Persian White Poppies (DWC, and Soil)

[2cimdma]

Yep its true you can harvest a pod more than once. You can do it a few times just wait a couple days in between so it will produce more potent morphine content. Plus each plant will keep putting out new pods right by where the leaves meet the stem. Some people say they've gotten up to 30 pods off one. I havent gotten that many but I got quite a few. For potency I go with the Persian Whites and even better yet Tasmanian's. Tas's have been bred to produce potent opium for the pharmacology industry. Also some people like Hen's&Chicks which produce one main pod surronded by many little one. If your looking for the biggest pods go with Giganteum's. I have some Tasmainians, and Giganteum's growing right now. Once they mature and start to flower I'll post some pics for you guys to see. Anymore questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help.

 

[grodrowithme]

Is the pod the big round bulb at the top of the plant and how do you get the good stuff out of it and use it. Are there different ways to extract for different uses

 

[grodrowithme]

+++rep dude i want to learn more

 

[2cimdma]

Thanks for the rep everyone.

Yes the pod if first found at the top of the plant but as it mature you will start to see more of them further down the plant. As soon as my lights kick on in a hours Ill take a picture of the beginging of another pods so you can see what Im taking about.

For harvesting you can either just let them grow and die and then make tea or you can lance the pods. Lancing the pod means slicing it. To do this if you've never done it before the best method would be to use a razor blade. Hold the pod in one hand(carefull not to bend it from the stem to much or it can break off), and with the other hand hold the razor. Take the corner of the razor and put it on the pod. Then LIGHTLY press the corner of the razor into the pod until you see the opium start to come out. It will look just like milk. Once it starts to come out then keep that depth and SLOWLY and CAREFULLY take the razor blade up the pod or across it(it doesn matter what direction). I personally like going from down to up cause I find it easier to scrape off the pod but thats just me. The trick is is not to go to deep. The poppy pod consists of two layers which the opium is between and all you wanna do is cut the top layer. If you cut the second layer the opium will go into the middle of the pod. So if you make a cut and at first there was opium coming out and then it starts dissapearing well you know youve gone to deep at some popint. If you make a cut and just little pin dots of opium are coming out you'll gone to shallow(scratched the surface) To shallow isnt a big deal. Anyways lance a pod on three sides of it and wait two days between cuts. After making the cuts just let it sit overnight and it will dry up to a reddish brow color. Then take a razor and lick it to use for scrapping th opium. Licking it keeps the opium from sticking to it. Now you have raw opium

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

Thanks for the rep everyone.

Yes the pod if first found at the top of the plant but as it mature you will start to see more of them further down the plant. As soon as my lights kick on in a hours Ill take a picture of the beginging of another pods so you can see what Im taking about.

For harvesting you can either just let them grow and die and then make tea or you can lance the pods. Lancing the pod means slicing it. To do this if you've never done it before the best method would be to use a razor blade. Hold the pod in one hand(carefull not to bend it from the stem to much or it can break off), and with the other hand hold the razor. Take the corner of the razor and put it on the pod. Then LIGHTLY press the corner of the razor into the pod until you see the opium start to come out. It will look just like milk. Once it starts to come out then keep that depth and SLOWLY and CAREFULLY take the razor blade up the pod or across it(it doesn matter what direction). I personally like going from down to up cause I find it easier to scrape off the pod but thats just me. The trick is is not to go to deep. The poppy pod consists of two layers which the opium is between and all you wanna do is cut the top layer. If you cut the second layer the opium will go into the middle of the pod. So if you make a cut and at first there was opium coming out and then it starts dissapearing well you know youve gone to deep at some popint. If you make a cut and just little pin dots of opium are coming out you'll gone to shallow(scratched the surface) To shallow isnt a big deal. Anyways lance a pod on three sides of it and wait two days between cuts. After making the cuts just let it sit overnight and it will dry up to a reddish brow color. Then take a razor and lick it to use for scrapping th opium. Licking it keeps the opium from sticking to it. Now you have raw opium

You are just full of usefull information. I have been following you thread now for a while. Being a recovered Opiate addict I have no intention of growing Poppies for myself to use personaly, none the less I'm going give it a try. If I had this knowledge 5-6 years ago, it would have made Withdrawel and Kicking the Heroin habbit a lot easier I think. Certainly Cheaper. I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. I hope its helping you with your condition.

How is the law written in terms of growing poppies in the U.S? I beleive they are legal to grow if you don't slice them, right? Would you say that you prefer the Tea to the Smokable form of raw opium or is just that grinding it is a more affective manner of getting more active compound out of them? How do you know when they are ready for extraction? Will they dry out on there on when they are still on the plant or should I cut them off when I think they are done?
Thanks for the How-to on poppie production.

 

[grodrowithme]

cool i wanna see the pics and from what i understand you can have more than 1 pod per plant about how many times can you slice it before it quits producing

 

[NewGrowth]

Thanks for the thread man. Poppies are beautiful flowers I usually plant them around my garden. I have never scraped them for opium though.

 

[aknight3]

im also subscribed and very interested, i want to know more about harvesting, make sure u keep a full journal i would like to grow some poppies, do they smell?

 

[NewGrowth]

I only smoked opium once, a friend brought it back from Afganistan on tour. It just kinda sedated the hell out of me. Crazy stuff for sure, I don't think I would want to smoke it often.

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

I only smoked opium once, a friend brought it back from Afganistan on tour. It just kinda sedated the hell out of me. Crazy stuff for sure, I don't think I would want to smoke it often.

You've got to love Those american soldiers supporting Terrorism. Nothing like some good Afgan Opium. Jk.

 

[2cimdma]

You are just full of usefull information. I have been following you thread now for a while. Being a recovered Opiate addict I have no intention of growing Poppies for myself to use personaly, none the less I'm going give it a try. If I had this knowledge 5-6 years ago, it would have made Withdrawel and Kicking the Heroin habbit a lot easier I think. Certainly Cheaper. I think there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. I hope its helping you with your condition.

How is the law written in terms of growing poppies in the U.S? I beleive they are legal to grow if you don't slice them, right? Would you say that you prefer the Tea to the Smokable form of raw opium or is just that grinding it is a more affective manner of getting more active compound out of them? How do you know when they are ready for extraction? Will they dry out on there on when they are still on the plant or should I cut them off when I think they are done?
Thanks for the How-to on poppie production.

Yep you pretty much right with the law part. But if your growing say an acre or so then they are going to know whats up. There have been some descent field grown and caught in the USA. On in Iowa a couple years ago, and quite a big one in the Sierra Nevada mountains. But when people get caught it all depends on how good they can play it off that they didnt know they were doing something illegal. Now if I was to get caught with a a good grow I would be on my way to prison just because I have been in trouble before for heroin. So they are going to know what my poppies are about.

I I dont really have a favorite method I like both and you dont really have to make a choice cause you can do both. You can scrape the opium will it flower and then once its done then you can make tea. You dont really need to process the raw opium into "smokable opium". For one you want a descent amount of opium to even do this to make it worth the time and two when I scrape my plants I dont collect alot of other crap material ie. parts of the pods and other impurities(thats all what processing from raw to smokable does). Im not saying Im some master lord opium harvester Im just saying Im not in central america sharvesting 1000's of friggin pods in my massive poppy field. But if you get enough raw opium and you feel the burning desire to process it into "smokable opium" just get a metal pot or whatever and boil some water then take the pot of the heat and as soon as it stops boiling(probably rightr when you take it off the heat)then toss your raw in there. It will deissolve pretty quick. Once it completly disolves then strain it. The filter will catch any pieces of the pods or whatever else is in there beside opium. The opium will be a liquid mixed with water. After you strain it then put the liquid back on the stove and heat till the water is steaming. DONT BOIL. After awhile the water will all steam off and youll be left with a black tarry gob of wholesome goodness thank makes my heart flutter with love.

You will know when they are ready for harvesting when the crown ontop of the pod is standing straight out or upwards. In a couple more days I will take a closs up picture of this. I have pics but they arent that close.

For drying I have cut them off. I do this cause when the top pod is dying and there are other pods growing on the same plant I dont want the plant trying to keep the top pod alive. Meaning I dont want the poppy to use energy on a dying cause I want it to use all its energy on the pods that are still growing on it. When I make tea I use the pods along with the steams as well. If you cut a steam or break one ane a living poppy opium will come out. So once its dead there is still opium in the steam as well. No reason to let it go to waste.

 

[2cimdma]

Hey sorry I forgot to take pictures yesterday. But I will remeber today. My lights come on at 2:30 so in about an hour and 15 minutes. You can slice a pod a few times. Its hard to put a number on it cause it kinda varies. What will happen is you will notice that after so many times the opium that will come out will be almost clear, thats when you know its done. As long as it stays a creamy white then your good.

No poppies dont have any kind of pugent smell like weed or anything. Ive had alittle less than 150 of them in a room at one time and it has no bad smell. Its also nice cause alot of people know what weed looks like but how many people would think that someone is growing opium in their house.

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

Hey sorry I forgot to take pictures yesterday. But I will remeber today. My lights come on at 2:30 so in about an hour and 15 minutes. You can slice a pod a few times. Its hard to put a number on it cause it kinda varies. What will happen is you will notice that after so many times the opium that will come out will be almost clear, thats when you know its done. As long as it stays a creamy white then your good.

No poppies dont have any kind of pugent smell like weed or anything. Ive had alittle less than 150 of them in a room at one time and it has no bad smell. Its also nice cause alot of people know what weed looks like but how many people would think that someone is growing opium in their house.

What would you say the surface area of your room is? And about how large of pot is needed for planting a single plant, or if I can put several into say a 1gallon pot? Also PH, Temp and Humidity would help. I just continplating putting a couple dozen pots into my grow room or making a seperate room for them. Thanks alot, you have been very helpfull.

 

[2cimdma]

My poppie growroom is in total about 200 square feet but I only use 1/2 of it. It use to be a back porch that was made into a room that use to be our like relaxed livingroom(we had 2 livingrooms one formal and then another we actually used). I didnt like the whole two livingrooms idea I thought it was a waste(my wife didnt agree with this of course but I forgive her shes only a woman...Just kidding ladies) So anyways I plotted and schemed till I couldnt anymore and then I over took her formal livingroom and made it into out 1 dedicated living room. Of course with the one I just annexed back I wasnt originally going to make it a grow room. I was going to make it into a man land with a bar in the corner, big tv, darts, and air hockey. But then one night in my sleep I had a dream and in that dream I was told "if you grow it you will be high". So man land became grow land. My growroom(for poppies) has the best spot in the damn house. I live on 50 acres and the room over looks our pond. But I used this room cause 3 walls of it are all windows. But since I live outside of town I dont have to worry about people walking around. I have 13 acres cleared and the remaining land is woods, that Im surrounded by.

I dont know what the humididty is this room, its not really a big issue with poppies. The state where I live in is naturally pretty humid we have swamps around us. The PH keep high around 7.5 with soil(atleast thats wehat they say,I dont really ever check it) and with hydro I have literally tested the water one time. Only because when I bought a PH terster for weed I decided to check my poppies and it was pretty high in the 7's. But I had been growing for awhile by then and I figures theres no reason to contaminate my weed by mixing the res waters of the poppies and the weed.

They are very easy to grow. They are nice to grow with weed for that simple fact. I grow weed via DWC so I always Im having to make adjustments with that system so its time consuming. Poppies I rarelly check. I havent changed the res in a month atleast. Just get some seeds and give it a try and you'll see what Im talking about.

 

[2cimdma]

Oh and for pot size, Just keep the plants about 6" apart from eachother and you'll be good

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

My poppie growroom is in total about 200 square feet but I only use 1/2 of it. It use to be a back porch that was made into a room that use to be our like relaxed livingroom(we had 2 livingrooms one formal and then another we actually used). I didnt like the whole two livingrooms idea I thought it was a waste(my wife didnt agree with this of course but I forgive her shes only a woman...Just kidding ladies) So anyways I plotted and schemed till I couldnt anymore and then I over took her formal livingroom and made it into out 1 dedicated living room. Of course with the one I just annexed back I wasnt originally going to make it a grow room. I was going to make it into a man land with a bar in the corner, big tv, darts, and air hockey. But then one night in my sleep I had a dream and in that dream I was told "if you grow it you will be high". So man land became grow land. My growroom(for poppies) has the best spot in the damn house. I live on 50 acres and the room over looks our pond. But I used this room cause 3 walls of it are all windows. But since I live outside of town I dont have to worry about people walking around. I have 13 acres cleared and the remaining land is woods, that Im surrounded by.

I dont know what the humididty is this room, its not really a big issue with poppies. The state where I live in is naturally pretty humid we have swamps around us. The PH keep high around 7.5 with soil(atleast thats wehat they say,I dont really ever check it) and with hydro I have literally tested the water one time. Only because when I bought a PH terster for weed I decided to check my poppies and it was pretty high in the 7's. But I had been growing for awhile by then and I figures theres no reason to contaminate my weed by mixing the res waters of the poppies and the weed.

They are very easy to grow. They are nice to grow with weed for that simple fact. I grow weed via DWC so I always Im having to make adjustments with that system so its time consuming. Poppies I rarelly check. I havent changed the res in a month atleast. Just get some seeds and give it a try and you'll see what Im talking about.

Thanks a bunch, I already Germinating some mcormics seeds (untill the White Persians come in) Sound easy enough for me. As for the second living room, I feel ya pain. We have two A formal and the one we use every day. I don't know why she wanted the formal one. The couch cost more then one we use every day. Plus we never take company in there, and I get yelled at when I sit on it. I bought the Damn thing. Woman, they are a breed of their on. I just don't get it. I tried to convert the garage to man town, and she all of a sudden Wanted to keep the car in there. I swear it's a power thing. Anyway, thanks again. I'll hit you up if I have anymore questions.

 

[2cimdma]

Damn women. Cant live with them and cant legally shoot them(jk....kinda). I love being on this forum. My wife never will come on it so I can talk as tough as I want.. Anyways I took some pictures today. The first one is suppose to show a new pod begining to grow. I apologize that you can barely see it but it will become more noticable in a few days and Ill take another. The next pictures are of the poppys I started this grow journal with. Theres not much to say about them except they are three weeks old. I water them every few days. I have them under a 400 watt HPS on 12/12. I normally would have them under MH but all my MH bulbs are currently being used in my weed grow. So Im using my equipment on stuff I dont even use. Yep I just said it, I DONT SMOKE WEED. Im sorry all you guys if I let you down but I just dont like the stuff. The truth is that a friend saw how I was growing and he smokes weed and he suggested the idea of growing weed so thats how I ended up doing that. But anyways Im getting side tracked. The last picture is of my back yard I got 27.7kg of opium..........Im just screwing with ya I friggin wish that was my back yard.

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

You better hope she doesn't pop on and start reading. Your gonna be sleeping with those poppies if she does. I would have to say that I probibly only smoke about 3-5 times a year. I really am too busy with work to deal with the lack of motivation it gives me. I grow for my wife, she likes to smoke. It certainly would have been much cheaper for me to just call a dealer though. I can't imagine this being any safer either. Anyway enough about woman.
So, I assume that the stems will thicken up and start to grow upwards. Or are those the roots I'm seeing in white? What If I just planted them directly in soil? Do all the plants produce pods, or do the act like like the pot plant and only the female does.

 

[2cimdma]

Yep your right those white string looking thinks are the stems and the will thicken up and be able to support themselves. Alot of times they will be standing up and as soon as I mist them they fall over. But they will get thicker. Once I transplant them into bigger pots I will add more soil and kinda prop them up. The good news is that all poppys will produce pods. There is no looking after a plant for awhile only to find out it isnt worth nothing. If you plant directly into soil, depending on what your soil type is they should grow and spread like weeds. My outddor soil is crap and dont grow for nothing. Most of my soil is clay and during the rain season most of my yard will look like a pond and my actual pond will rise over the bank a couple feet. Plus I live where there are hurricanes and I dont know how the top heavy poppy would be during the next Katrina. But I was out there this weeked digging a garden(it was in the 70's). Im getting soil brought in and gonna give it a try again and see what happens. I probably have 1/4 million seeds so I might as well as use them.

 

[IslandGreenGuy]

well good luck to your outdoor venture. I have decent soil outdoors but the wind is a major problem. I'ts pretty normal for the wind to hit between 40-50 mph almost once every month. since I am surrounded by water, there isn't much that stops the wind from picking up and ripping through our back yard. We do have a rather big fence, maybe I could plant a few rows around it. That should stop most of the wind, or at best hold them up if they blow against it. Infact, the wind here is so bad at time, you cant get a ferry boat off the island. I have had family stuck out here for 3 days because of it.
What is it about the persian whites you like so much. Are they easier to grow then the tasmanian or is just that you have the persian seeds already? I ordered both types but im just curious. Earlier in thread you said something on the lines of them likeing winter. Being that I am in new england, should I plant some outdoor now? Or wait for spring?
Do you water with your pond water? I get my water from an underground well, I find it to be perfect for weed. But as for poppies go, I may have to raise the PH a bit. But who know, I gonna see how it works without doing it first.