait. Just a clump of vegtable matter with 6 nodes about covered. Still growing under neath with no problems but it may take a week to move out from under the mess.
Dunky is growing fine but the node spacing on the branches is right where my training fixture would land and it would smash 3 nodes. I will totally pinch a future fan leaf against a branch but I am not going to reduce node count.
This AM lung room was 2.1 vdp. I raised the whole house up 2 degrees and brought it to 1.5. I really do not know if 10 minutes at 2.5 will stun a plant but meh, heat already back down to 72
Water at 1.6 liters per. The dwarf plant I did fill in some edges due to a pull away from lack of water last week. Water still lasts about 36 hours when I do it at 10pm 2 hours from lights out and about 30 hours when I water in the am.
I prolly should go up to 48 hours 2 hours before bedtime but this is working ok for me I am hesitant to try. Biggest reason is power outage. I do have a backup plan but the circuit from my Ford gives me 10 amps or about 1200 watts. This allows me to put it in reduced mode 74 degrees 1.o vdp but lights on full and all fans running. I think If I had 3 days of water at 82 vdp 1.1 and I had to do minimums I think she would be over watered at that point.
Kids.........
Edit. Upgrading watering system today
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Trained a bit with leaf tucking on Dunky and the dwarf. The squat bush I was able to turn 3 branches in the correct direction but leaf tucking on that damn fimm mess is going to have to wait. Just a clump of vegtable matter with 6 nodes about covered. Still growing under neath with no problems but it may take a week to move out from under the mess.
Dunky is growing fine but the node spacing on the branches is right where my training fixture would land and it would smash 3 nodes. I will totally pinch a future fan leaf against a branch but I am not going to reduce node count.
This AM lung room was 2.1 vdp. I raised the whole house up 2 degrees and brought it to 1.5. I really do not know if 10 minutes at 2.5 will stun a plant but meh, heat already back down to 72
Water at 1.6 liters per. The dwarf plant I did fill in some edges due to a pull away from lack of water last week. Water still lasts about 36 hours when I do it at 10pm 2 hours from lights out and about 30 hours when I water in the am.
I prolly should go up to 48 hours 2 hours before bedtime but this is working ok for me I am hesitant to try. Biggest reason is power outage. I do have a backup plan but the circuit from my Ford gives me 10 amps or about 1200 watts. This allows me to put it in reduced mode 74 degrees 1.o vdp but lights on full and all fans running. I think If I had 3 days of water at 82 vdp 1.1 and I had to do minimums I think she would be over watered at that point.
Kids.........
Edit. Upgrading watering system today
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GreenGenez421
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Clever Clever! Using rising heat to your advantage!
GreenGenez421
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It's the little things that make all the difference. Most overlook it, for real, good deal!
Jimski
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My next trip to ace is for a 4 inch pvc to run from the top of the tent to the bottom vent where it goes in. I think I can dump 400 watts of heat. It only hits it with the small ceramic heater pointing at the incomming duct. It runs daytime only but its another 400 watts.
GreenGenez421
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Or a clip fan pointed down
Jimski
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I have 2 fans in the lights and a sweeper above canopy. I got 85 at canopy level verified 3 ways. I got 82 in pot at bottom of stem. I got 75 in bottom of tent next to same pot.
After an hour temp varies .3 RH stays withing .05 of 1.1 vdp
Even though I wanna train I will wait until tonights watering before I pit them to bed.
Also decided what I am going to do with excess plant. I was always going to do 2 main plants and something fun. I am going to strip lowers leaving 3 levels and try for a small footprint lollypop. I think I can stick it in a corner for the 8 inches it will take.
Edit
Change of plans on 3rd plant. Buddy of mine is gonna take it.
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Jimski
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Update.
Could not be more pleased with plants.
My training needs more training.
3rd plant not culled gave to a friend. Tied the girls down and watered. Also noticed an efficiency increase by watering then doing some bending then water more. Having to wait for the water to penetrate and just looking at it cause training is done was stupid. Combined the 2 and the plants were back in much quicker.
Oriented the plants in the direction they will run when in flower. Lights at 80% 29k lux and plan on increasing to 38k in a week then flip to 12/12. This leads me to a dilemma ai have and I would ask anyone following for advise, mostly organic folks.
Plants are due for top dressing now but will be switching to foop bloom kit organic 3 part in a week. Foop has everything needed so it is not recommended to continue top dressing.
Should I forgo today's top dressing and wait for the flip? the plants show no issues other than the butcher training job and the plants continue to bounce right back.
White widow 42 days above ground
Could not be more pleased with plants.
My training needs more training.
3rd plant not culled gave to a friend. Tied the girls down and watered. Also noticed an efficiency increase by watering then doing some bending then water more. Having to wait for the water to penetrate and just looking at it cause training is done was stupid. Combined the 2 and the plants were back in much quicker.
Oriented the plants in the direction they will run when in flower. Lights at 80% 29k lux and plan on increasing to 38k in a week then flip to 12/12. This leads me to a dilemma ai have and I would ask anyone following for advise, mostly organic folks.
Plants are due for top dressing now but will be switching to foop bloom kit organic 3 part in a week. Foop has everything needed so it is not recommended to continue top dressing.
Should I forgo today's top dressing and wait for the flip? the plants show no issues other than the butcher training job and the plants continue to bounce right back.
White widow 42 days above ground
Jimski
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Update
Lights at 85% 29k lux. With expected vertical growth it looks like I am going to need to be able to raise the plants off the ground to work on them. I could mount the retractable hangers that came with the light but the fans I think would make the panels move around I placed the pots on 5 gallon buckets for now. Also when I moved plants I found that I had got some waste drainage out the bottom of the fabric pots but less than a cup. Noted.
New light setting 56% 29k lux. New PH meter in Thursday and once in will make some foop and flip to 12/12.
From research foop drives pH down to about 4.4. and should be adjusted. Fine for tap water so RO still just for humidifier.
Plants still heavy and doing fine. Might make 3 days on watering but as this is the longest they have gone I want them to dry out well.
Lights at 85% 29k lux. With expected vertical growth it looks like I am going to need to be able to raise the plants off the ground to work on them. I could mount the retractable hangers that came with the light but the fans I think would make the panels move around I placed the pots on 5 gallon buckets for now. Also when I moved plants I found that I had got some waste drainage out the bottom of the fabric pots but less than a cup. Noted.
New light setting 56% 29k lux. New PH meter in Thursday and once in will make some foop and flip to 12/12.
From research foop drives pH down to about 4.4. and should be adjusted. Fine for tap water so RO still just for humidifier.
Plants still heavy and doing fine. Might make 3 days on watering but as this is the longest they have gone I want them to dry out well.
Baron von Bud
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You got it! Soil is easy. I'm so impressed by the growers here and their incredible yields but it takes commitment and work. I'm too lazy for hydro, scrog, and lst. We grow quality for personal use. I top my indica after the 6th node and make sure to clean out the underbrush. Nice even canopy and they max out at 24". Here's a pic of my current Nirvana Master Kush grow at Week3 of flower. 3x3 tent, ViparSpectra ~600w equiv, use the FoxFarm soils and nutrient schedule. Simplicity.
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Jimski
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update
Critical decision I made last thursday is now having an effect. Last thursday after my bud picked up the 3rd plant I went to mix the foop nutes. collected everything shook up everything and then noticed the cheapo ph meter cap was off. Rinsed off and now everything below about 7.0 goes right to 4.0 PH pen dead.
So I wanna flip but I need a pen. I look and the kit I want is a week away. I decided to not top dress as I was worried about N going high from a top dress and then 1 week later pouring nutes on it. was worried about a hot mix.
so now I have yellow leaves (3 ) biggest oldest fans.Not complete yellow so I am going to let the plant eat em up until the pen gets here. Then water with nutes.
My understanding is that liquid natural nutes also take time to break down. if it takes a week to get nutes my plant is really going to get hit right at flower.
sigh.......
Critical decision I made last thursday is now having an effect. Last thursday after my bud picked up the 3rd plant I went to mix the foop nutes. collected everything shook up everything and then noticed the cheapo ph meter cap was off. Rinsed off and now everything below about 7.0 goes right to 4.0 PH pen dead.
So I wanna flip but I need a pen. I look and the kit I want is a week away. I decided to not top dress as I was worried about N going high from a top dress and then 1 week later pouring nutes on it. was worried about a hot mix.
so now I have yellow leaves (3 ) biggest oldest fans.Not complete yellow so I am going to let the plant eat em up until the pen gets here. Then water with nutes.
My understanding is that liquid natural nutes also take time to break down. if it takes a week to get nutes my plant is really going to get hit right at flower.
sigh.......
Jimski
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Update
Flower time!
pH pen arrived last night at 6pm. Mixed up foop at specs for week one. Nice minty smell BUT after a bit if you get any on your hands it smells like you cleaned a bunch of fish. I have never disliked that smell as so have some good memories of cleaning a wheelbarrow of Perch as a young man.
Flipped to 12-12 today. Flipped spectrum to flower. Once again the increase in spectrum increased the lux this time to 40k at the same power setting of 80%
Plants are on 5 gallon buckets and this gives me 20 inches to the lights. Additional fan in floor of tent swirls the humidity that lays low like a cloud bank.
Now for some surprising information.
I am pretty sure my ACI heater box is defective. It is on top of the tent in warmer air and it will increase the temp by 11 degrees. I added a stoner engineered ceramic heater under a 24x30 box box nestled up against the heat. I put growee sensor in the 4 inch duct from this fresh air source.
Well I did some number crunching with power use at the outlet. The ceramic heater using 240 watts produces a 100 degree airflow at the tent bottom. The ACI on high uses 420 watts and on setting 8........420 watts. Specs state 530 watts at full power.
Test was tent from open door reset to 80 degrees. Lung room at tent top 69 degrees. Lung room on floor 62 degrees. Ran ceramic heater only then heat box only.
Heat box alone raised temp to 80 in 21 minutes. Ceramic heater in a cardboard box raised it in 18 minutes. Remember heat box had been on floor for the first 5 weeks and the numbers would have been worse. Running both resets to 80 in 9 minutes.
After this grow is done I will look into ACI's awesome warranty.
Tent was also expanded with plastic clothes hangers in the corners. The middle and upper portions of the tent are prolly close to 36 inches with just this little trick
Plan is raising lux to 55 k over a 2 week period. Right now new growth is reaching for the light. I believe I only have another 2 weeks where I can pull plants out to train. After that I will place pots at back of tent oriented to train to front of tent.
Numbers 40k lux. Light 20 inches from Tops. Temp 85. vdp 1.2
pH nutes 6.25 ( new pen with 2 digit sig fig accuracy) duct set 2 during day 3 during night. Fans setting 4 and plants doing the dance.
First pic damaged leaves from running low on nutes.
Second pic white widow 48 days above ground
Will continue to monitor leaf damage as it may take a while for the organic nutes to start uptake.
Flower time!
pH pen arrived last night at 6pm. Mixed up foop at specs for week one. Nice minty smell BUT after a bit if you get any on your hands it smells like you cleaned a bunch of fish. I have never disliked that smell as so have some good memories of cleaning a wheelbarrow of Perch as a young man.
Flipped to 12-12 today. Flipped spectrum to flower. Once again the increase in spectrum increased the lux this time to 40k at the same power setting of 80%
Plants are on 5 gallon buckets and this gives me 20 inches to the lights. Additional fan in floor of tent swirls the humidity that lays low like a cloud bank.
Now for some surprising information.
I am pretty sure my ACI heater box is defective. It is on top of the tent in warmer air and it will increase the temp by 11 degrees. I added a stoner engineered ceramic heater under a 24x30 box box nestled up against the heat. I put growee sensor in the 4 inch duct from this fresh air source.
Well I did some number crunching with power use at the outlet. The ceramic heater using 240 watts produces a 100 degree airflow at the tent bottom. The ACI on high uses 420 watts and on setting 8........420 watts. Specs state 530 watts at full power.
Test was tent from open door reset to 80 degrees. Lung room at tent top 69 degrees. Lung room on floor 62 degrees. Ran ceramic heater only then heat box only.
Heat box alone raised temp to 80 in 21 minutes. Ceramic heater in a cardboard box raised it in 18 minutes. Remember heat box had been on floor for the first 5 weeks and the numbers would have been worse. Running both resets to 80 in 9 minutes.
After this grow is done I will look into ACI's awesome warranty.
Tent was also expanded with plastic clothes hangers in the corners. The middle and upper portions of the tent are prolly close to 36 inches with just this little trick
Plan is raising lux to 55 k over a 2 week period. Right now new growth is reaching for the light. I believe I only have another 2 weeks where I can pull plants out to train. After that I will place pots at back of tent oriented to train to front of tent.
Numbers 40k lux. Light 20 inches from Tops. Temp 85. vdp 1.2
pH nutes 6.25 ( new pen with 2 digit sig fig accuracy) duct set 2 during day 3 during night. Fans setting 4 and plants doing the dance.
First pic damaged leaves from running low on nutes.
Second pic white widow 48 days above ground
Will continue to monitor leaf damage as it may take a while for the organic nutes to start uptake.
Jimski
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3rd foop feeding since Thursday. Plants at 2.1 liters each with dribbles of runoff. First time in the tent watering from outside with my spiffy new watering device.
Lux at 45k in canopy and still above 25k on all the growth sites I want to keep. Have let the yellowing leaves stay but leaf count is now 6 on one plant 2 on the second. No leaves are necrotic yet.
I have only about 9 inches horizontal for training plants. Vertical 20 inches. But I can step down the plants if needed.
Lux at 45k in canopy and still above 25k on all the growth sites I want to keep. Have let the yellowing leaves stay but leaf count is now 6 on one plant 2 on the second. No leaves are necrotic yet.
I have only about 9 inches horizontal for training plants. Vertical 20 inches. But I can step down the plants if needed.
Jimski
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Update
3 days into flower and for the first time no new leaves are being yellowed up. Growth at the top is just amazing but is really starting to stretch out the plant. Lights are up to 93% 18 inches from canopy. Lux at 50k for majority of grow canopy but I have 3 over achiever stems that are on the edges like pretty much against the tent walls that are at less than 30 k so they are really stretchy. All 3 are at the back of the plant where I can not flip it over to tie down. I am going to zigzag the stems to drop some hight and see if I can get these in line.
The watering device did a great job of watering the plants and also the tent walls. Vermiculate all over the place and now I gotta wipe down walls and vacuum and it's 62 in my basement. Already drilled out the holes in the tip to reduce pressure and increase volume but I think the problem may be a user interface issue where the grower just wants this to be faster.
I am 18 from lights and can maintain the distance by reducing plant mount hight another 14 inches as needed.
The smaller plant was 2 days behind the larger plant doing the yellow fade. It is also about 30% smaller and less dense. I am interested in what caused the growth disparity for 2 plants that were right together until week 5. I suspect root issues and will forensically investigate after plants done.
3 days into flower and for the first time no new leaves are being yellowed up. Growth at the top is just amazing but is really starting to stretch out the plant. Lights are up to 93% 18 inches from canopy. Lux at 50k for majority of grow canopy but I have 3 over achiever stems that are on the edges like pretty much against the tent walls that are at less than 30 k so they are really stretchy. All 3 are at the back of the plant where I can not flip it over to tie down. I am going to zigzag the stems to drop some hight and see if I can get these in line.
The watering device did a great job of watering the plants and also the tent walls. Vermiculate all over the place and now I gotta wipe down walls and vacuum and it's 62 in my basement. Already drilled out the holes in the tip to reduce pressure and increase volume but I think the problem may be a user interface issue where the grower just wants this to be faster.
I am 18 from lights and can maintain the distance by reducing plant mount hight another 14 inches as needed.
The smaller plant was 2 days behind the larger plant doing the yellow fade. It is also about 30% smaller and less dense. I am interested in what caused the growth disparity for 2 plants that were right together until week 5. I suspect root issues and will forensically investigate after plants done.
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Jimski
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Update
Power was out 35 hours. Backup plan worked with the exception of the ACi controller will not connect to the wifi now and I do not want to reset it as the controller and the app are nothing alike. It is working and I can monitor through Vivosun app ( which self healed like a good modern wifi connected device SHOULD).
Stems are hardening up. First 10 inches or so up from the dirt they are stiff. Fade on bigger plant gone and little plant stopped and recovering. Start of week 2 flower and upped the foop nutes. Larger plant drinking more it is at 2.4 liters smaller plant 1.6 liters.
Training looks like a butcher job when done and level about 12 hours after and a hot mess 36 hours requiring more bending and tying down. I did set up a trellis net on the back wall and this is an option but I am trying to just point them in line towards the opposite wall.
12-12 lights at 45k lux when they straighten up it rises to 52k on the tops. Growee sensor trace all temps RH and vdp remained in good steady pattern but I did run it at 80-75 while the apps were down.
Back up to 84 today. 1.2 vdp. Duct 3 sweep fan medium top fans 5
Power was out 35 hours. Backup plan worked with the exception of the ACi controller will not connect to the wifi now and I do not want to reset it as the controller and the app are nothing alike. It is working and I can monitor through Vivosun app ( which self healed like a good modern wifi connected device SHOULD).
Stems are hardening up. First 10 inches or so up from the dirt they are stiff. Fade on bigger plant gone and little plant stopped and recovering. Start of week 2 flower and upped the foop nutes. Larger plant drinking more it is at 2.4 liters smaller plant 1.6 liters.
Training looks like a butcher job when done and level about 12 hours after and a hot mess 36 hours requiring more bending and tying down. I did set up a trellis net on the back wall and this is an option but I am trying to just point them in line towards the opposite wall.
12-12 lights at 45k lux when they straighten up it rises to 52k on the tops. Growee sensor trace all temps RH and vdp remained in good steady pattern but I did run it at 80-75 while the apps were down.
Back up to 84 today. 1.2 vdp. Duct 3 sweep fan medium top fans 5
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