Growing Plants Upside Down

[nunof]

Don't tell me a vertical ScrOG or LST wouldn't work. I'm not talking about flipping the branches upsidown, I'm talking about changing the OP's question to KNOWN WORKING METHODS. When you can prove to me that a vertical ScROG and/or LST doesn't work for growing (which I have been witness to them working) then come back to me. I never said to flip a branch upside down and never would, but I have seen MANY plants with branches tied down to recieve supplimental lighting eminating from BELOW the pot.

 

[BCtrippin]

Don't tell me a vertical ScrOG or LST wouldn't work. I'm not talking about flipping the branches upsidown, I'm talking about changing the OP's question to KNOWN WORKING METHODS. When you can prove to me that a vertical ScROG and/or LST doesn't work for growing (which I have been witness to them working) then come back to me. I never said to flip a branch upside down and never would, but I have seen MANY plants with branches tied down to recieve supplimental lighting eminating from BELOW the pot.

Where did I say vertical doesnt work.....

....vertical is different. What your describing is putting a plant above the light source and bending the branches down.

Unless you bend the branches so that they are level or bellow the light it wont work. PERIOD. When the tips flip back up, if they dont have light shining on them they wont grow properly. You will get low yields and waste a lot of time.

When you bend and tie the branches down they will flip back up, regardless of where the light is. If you didnt tie them down so they are bellow the light (even off to the side but BELLOW) then its not gonna work. You will get shit yields and waste a lot of time.

'supplemental lighting' being the key here. No one is saying adding more lights below is a bad idea. But having your only light bellow the plant will not work. PERIOD. Your going to need your main light source above the canopy.

If you dont believe me why dont you try it, but a plant right side up above the light source and try to bend it down.......Then after your finished wasting a lot of time and money, try putting the light over your plants and grow some real chronic.

 

[nunof]

BCtrippin, in post 20 you quoted me and said vertical ScrOG and LST wont work. Obviously there was a miss communication....but you did say it.

What if you did like a hanging pot and Low Stress Trained it down toward the light. You would have to start with lights above until you could train it down, but it would probably do what you are looking for instead of hanging the pot upside down.

My idea was about training the plant downward.... not flipping the bud sites upside down toward a light 3 feet below the nearest branch. Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this. I've seen what I'm talking about done, so I don't need validation from the forums.

 

[BCtrippin]

BCtrippin, in post 20 you quoted me and said vertical ScrOG and LST wont work. Obviously there was a miss communication....but you did say it.



My idea was about training the plant downward.... not flipping the bud sites upside down toward a light 3 feet below the nearest branch. Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this. I've seen what I'm talking about done, so I don't need validation from the forums.

I wasn't saying vertical scrog and LST dont work.... Just look at FloJos vert grow....or check out Health Robinson the God Father of vertical growing.

What Im saying is you cant train weed to grow down. It will grow upwards weather you put a light above it or below it.


Also I just want to be clear. Pictures can be deveiving, especially with Vert grows, Sometimes plants appear to be doing things that seem impossible, or growing out of places that seem unrealistic. But when you set foot in a vertical grow room you quickly realize just how different it is compared to pics.

 

[Hooker]

No You Can Not.

Weed is Gravitropic, this is why if you flip a shoot with a flower on it upside down, the flower will flip back up within a hour or 2 with light or no light.

To put it in simple terms, there are "starchy" cells that will settle towards gravity.

If you put a healthy plant upside down, even with a light source underneath, all the branches would flip over and stretch for the ceiling. The roots would start drooping towards the floor. And the part thats closest to the floor (the "top" of the plant) would develop big gross wart looking things that would try to pop out roots..... and eventually the plant will just die from stress.

It would be a horrible disaster. It would be like Marijuana plant Snuff.... Its torture to a Chronic plant. Please dont do it.

Lol I'm sorry but it kinda sounds like you are pullin some of this out of... *ahem ahem* your ass. You seriously think that roots would start trying to grow out of the leaves of my plant if it was growing upside down?

 

[Hooker]

Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this. I've seen what I'm talking about done, so I don't need validation from the forums.

Nunof thx for the plus rep and believing in my experiment. =]

And btw it's just an experiment... yes I am willing to waste some time and possibly a good plant or two in an attempt to develop superior plants. That's just the way I am.

 

[JonKollar]

i have seen pics of this years ago on cannabisculture.com.... seemed to work well.. no need for branches to ssupport bud just has to dangle the buds instead of having to hold up all that weight...... deff possible

 

[BCtrippin]

Lol I'm sorry but it kinda sounds like you are pullin some of this out of... *ahem ahem* your ass. You seriously think that roots would start trying to grow out of the leaves of my plant if it was growing upside down?

.....no not the leaves

Read it. Weed is Gravitropic. All the branches and leaves would curl up towards the roof. If somehow the plant could be kept alive after a couple weeks you would notice a big wart like callus growing on the bottom of the stalk. Normally this buildup will be in the root mass....but since the plant is upside down they will settle on the lowest point of stalk and build up.

Its kinda like when you try to reveg a plant after harvest, the stalk gets big and thick and looks like calluses forming on it out of which new growth forms.

Since the plant is upside down the new growth would not be shoots, it would be roots.....but the plant will die long before this ever happens.


I dont know how far up my ass I would have to reach to make shit like this up.....but if you do a little research for yourself I wouldnt have to explain this to you again.

 

[BCtrippin]

Is anyone even thinking about how to feed the plant?

Roots grow in search of water. Since the plant in upside down the water will be running through the medium towards the plant....and the roots will follow.

Theres already been a big thread about this.....Its a waste of time and Will Not Work.

You just Can Not grow weed upside down. Once you realize what Gravitropic means you will understand why this is a waste of time


Leave it to stoners to come out with the same old ideas thinking its gonna be some new unheard of style of growing that will yield massive amounts.... Theres a reason people arent already doing this. Its probably been tried in the 60s and was a waste of time then.

If it was a good idea people would be doing this everywhere.

 

[nunof]

I think we are beating a dead horse now....anyone have anything new for us to argue about lol!

 

[Hooker]

lol yes we are... one final thing though... I don't know how to +rep can somebody tell me how?

 

[nunof]

Its the little scale icon between the post number icon and the report post icon at the top right corner of their post. If its not showing up you will need to go to "My Rollitup" Click on the "edit options" button on the left hand column, and scroll to the bottom. Once there change your forum skin dropdown to blzn'07 and you should be good to go.

 

[jimmy130380]

my dads doing this right now with tomartos
2 in upside pvp 90mm pipe
8 in soil normal way
the ones in dirt a bigger and stronger
its good if you are in a tight areas
looks cool but

 

[BCtrippin]

my dads doing this right now with tomartos
2 in upside pvp 90mm pipe
8 in soil normal way
the ones in dirt a bigger and stronger
its good if you are in a tight areas
looks cool but

Yes growing upside down works great for tomatoes and some other vegetables but they are not gravitropic plants.


As far as repping, the new layout is bugged, scroll down to the bottom of the page and switch the template layout to Blzn07

 

[beginningbotanist420]

I'm more interested in the idea of growing a plant completely horizontal... The science behind both ideas show that they would work, but no ones bothered to try something they can't find on the interweb and the pro's are too stubborn to try new methods of growing.

 

[Hooker]

I'm more interested in the idea of growing a plant completely horizontal... The science behind both ideas show that they would work, but no ones bothered to try something they can't find on the interweb and the pro's are too stubborn to try new methods of growing.

hm... that would make good use of my fluoro tubes. Maybe I will make an all-around experimental grow journal.

 

[Hooker]

I'm more interested in the idea of growing a plant completely horizontal... The science behind both ideas show that they would work, but no ones bothered to try something they can't find on the interweb and the pro's are too stubborn to try new methods of growing.

Although besides the fact that it could make use of my poor lighting... what would be the point of growing horizontal?

 

[beginningbotanist420]

No You Can Not.

Weed is Gravitropic, this is why if you flip a shoot with a flower on it upside down, the flower will flip back up within a hour or 2 with light or no light.

To put it in simple terms, there are "starchy" cells that will settle towards gravity.

If you put a healthy plant upside down, even with a light source underneath, all the branches would flip over and stretch for the ceiling. The roots would start drooping towards the floor. And the part thats closest to the floor (the "top" of the plant) would develop big gross wart looking things that would try to pop out roots.....

How do you know cannabis is gravitropic as apposed to phototropic? If you flip a branch down, it will grow up. Is this because it's growing away from gravity or towards light? Isn't that the whole concept behind vertical gardens, that all the plants will grow towards the light?

Or have you never done a CFL grow where light bulbs surround the plant? The plant actually grows towards the bulb. Have you ever noticed an indoor potted plant, and how it grows towards the window? My friend is a florist and she likes maintaing bountiful gardens of legal plants. One year for friends birthday she actually grew flowers into the shape of a 2 and a 5 just by moving the light around and using certain reflector-type things, and the plant grew towards the light.

I think it's possible you could do this, but it's not a very good idea. What if water drips on your light or other eletrical component? Why not just do it normally? Unless you want to do this as an attempt at a new way of growing, I wouldn't do it.

 

[Amigatec]

Yes you can.

Upside Down Tomato Plant/

 

[beginningbotanist420]

Although besides the fact that it could make use of my poor lighting... what would be the point of growing horizontal?

Well I for one have a window seat in my room that opens up and inside, its 50"x19"x28" [lwh]. It would be perfect but its turned the wrong way. Also, a stealth growbox inside of a footlocker/trunk would be a great cover. And you could maintain a mother or grow clones inside a dresser drawer.