Why the Black Album Sucked............
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skiskate
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I dont really even listen to hip hop, but i acknowledge that they do have skill. Sure they arent playing an instrument but they are still writing and singing lyrics.
Metallica is a great band but the whole napster thing kind of turned me off of them. But they still have some amazing songs.
Metallica is a great band but the whole napster thing kind of turned me off of them. But they still have some amazing songs.
fukdapolice
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its like no1 has heard of 'The Roots'... or Stetsasonic.
You'd be surprised how many hip hop artist and producers can actually play instruments. GT, as much respect as I have for you, it sounds more to me like you're disrespecting a culture and lifestyle than a genre of music. I'm not really sure how I feel about that.
fukdapolice
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hahaha why? i could see maybe the drummer, he seems like the weirdest out of all them LOL
GrowTech
stays relevant.
I was trying to emphasize a comparison between the selling out of a popular band that is known for playing well and writing brilliant songs, and the hip hop industry which is ultimately sold out before CDs hit shelves...
I know that there ARE talented musicians within the industry, however it is much more saturated by garbage than most other genres... The themes of almost all of the songs are generally the same... It's not about breaking through, it's about feeding people the same bile they've been drinking for years.
10-15 years ago you could ask any major label executive about how they feel in regards to the future of hip hop, and they would just point at record sales and smile, but now in 2009, there is nothing innovative, genuine, or exceedingly original.
Ultimately the lack of innovation, and originality is going to (and has proven to) drive that genre of music into the ground (In terms of sales at least). Popularity will follow eventually, people will grow tired of the same themes, the same this, the same that, the same ham dinner coming out of a different can.
Meanwhile, what I like to call "real musicians" are doing just fine... aside from this painful economic crisis we're in that is clearly bringing EVERY industry to its knees. Compare the sales across the board of genres, and you will see what I am saying.
Metallica never got anywhere promoting someone elses products in their lyrics or with their image, which is more than can be said about 90% of recognized artists in the hiphop/rap genre.
fukdapolice
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i can respect that
there are alot of 'hip hop' 'artists' who are garbage, and only weaken the genre. i agree with you on that. but there are still SOME real hip hop artists, and they consistently put out quality music. but those artists are not the ones being played on the radio, tv, etc... its sad, really.
the hip hop i listen to is very diverse - and NOT 'mainstream'. im glad we could talk about this is a way that is not putting one kind of music down.
GrowTech
stays relevant.
I can listen to almost anything, but quality counts- and lately the shit that has been playing on the radio, etc has been really lame.i can respect that
there are alot of 'hip hop' 'artists' who are garbage, and only weaken the genre. i agree with you on that. but there are still SOME real hip hop artists, and they consistently put out quality music. but those artists are not the ones being played on the radio, tv, etc... its sad, really.
the hip hop i listen to is very diverse - and NOT 'mainstream'. im glad we could talk about this is a way that is not putting one kind of music down.
kingtrip
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GrowTech,
I completely share your sentiments on the Metallica thing cuz, well, they just kick ass and I grew up hearing them from every angle in my family, and have ever been able to wrap my head around the people who hate on them because they've always tested their own limits and broaden their horizens with each album.
But I had to jump in here and at least TRY to defend the honor of some of the FEW Hip-Hop artists out there that do still have some kind of artistic integrity. Of course when I speak of Hip-Hop artists, I'm mainly speaking of the independent artists out there who aren't caught up in all the glitz and the glamour that all mainstream rap artists are associated with. Yes, the mainstream artists mainly do talk about cash, drugs, bitches and hoes, etc. -- but those guys are going off of a formula that sells units, which in turn makes, whatever one of the four major record labels they're a part of, a shit ton of money. Therein lies the problem...the four major record labels that are run by some asshole in a suit who isn't worried about artistic integrity, just the power of a dollar. That assholish mentality trickles down through the ranks and poisons every artist they have in the stable. It is sad, and it is sickening...
Now with independent hip-hop artists you get stories, you get real rhymes, you get original music, you hear the hunger in their songs, and you never listen to the same shit that the radio plays over and over again. In fact, you never hear these guys on the radio. But the fact still remains is that those guys have the right idea of what it means to be hip-hop. I point out companies like Rhymesayers Ent. and Definitive Jux because that's where the REAL heart and soul of Hip-Hop remains, not in the crap that you hear everyday on the radio.
Geez...this was really long winded...sorry bout that...
Trip
I completely share your sentiments on the Metallica thing cuz, well, they just kick ass and I grew up hearing them from every angle in my family, and have ever been able to wrap my head around the people who hate on them because they've always tested their own limits and broaden their horizens with each album.
But I had to jump in here and at least TRY to defend the honor of some of the FEW Hip-Hop artists out there that do still have some kind of artistic integrity. Of course when I speak of Hip-Hop artists, I'm mainly speaking of the independent artists out there who aren't caught up in all the glitz and the glamour that all mainstream rap artists are associated with. Yes, the mainstream artists mainly do talk about cash, drugs, bitches and hoes, etc. -- but those guys are going off of a formula that sells units, which in turn makes, whatever one of the four major record labels they're a part of, a shit ton of money. Therein lies the problem...the four major record labels that are run by some asshole in a suit who isn't worried about artistic integrity, just the power of a dollar. That assholish mentality trickles down through the ranks and poisons every artist they have in the stable. It is sad, and it is sickening...
Now with independent hip-hop artists you get stories, you get real rhymes, you get original music, you hear the hunger in their songs, and you never listen to the same shit that the radio plays over and over again. In fact, you never hear these guys on the radio. But the fact still remains is that those guys have the right idea of what it means to be hip-hop. I point out companies like Rhymesayers Ent. and Definitive Jux because that's where the REAL heart and soul of Hip-Hop remains, not in the crap that you hear everyday on the radio.
Geez...this was really long winded...sorry bout that...
Trip
Lord Bluntmasta
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hip hop is alright, I don't know why people are bashing it with a bunch of blanket statements like a bunch of 14 year olds. It's like saying CAN'T SPELL RAP WITHOUT CRAP LOLOL, cause that's such a clever statement. There's good music in a lot of genres. Not every one but hip-hop is definitely one of them. Anyway, back to metallica. Metallica sold out when they released the black album and cut their hair. the black album itself wasn't bad but it signified the change when they really stopped caring about the music and more about the money. These guys were metal as fuck in the 80s and they threw it down the drain for (bigger) commercial success.
Seen them LIVE in concert a couple weeks ago, From what I saw up there on stage, they can buy/wear whatever the fuck they want. I've seen the following hip/hop R&B Rock pop bands in concert.......50Cent Eminem (x3) Kid Rock (x4) Dave Mathews, Dre, Snoop,Machine Head, Pantera, Rollins Band,
Not one of those even held a Candle to Metallica, and I'm not all that big of a Metallica fan, I got the ticket for free, its was BY FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND the best concert I have ever been to. Just fucking almost MAJESTIC.
As far as HIP HOP 8 out of 10 songs are fucking stupid , but normally theres a few good tunes in there.
Not one of those even held a Candle to Metallica, and I'm not all that big of a Metallica fan, I got the ticket for free, its was BY FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND the best concert I have ever been to. Just fucking almost MAJESTIC.
As far as HIP HOP 8 out of 10 songs are fucking stupid , but normally theres a few good tunes in there.
kingtrip
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Yeah...Metallica are fuckin' raw live.
I think there needs to be some kind of clarification for the difference between Hip-Hop and Rap. As in, any artist that raps and is signed to a label that operate under the four majors, well then they're just puppet rappers and degrade the entire genre, as well as deserve no classification as REAL hip-hop. True Hip-Hop lies in the underground in the independent realm with the stuff that never gets heard on the radio and actually has substance. Maybe that's the problem...the stuff that IS good and HAS substance is never the stuff you hear. It's the money cash hoes stuff that always gets the play...but again, that goes back to the suits on the corporate labels.
The independent stuff is the music you hear from a friend of a friend and turns you on to stuff that SHOULD be on the radio, but choose to remain independent and underground because they have integrity.
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Trip
kingtrip
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I refer you back to this:
Because I don't think I could have said it any better...So what? You write some of the best songs ever, play the best shows ever, and you can't go out and buy something nice for yourself?
Should they still be living in some shithole in LA? Why?
Go write good music you can make money off of, and tell me if you don't end up looking like one of those goofy hiphop kids with baggy colorful clothing and bling bling.
Shame on you for this one! Why I oughtta
The Son of Man
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I believe artist call them the "black album" because they are their---"money albums" 
Lord Bluntmasta
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the first part or the second part??
anyway, you can't say that. Megadeth made a lot of money, they're still metal. Slayer made a lot of money, they're still metal.
METALlica betrayed the most important part of their name
THE MOTHER FUCKIN METAL
kingtrip
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The second part...what GrowTech said. I mean, I know that Metallica "sold out" or whatever, but most people consider them sell outs when they first made the video for "One" (or whichever was their first video) but they still continued to grow and despite the negativity thrown their way, still made bad ass music. I happen to like the "Black Album" because of the production that was thrown into it. The "Black Album" sounds the way it does cuz of the the Producer involved, and the cooperation of the band to actually go through with it...they knew they needed a change in their sound and they were right...
I mean, they could've made the same album for as long as they wanted to, but that wouldn't have warranted them a title for being a true artists, especially if they're just limiting themselves when they have the potential to expand their musical horizons.
It's like, an artist commits a "musical sin" if they stray away from their comfortable niche, take a risk and try something different. If it becomes commercially successful it's like they instantly need to be castrated for selling out and letting all the fans down.
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Lord Bluntmasta
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It's not that the black album was bad, or anything, it's that shortly after that they started writing complete shit. By this point in time they had run out of Cliff's material as well.
I just find it hypocritical that you ostracize some hip hop artists for being too commercial, and claiming you like "underground music"...and then turning around and saying you like "the new metallica" over their older, more underground, less commercial, more "metal" sound. Metal fans don't like sellouts, either. I don't blame metallica for changing the direction of their sound, though they changed that sound poorly. However, they had many diehard fans who they decided to spit in the face of in choice for money.
You say true hip hop is the stuff that isn't heard on the radio, and it lies in the underground. Well, if you haven't figured out by now, I'm a huge metal fan... I live breathe and eat metal. This is how I feel about metal, that the stuff of legends is not on the radio.
I don't really have any better way to explain this so I'll leave you with two videos. I'll let YOU decide which ones more metal!
[youtube]Mbvs9FNcjRI[/youtube]
or
[youtube]_9cZ0o0ErS4[/youtube]
I just find it hypocritical that you ostracize some hip hop artists for being too commercial, and claiming you like "underground music"...and then turning around and saying you like "the new metallica" over their older, more underground, less commercial, more "metal" sound. Metal fans don't like sellouts, either. I don't blame metallica for changing the direction of their sound, though they changed that sound poorly. However, they had many diehard fans who they decided to spit in the face of in choice for money.
You say true hip hop is the stuff that isn't heard on the radio, and it lies in the underground. Well, if you haven't figured out by now, I'm a huge metal fan... I live breathe and eat metal. This is how I feel about metal, that the stuff of legends is not on the radio.
I don't really have any better way to explain this so I'll leave you with two videos. I'll let YOU decide which ones more metal!
[youtube]Mbvs9FNcjRI[/youtube]
or
[youtube]_9cZ0o0ErS4[/youtube]
Louis541
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Mettalica is getting older. They aren't able to produce the sounds they used to be famous for. I read in a recent metalicca interview the lead singer said it himself if he was able to create the same kind of music he would.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1862826/posts
That is what I was sayin aout the terrorist incident. Can you really blame him for shaving his face and cutting his hair after that?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1862826/posts
That is what I was sayin aout the terrorist incident. Can you really blame him for shaving his face and cutting his hair after that?
Lord Bluntmasta
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thats in 2007, they all shaved and cut their hair (except hammet to a degree, though he still dresses like a pretty boy) in like 1996