Mammoth mint white emerald green 880w

[Diode.Dude]

No one claiming 'the only way here...' I always looked at XPG to a SSL competitor or maybe even a Oslon Square competitor. These new osconiqs however are the newest leap in 4Q 2024.

A light like this could easily be designed using other monos and hp whites and still be impressive. Cree has always been decent and still is. HLG are using them in their new tomahawk... But people weren't raving about them like the Diabolos.

Newest yet not leading in performance. Weather looking at total output or efficacy. Interesting coolaid to drink.

Raving about? Equally as many "F this spectrum" on the diablos and "greatest thing ever" using samsung's. It's a basic white+ red. No brand spd are significantly different than the next. Horti white...low red content whites...aka photopyll select in cree world. Lumileds had their version a few years ago. Again...if you think anyone is leading by more than a few percent...you have drank too much of the coolaid.

HLG used the 2835 G class(4 years old at this point) from cree on the tomahawk because of price. under .03(or less) vs .055. That is why.

Fluence pays half of what HLG pays for their 301's. People need to get off the HLG BS and realize they were one of handfuls of good customers driving volume on the 301. HLG was not top dog for samsung. Not even in the US.

 

[KitnerPush]

Newest yet not leading in performance. Weather looking at total output or efficacy. Interesting coolaid to drink.

Raving about? Equally as many "F this spectrum" on the diablos and "greatest thing ever" using samsung's. It's a basic white+ red. No brand spd are significantly different than the next. Horti white...low red content whites...aka photopyll select in cree world. Lumileds had their version a few years ago. Again...if you think anyone is leading by more than a few percent...you have drank too much of the coolaid.

HLG used the 2835 G class(4 years old at this point) from cree on the tomahawk because of price. under .03(or less) vs .055. That is why.

Fluence pays half of what HLG pays for their 301's. People need to get off the HLG BS and realize they were one of handfuls of good customers driving volume on the 301. HLG was not top dog for samsung. Not even in the US.

Where were you when the first quantum boards hit? And who was competing?

 

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I was here when Greengenes and Growmaus(sp?) and even "Jeff" from Area51 were all talking about how to build lights. Some of the old homemade designs that Growmaus had were exceptional. No wonder he went on to work for ChilLED and HLG. The boy knew his stuff! All those guys were really looking at how to improve the lights and answer demands. I think they all did a pretty good job. The Quantum Board idea was certainly discussed here a lot before any of it actually came to fruition. I own a couple of them and they work just fine.

But, then China started improving their stuff and now the market is flooded with thousands of lights....flood light....*cough*....Anyway, back then there was a lot of spirited discussion about the same things -except the technology wasn't as advanced....And, the technology will never reach a pinnacle. The chips, etc., will keep improving every year and there will be the studies to back it all up....forever.

In the future, tents will have walls and ceiling and floors made of material that will produce the light. Fixtures will become a thing of the past. You'll just plug your tent into an outlet, dial in the spectrum you want and bam.

 

[Diode.Dude]

Where were you when the first quantum boards hit? And who was competing?

Where was I? I was using mostly XTE and 219 3535's with XPE 660nm. Had some mono supplemented CXA and Vero29 builds. But not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about.
As for who was competing in the horti LED market back then from a supplier side. LG and Samsung were owning the 5630 market. BML(build my LED) actually using them interchangeably and continued into first year of them being fluence till LG left the market.
Robin(Amit) had been testing the samsung 5630 based L2s for a while prior to joining HLG and is the reason for the QB's. Steve had johnson running COB's nothing original there. Nichia was king of the 3030's at that time. And even once samsung 301's came around, Nichia never left the chat. But canna industry being more hype driven, not to mention most getting in it didn't come from lighting industry and only know what the other guys are doing aka used samsungs. But most established lighting companies that got into it, used their preference of diodes(Cree, Osram, Nichia, Lumileds...) to build great lights that could match or exceed a samsung spec'ed light, but just couldn't overcome the marketing hype of using samsung. Osram did and still does great in 660nm. Later on Samsung used there white business to leverage accounts into using their 660nm, which did actually end up being pretty good as of latest gen. But Osram is king of the 660nm. Just a very slim margin if att all right now. Just depends on your business relationship on for bin avaiablity.
Then can also get into the whole 301b and H being the same, but again lighting companies knew the market and didn't care cause they worked with samsung and were told first hand. Canna only guys pushing the H cause they literally didn't know enough about it and didn't actually work with samsung on designs. Purchasing from a disti vs havign Samsung team involved even if you buy from a disti was valuable.

Anyways....is that enough history?

 

[KitnerPush]

I was here when Greengenes and Growmaus(sp?) and even "Jeff" from Area51 were all talking about how to build lights. Some of the old homemade designs that Growmaus had were exceptional. No wonder he went on to work for ChilLED and HLG. The boy knew his stuff! All those guys were really looking at how to improve the lights and answer demands. I think they all did a pretty good job. The Quantum Board idea was certainly discussed here a lot before any of it actually came to fruition. I own a couple of them and they work just fine.

But, then China started improving their stuff and now the market is flooded with thousands of lights....flood light....*cough*....Anyway, back then there was a lot of spirited discussion about the same things -except the technology wasn't as advanced....And, the technology will never reach a pinnacle. The chips, etc., will keep improving every year and there will be the studies to back it all up....forever.

In the future, tents will have walls and ceiling and floors made of material that will produce the light. Fixtures will become a thing of the past. You'll just plug your tent into an outlet, dial in the spectrum you want and bam.

Yep, that's exactly right. Growmau5 is legend, especially in the DIY space and sharing knowledge. The quantum board was the catalyst.

 

[Diode.Dude]

I was here when Greengenes and Growmaus(sp?) and even "Jeff" from Area51 were all talking about how to build lights. Some of the old homemade designs that Growmaus had were exceptional. No wonder he went on to work for ChilLED and HLG. The boy knew his stuff! All those guys were really looking at how to improve the lights and answer demands. I think they all did a pretty good job. The Quantum Board idea was certainly discussed here a lot before any of it actually came to fruition. I own a couple of them and they work just fine.

But, then China started improving their stuff and now the market is flooded with thousands of lights....flood light....*cough*....Anyway, back then there was a lot of spirited discussion about the same things -except the technology wasn't as advanced....And, the technology will never reach a pinnacle. The chips, etc., will keep improving every year and there will be the studies to back it all up....forever.

In the future, tents will have walls and ceiling and floors made of material that will produce the light. Fixtures will become a thing of the past. You'll just plug your tent into an outlet, dial in the spectrum you want and bam.

Oh man. Really briunging up the good times!

SupraSPL, Guod, StardustSailor.... And had A51 and Apache, and Hans for legit companies. A lot of Cidly factory based low end brands back then.
Then came GG and Mau5 and DIY took off.
Most every company people knows of all followed.
Kingbrite got big. Then china overall flooded.

Crazy to think back at those times.

 

[KitnerPush]

Where was I? I was using mostly XTE and 219 3535's with XPE 660nm. Had some mono supplemented CXA and Vero29 builds. But not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about.
As for who was competing in the horti LED market back then from a supplier side. LG and Samsung were owning the 5630 market. BML(build my LED) actually using them interchangeably and continued into first year of them being fluence till LG left the market.
Robin(Amit) had been testing the samsung 5630 based L2s for a while prior to joining HLG and is the reason for the QB's. Steve had johnson running COB's nothing original there. Nichia was king of the 3030's at that time. And even once samsung 301's came around, Nichia never left the chat. But canna industry being more hype driven, not to mention most getting in it didn't come from lighting industry and only know what the other guys are doing aka used samsungs. But most established lighting companies that got into it, used their preference of diodes(Cree, Osram, Nichia, Lumileds...) to build great lights that could match or exceed a samsung spec'ed light, but just couldn't overcome the marketing hype of using samsung. Osram did and still does great in 660nm. Later on Samsung used there white business to leverage accounts into using their 660nm, which did actually end up being pretty good as of latest gen. But Osram is king of the 660nm. Just a very slim margin if att all right now. Just depends on your business relationship on for bin avaiablity.
Then can also get into the whole 301b and H being the same, but again lighting companies knew the market and didn't care cause they worked with samsung and were told first hand. Canna only guys pushing the H cause they literally didn't know enough about it and didn't actually work with samsung on designs. Purchasing from a disti vs havign Samsung team involved even if you buy from a disti was valuable.

Anyways....is that enough history?

yeah, great, so we're on the same page. You can't say HLG weren't instrumental in the exploision of mid-power whites... if they are the biggest I'm not even sure. Like was mentioned above here, the chinese brands like Meijiu, Kingbrite, Mars Hydro and then spiderfarmer, medicgrow etc etc... blew up the market. None of them have really been in the efficiency race like the ChilLed and HLG have been. Also, Growmau5 went to work for HLG. ChilLed out of business? Cree was considered a good red, especially over epistar, but Osram really changed the game, like you're saying. HLG was using Samsung reds, until the Squares. Before the samsungs probably cree.

With the improved HP RGB, however, I'm more inclined to promote moving commercial lighting to the consumer market, rather than using midpowers of yesteryears. That's just my opinion though. I like the idea of 2 bars covering a 4x4, with optimized optics. I have nothing against midpowers in growtents, I've grown plenty of great bud even without added 660nm... but you need too many to breach the 3 mark.

 

[ilovetoskiatalta]

I can say, for sure, that, even when lighting was in the primitive days, back in the 70's and 80's and 90's and everything was the "wrong" spectrum and inefficient and all that, etc., growers STILL grew great marijuana in spite of it. The goal, back then, was to get the "strongest" light....and, typically, that came from repurposing HID bulbs. You had two flavors back then, Metal Halide or High Pressure Sodium. But most of them ran on a 220 circuit and had different kinds of plugs. So, if you knew how to hook one up, then you could out-yield anyone who was using fluorescent shop lights -which was the other option. It had nothing to do with the spectrum. It had to do with intensity. If you were using fluorescents, then you kept them literally right on top of the plants and in the center area of the tubes, to get the intensity....Got great quality, but comparatively much lower yields.

And, even in the early days of LED fixtures, there were all kinds of theories about spectrums (blurple) and NASA research to back it up, etc. Might as well put those fixtures on The Antiques Road Show now!

Remote open 1000w magnetic hps ballasts mounted to 3/4" plywood outside the room with se end horizontal hoods with hamster fans through the hoods...

 

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