Hand Banana
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I always heard that a mixed spectrum is beneficial, better than either blue or red working on their own?
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repvip
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Correct. Which is why most of the more expensive LED grow lights have a specific red:blue ratio AND pattern which has been patented. I've even read one study where this certain pattern of layering red and blue lights creates additional wavelengths of light that can penetrate through the top foliage and provide usable light to plant material underneath. Needless to say the combo lights have been proven to be more efficient in all stages of growth, and usually have more red to blue. Like 4:1 or 8:1.
But hey. LED's are pieces of shit, eh potpimp?
heheHey pimp,
You got Jose Cervantes DVD? Thats all you will ever need.
I got back to ya, Check it out. Cloning 101
You mentioned you were always told to take them from the bottom of the stalk and I have seen the size of your cuttings. I think maybe you misinterpreted the meaning there. Take the clones from the lowest branches yes but dont cut them at the stalk. Take cuttings a couple nodes down from the tip of the branch. Better yet, take them from a shoot off the lowest branch on the stalk. Then you have your clone and a growing tip continue and become a bud site.
You going to love that DVD
I got back to ya, Check it out. Cloning 101
You mentioned you were always told to take them from the bottom of the stalk and I have seen the size of your cuttings. I think maybe you misinterpreted the meaning there. Take the clones from the lowest branches yes but dont cut them at the stalk. Take cuttings a couple nodes down from the tip of the branch. Better yet, take them from a shoot off the lowest branch on the stalk. Then you have your clone and a growing tip continue and become a bud site.
You going to love that DVD
potpimp
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Oh noooooooooo!! You mean my 100% SUCKcess has been because I cut them next to the stalk? That was never even a consideration for me; I just thought that was how it was done. I'm going to see if I have some more that I can take today but first I need to get the new clone unit built. Fortunately I have everything I need for that. This one will be using the 396 pump rather than the aero fogger. I'm going to snip it next to the stalk, trim it at 45 degrees about 1/4" below the 3rd node, peel off the bottom branches or leaves and the outter skin, dunk em in cloning gel and put them into the cloner. Thanks man; you totally rock!!
lilmafia513
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Actually if you click on Cruzers bottom sig. journal, there is an awesome step by step cloning in there. You might already know that, but thought it might come in handy, i just read it and couldn't believe how good it was!!
dvsdsm
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On this last run in the video guys, those clones i took, were from everywhere, top, bottom, I mean everywhere. Only thing i've seen on this is you can watch the smaller cuttings root about 3-6 days faster than a bigger cutting. I can only say this for this strain. I must be doing something right though, my master kush looked like a chia pet on the bottom of it's grodan cube at 3 days old. White Widow and Helen Keller taking about 5 days for a good 2 inch long half dozen to show, 14 days and they ready for the show.
lilmafia513
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Hey DVS, Don't want to flutter up pimps thread, would ya mind stopping by my journal in the sig., got a few questions for ya on the white widows. Thanks!
bobbyboy34
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well that all depends, first off you would not use LED's buy themselves, therefore using a mixed spetrum LED board is not the most beneficial. LED boards are used as supplemental lighting, therfore this means that you must have some other form of light, mostly being HO FLO's.
HO Flo's are not totally 6500K, that is just the spectrum that comes most from the bulb. You are still getting Some white, yellow and red. Therefore, i myself IMO, think that using an all blue board would be more benifical due to the characteristics Blue LED boards gives to the plant, which are branching and foliage. If you have an abundance of blue spectrum your internode length should in theory be shorter(which should in theroy let you veg longer with many more nodes). For example, side by side test with mixed spectrum and blue spectrum both with flos, should in theory either be the same height but the blue spectrum with many more nodes equaling more foliage, or the blue spectrum shorter than mixed and with more nodes and foliage. But hey, we are going to find out soon anyways, because im about to buy four 50w all blue LED boards to add to my four HO 6500k Flo's!
I have already played with the mixed spectrum boards and i personally don't like, im selling them. If anyone wants them PM me
repvip
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Cool. Can't wait to see what happens. You should read this article--they have the fulltext available online.well that all depends, first off you would not use LED's buy themselves, therefore using a mixed spetrum LED board is not the most beneficial. LED boards are used as supplemental lighting, therfore this means that you must have some other form of light, mostly being HO FLO's.
HO Flo's are not totally 6500K, that is just the spectrum that comes most from the bulb. You are still getting Some white, yellow and red. Therefore, i myself IMO, think that using an all blue board would be more benifical due to the characteristics Blue LED boards gives to the plant, which are branching and foliage. If you have an abundance of blue spectrum your internode length should in theory be shorter(which should in theroy let you veg longer with many more nodes). For example, side by side test with mixed spectrum and blue spectrum both with flos, should in theory either be the same height but the blue spectrum with many more nodes equaling more foliage, or the blue spectrum shorter than mixed and with more nodes and foliage. But hey, we are going to find out soon anyways, because im about to buy four 50w all blue LED boards to add to my four HO 6500k Flo's!
I14 have already played with the mixed spectrum boards and i personally don't like, im selling them. If anyone wants them PM me
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/ijlink?linkType=ABST&journalCode=hortsci&resid=27/5/427
It basically talks about how a minimal amount of blue wavelength light added to red light will eliminate excessive stem growth. You are right--plants grown in red-only LEDs will stretch for sure, but it takes a surprisingly small amount of blue light to stop the stretch.
This one is a good read too
http://www.lightinglab.fi/enlighten/publications/internetui_akvile.pdf
Anyway... you seem pretty anti-LED? I'm still forming an opinion, but I think they will eventually take over. This product alone could replace my 2 1000w HPS, which cost $80-100/month just to run 12/12 (No, I don't know the exact cost. Yes I could calculate it. No, I don't care.)
http://www.growrevolution.com/product02.html
sorry pp I'm done hijacking! Can't wait to see some flowers on those bitches!
edit: wanted to add that I think growing under blue only LEDs will be great--it will for sure make tight bushy plants. I didn't find any evidence as to the combination lights being better than blue only--at least for marijuana--it depends on what you are growing and what you are trying to do.. flower or veg.. however, when flowering with red it is beneficial to have a small amount of blue light to keep stretching minimal.
I got the UFO with more red to blue because my plants will be under it for maybe 1-2 weeks then right into flower under the HPS--wanted them ready.
I still don't have an opinion on using LEDs to replace larger HPS lamps, but am paying close attention.
bobbyboy34
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im am def not anti-led. i am looking for anything that will make a sativa dominant plant more bushy, my WW plants have 4-6" internodes, i'd like to make that 1/2-1" internode. I will not bloom with LED's as to i found that the GE bulb i have has mega amount of red, my grow area is very very orange-reddish..
All in all, it depends on what the grower is trying to do, to each his own yah?
potpimp
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Well I mixed up a little juju juice and foliar fed my little clones; they were wilted limp of course. I expect them to be perked up in the morning though. I'm wondering if I should plug them into rapid rooters. Any suggestions would be great.
edited to add: and my hands smell that old familiar funk that they did last year when I was using Advanced Nutes. The whole house smelled like it and it's hard to get off your hands too.
edited to add: and my hands smell that old familiar funk that they did last year when I was using Advanced Nutes. The whole house smelled like it and it's hard to get off your hands too.
bobbyboy34
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juju juice??? who's that bY?
HawaiianBudz
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Those led's are sick. Ill be looking foward to this grow.
Good luck
Good luck
bobbyboy34
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Yep, the plan is to flower with only the LED's and the little T5's. Since it's a perpetual harvest, what matters most to me is the knowledge I get from this experiment. I am willing to sacrifice a little bud for that.
Just got in from a little out of town trip. Somehow, something happened and my plants roots were dry as a shuck. The timer has not been coming on like it should. I don't know it it got knocked off or what but the plants are terrible looking and nearly dead. I got the pump going again and got the roots wet then mixed up some Superthrive and gave the roots and tops a good spraying. I can only hope now.
how many days/hours did your plants go unwatered?
potpimp
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Bobby the juju juice is just my own concoction of water, superthrive, B52, and Jumpstart. The plants went about a full day, maybe a little longer without water.
It's been bugging me that I put my plants on a 12/12 timer about two weeks ago and I haven't seen the first suggestion of a bud yet. So this morning I double checked everything. Yep, the power strip for the lights is plugged into the side of the timer. Hmmmm... there are two plugs here, wonder if one is different from the other? I think I'll rotate the timer and see if the lights go off. (rotating dial) ...nothing. CRAP!!! I turn the timer over just a little and see a little red switch on the side. I slide it one way then the other and it moves. I again rotate the dial and out go the lights. Heart sinks. Well at least now I know why there's no damn bud. AND I also know that I can take more clones, if necessary, for the next week with no adverse reaction.
Speaking of the clones, two of them are standing tall this morning; the rest look like they are still asleep. I don't think the dome helped at all or either the 65w CFL is too big for them. Maybe I should replace it with a little 26w? And I can still put them in rapid rooters today if you think that would be best.
It's been bugging me that I put my plants on a 12/12 timer about two weeks ago and I haven't seen the first suggestion of a bud yet. So this morning I double checked everything. Yep, the power strip for the lights is plugged into the side of the timer. Hmmmm... there are two plugs here, wonder if one is different from the other? I think I'll rotate the timer and see if the lights go off. (rotating dial) ...nothing. CRAP!!! I turn the timer over just a little and see a little red switch on the side. I slide it one way then the other and it moves. I again rotate the dial and out go the lights. Heart sinks. Well at least now I know why there's no damn bud. AND I also know that I can take more clones, if necessary, for the next week with no adverse reaction.
Speaking of the clones, two of them are standing tall this morning; the rest look like they are still asleep. I don't think the dome helped at all or either the 65w CFL is too big for them. Maybe I should replace it with a little 26w? And I can still put them in rapid rooters today if you think that would be best.
bobbyboy34
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that sucks bro, i had a similar problems two days ago, i forgot to plug my misters back in after i hand unplugged them to go inside the res to check and adjust PH. 10 hours went by and my plants were droopy.
So i added 1drop/gal superthrive turned it back on and they came back within two hours....phew!!! i know how that heart sink feeling is....good thing cannabis is a durable plant
So i added 1drop/gal superthrive turned it back on and they came back within two hours....phew!!! i know how that heart sink feeling is....good thing cannabis is a durable plant
offgridgrower
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hey potpimp i did'nt want to post these up in bobbyboy's thread, an then i read your thread an see your discussion on the cloning and the links an all but since i took the pics already here you go,
this is where i took my last cutting
this is where im taking my new cutting
i couldnt take a decent pic with the blade at the 45 but here is how your cut should look
dipping in the clonex gel
putting in the pre-soaked peat pellet(pre soak with B1/h2o mix)
mama before cutting
mama after cutting, note: i had to leave about 10 or 12 cuttings still on the mama because i ran out of peat pellets, normally the mama would look even more bare after a cutting session.
put them in your tray, mist them, close the lid, mist every day, keep the tray warm, roots in 2 weeks no fuss!!
this is where i took my last cutting
this is where im taking my new cutting
i couldnt take a decent pic with the blade at the 45 but here is how your cut should look
dipping in the clonex gel
putting in the pre-soaked peat pellet(pre soak with B1/h2o mix)
mama before cutting
mama after cutting, note: i had to leave about 10 or 12 cuttings still on the mama because i ran out of peat pellets, normally the mama would look even more bare after a cutting session.
put them in your tray, mist them, close the lid, mist every day, keep the tray warm, roots in 2 weeks no fuss!!
bobbyboy34
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offgrid, show me some pictures of your clones in 10 days, i want to see if the stems get purple, i also would like to see what the fan leaves end up looking like
offgridgrower
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ok, i can tell you that the bottomest of the leaves always yellow up, due to the lack of nutes during cloning, i dont know about the purple stems, most of my stems stay green, the leaf stems get purple, but not the main stems.
Purple stems?
What I have found is some strains just have purple stalks and stems. Others are green but if they get cold at night they turn purple. Once the warm up and start to grow again the new growth is green. Then after a while the purple goes away.
So I have to think it has to do with the ability to transfer nutrients up the stalk.
Sort of like a blood blister its stagnate. It wont kill it but it's growing has been slowed down some.
Not fact, Just what I have observed there.
What I have found is some strains just have purple stalks and stems. Others are green but if they get cold at night they turn purple. Once the warm up and start to grow again the new growth is green. Then after a while the purple goes away.
So I have to think it has to do with the ability to transfer nutrients up the stalk.
Sort of like a blood blister its stagnate. It wont kill it but it's growing has been slowed down some.
Not fact, Just what I have observed there.