FootballFirst
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sweet people, let's get back to me learning about the clone trade
Selling clones
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BCtrippin
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So if you dont support people selling for personal gain how are the thousands of people who use marijuana for medical purposes in Illegal states suppose to get their supply?
Grow ops are not cheap to run. It takes a major investment, and a LOT of time and work to produce enough product to be able to sell it.
The funny thing is if there wasn't people selling weed for personal gain, YOU would not be growing right now. You wouldnt even know where to get seeds....
If there wasnt people selling pot for personal gain we would still all be smoking Mexican field weed....
Its the competition in the weed market that forces people or companies to come out with new ideas and new better strains. If it wasnt for people who sell weed, there would be no good weed, no good seed suppliers, Nothing.
Im no "street corner pharmacist" or a "gangster" but I put a lot of time and money into my crops. Why wouldnt I sell it for what its worth. Whats the difference between selling weed you grow or a farmer selling tomatoes?
Please dont quote what I say out of context.But really dude, I am not giving you any crap. I agree with a lot of what you say and 99.9% of Dub's wisdom. I am not judging ANY Hingehead brothers to the north, as I hear the prices are reasonable. I am sure you have seen the numerous threads about how much kids can grow and how much they can sell. Here in Socal we pay more than what folks in the MIDWEST pay, and it is seriously illegal there. Here unless you have lots, it is a joke here. The fine violating the HOV/carpool lane is more than 4 times the fine for possesion of an oz.
Imagine if no one ever tried to make things better than they are now.
Your confusing street dealers/drug dealers with pot growers. I never said "drug dealers are saving the cannabis world" did I?
What I DID mean if it wasn't for people growing and selling pot for personal gain, there would be no seed suppliers, no good weed, Nothing.
Its the competition from growers selling for personal gain that force them to come out with a superior product.
Hayduke
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FootballFirst
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BCtrippin
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uh...
Stop taking this personal. it is not.
Im not taking it personal, but when people quote me out of context its annoying.
Where in that quote did I say tomatoes are worth as much as pot..
Even in the line you quoted, I said whats the difference between a grower selling pot and a farmer selling tomatoes?....FOR PERSONAL GAIN....
Nowhere did I say that tomatoes should be worth as much as pot.
DubB83
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Please understand that we are different people and I am not trying to have an e-fight with you. I respect you as a grower and people can agree to disagree.
I believe that with the proper attitude this will be obtainable, or close to it. It may not happen in my life time but I do hope that it does.
I say that it does not cost any more to produce one or the other, cost of production should determine final cost, at least in a corporate world... Until price gouging is brought in. You also factor in supply and demand, and I believe it is a valid fact that more people use marijuana on a daily basis than eat tomatoes.
I agree 100%, but I also feel that we can affect that eventually and it will not be an issue.
Supply and demand yes, but only after cost of production.
100% agree. I agree so much it hurts!
That is admirable, I am talking about the growers selling at retail prices, they will eventually get caught in my opinion. That is only because I believe in karma.
I agree that not everyone is going to grow their own but what is to say that if someone was offered the opportunity to help out with the financial burden and labor of a growing operation to mutually reap the benefits that they wouldn't do that over buying from a dealer? Kinda like a community garden where everyone contributes and shares in the wealth. This would then increase the density of gardens eventually because the cost would be minimal.I wish everyone would grow their own weed too, but its just not going to happen, Probably for the same reasons everyone doesnt grow their own food. Not everyone has the time or the money to do so.
I believe that with the proper attitude this will be obtainable, or close to it. It may not happen in my life time but I do hope that it does.
DubB83
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LOL, I think he has the same responses over and over again, free, $10, $20, $50. I think really the choice is his and he has responses from those who have experience participating in the task.
BCtrippin
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We actually have a community garden in my town, they are making it like 10x bigger this year because of the success, you can rent a small plot of land and grow your own vegetables.I agree that not everyone is going to grow their own but what is to say that if someone was offered the opportunity to help out with the financial burden and labor of a growing operation to mutually reap the benefits? Kinda like a community garden where everyone contributes and shares in the wealth. This would then increase the density of gardens eventually because the cost would be minimal.
I believe that with the proper attitude this will be obtainable, or close to it. It may not happen in my life time but I do hope that it does.
I agree, it would be great if we could all share and help each other out. But I guess one of my major flaws is Im a bit of a pessimist, and always a realist. I like to believe in hope and that people are capable of being better, but time and time again some moron proves me wrong.
If you could completely disregard the massive security issue of a community pot garden it would be a fucking Amazing idea. Kinda like a farmers market for weed.
I could just imagine all kinds of problems though, people complaining about thieves, or people bitching about bugs.
I could hear it now "you didnt kill your spider mites and they affected my crop
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Hayduke
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I am not confusing street dealers with growers. If a person acts like a street dealer and CHARGES STREET LEVEL PRICES! and happens to grow, that person is a street level drug dealer. Again I am sure this is not youPlease dont quote what I say out of context.
Your confusing street dealers with growers. I never said "drug dealers are saving the cannabis world" did I?
What I DID mean if it wasn't for people growing and selling pot for personal gain, there would be no seed suppliers, no good weed, Nothing.
Its the competition from growers selling for personal gain that force them to come out with a superior product.
And as for all the other stuff... it just is not true. People have been using, growing, perfecting, and forgetting how to all of this for thousands of years. In my country alone it used to grow EVERYWHERE. It was ubiquitous. Birds crapped out guanno encrusted seeds throughout their migration. Humans selected for traits they liked and imposed artificial selection on the Cannabis plant, again this has happened and has been happening ago pretty much anywhere humans have traveled.
Your analogy is a falacy and it is the same as saying that without the Archer-Daniels-midland corp, DeKalb or Monsanto, I would not be able to get my hands on an ear of corn or enjoy a tortilla. The parent of modern day corn is as useless for making tortillas or smothering in butter and salt as industrial hemp is stoney. And the world had kick ass sweet corn long before the agro biz destroyed the family farm.
I am glad you are providing meds to your bros reasonably. This is good! But, suchis not the norm, and just getting a new dealer gets more difficult every decade you get beyond high school!
Peace eh?
DubB83
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Ha ha ha, right! I would be the guy going through and making sure there were no problems with pests in the garden and the next gardens over though! Ha ha ha, global war on spider mites! Anyway, you are correct about security issues, even local community gardens in my area have deer as thieves. Those down right unscrupulous deer...We actually have a community garden in my town, they are making it like 10x bigger this year because of the success, you can rent a small plot of land and grow your own vegetables.
I agree, it would be great if we could all share and help each other out. But I guess one of my major flaws is Im a bit of a pessimist, and always a realist. I like to believe in hope and that people are capable of being better, but time and time again some moron proves me wrong.
If you could completely disregard the massive security issue of a community pot garden it would be a fucking Amazing idea. Kinda like a farmers market for weed.
I could just imagine all kinds of problems though, people complaining about thieves, or people bitching about bugs.
I could hear it now "you didnt kill your spider mites and they affected my crop
BCtrippin
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Well when you quote me like that it sounds like your mixing up drug dealers with people who grow and sell pot...I am not confusing street dealers with growers. If a person acts like a street dealer and CHARGES STREET LEVEL PRICES! and happens to grow, that person is a street level drug dealer. Again I am sure this is not you
And as for all the other stuff... it just is not true. People have been using, growing, perfecting, and forgetting how to all of this for thousands of years. In my country alone it used to grow EVERYWHERE. It was ubiquitous. Birds crapped out guanno encrusted seeds throughout their migration. Humans selected for traits they liked and imposed artificial selection on the Cannabis plant, again this has happened and has been happening ago pretty much anywhere humans have traveled.
Your analogy is a falacy and it is the same as saying that without the Archer-Daniels-midland corp, DeKalb or Monsanto, I would not be able to get my hands on an ear of corn or enjoy a tortilla. The parent of modern day corn is as useless for making tortillas or smothering in butter and salt as industrial hemp is stoney. And the world had kick ass sweet corn long before the agro biz destroyed the family farm.
I am glad you are providing meds to your bros reasonably. This is good! But, suchis not the norm, and just getting a new dealer gets more difficult every decade you get beyond high school!
Peace eh?
My point was Profit makes the world go round. If someone didnt see an opportunity to make money selling corn then you wouldnt be able to get your hands on it.
Yes people have been using and growing for thousands of years, I didnt deny that did I?
What I was saying, and I still strongly believe, is that if you couldn't make money off of weed, there wouldnt be as much weed around.
Theres always going to be a die hard enthusiast who will do what it takes to do what he loves, But seed companies wouldnt be in business if they didnt make money. Growers wouldnt be perfecting new strains if they couldnt make money off of them.
If Archer-Daniels-midland corp, DeKalb or Monsanto didnt exist, there would have been some other person who would have saw the potential for profit and would have started a company.
Hayduke
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As for taking out of context, if you or anyone clicked the red box at the upper right of the quoted text it take you to the original post. In a long post others would have no clue as to what I was referring to especially as I often have possibly layers of meaning in my remedial prose. Much as an author includes an appendix or a works cited section, not editing and condensing the quote is distracting.I am not confusing street dealers with growers. If a person acts like a street dealer and CHARGES STREET LEVEL PRICES! and happens to grow, that person is a street level drug dealer. Again I am sure this is not you
And as for all the other stuff... it just is not true. People have been using, growing, perfecting, and forgetting how to all of this for thousands of years. In my country alone it used to grow EVERYWHERE. It was ubiquitous. Birds crapped out guanno encrusted seeds throughout their migration. Humans selected for traits they liked and imposed artificial selection on the Cannabis plant, again this has happened and has been happening ago pretty much anywhere humans have traveled.
Your analogy is a falacy and it is the same as saying that without the Archer-Daniels-midland corp, DeKalb or Monsanto, I would not be able to get my hands on an ear of corn or enjoy a tortilla. The parent of modern day corn is as useless for making tortillas or smothering in butter and salt as industrial hemp is stoney. And the world had kick ass sweet corn long before the agro biz destroyed the family farm.
I am glad you are providing meds to your bros reasonably. This is good! But, suchis not the norm, and just getting a new dealer gets more difficult every decade you get beyond high school!
Peace eh?
In the states, Dealers keep the price high by not competing. Though US avocado growers have, tomato growers do not have an organization established to keep the prices high, I never have to conserve my tomatos to a tiny little one-biter to make it until payday. I can pretty much eat all the crappy tomatoes I want, which is not that many. I will grow my own thanks.
The price of cannabis is high only because of prohibition, which is created and supported by drug dealers (street and Pharm), conservative politicians and the sheep who buy their dribbled spew.
phreakygoat
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So, in summary, give away clones to everyone you know for free. That's what everyone's saying, right? j/k
clones to everyone you know for free. That's what everyone's saying, right? j/k
MrBaker
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I swap clones with a few of my buddies. We all graduated from the same undergrad in Bio, and our plant prof was very free about giving away cuttings/clones. Since they are my buddies, and we all came from the "clones are free" atmosphere, I wouldn't sell them a clone.
If it were someone that I didn't know as well/like as much then I'd sell for 5-10 bucks a plant depending on what they were goin' to do with it and who they were.
If it were someone that I didn't know as well/like as much then I'd sell for 5-10 bucks a plant depending on what they were goin' to do with it and who they were.
thchero
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i beleive that the bottom line is if people didnt grow for personal gain nobody would grow at all weather u grow to sell or just to smoke it is for personal gain.not to mention without the big time producers 80% or more of the pot smokers out there would not be able to smoke.just my opinion
westmich
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The value of something is determined by the price people are willing to pay for it - nothing more. Free market economics. It has nothing to do with how much it costs to make. Crack and heroin dealers have a tremendous mark up and can make a lot of profit, whereas, Microsoft sells the Xbox at a loss hoping to make it up on the games and other areas - the market won't allow them to sell it a higher price.
I recently bought 3 clones for the first time. Cost me $20 a piece and I thought it was a great deal. I would have paid a lot more. I talked to buddies who smoke but don't grow and they thought it was a great deal. I looked at it as "for the cost of an 1/8 I can produce anywhere from an ounce to indefinite amount by cloning the clone". Now, if dispensaries where a dime a dozen in Michigan like they are in California, I would have shopped around and probably got a lot better genetics for less money.
For the bleeding hearts and commies out there, don't give up hope
If enough of you get together and sell at a low price or give it away, then customers will seek you out undercutting the "street dealers". Make a big enough dent in the market and the market will have to respond with lower prices to compete.
I recently bought 3 clones for the first time. Cost me $20 a piece and I thought it was a great deal. I would have paid a lot more. I talked to buddies who smoke but don't grow and they thought it was a great deal. I looked at it as "for the cost of an 1/8 I can produce anywhere from an ounce to indefinite amount by cloning the clone". Now, if dispensaries where a dime a dozen in Michigan like they are in California, I would have shopped around and probably got a lot better genetics for less money.
For the bleeding hearts and commies out there, don't give up hope
If enough of you get together and sell at a low price or give it away, then customers will seek you out undercutting the "street dealers". Make a big enough dent in the market and the market will have to respond with lower prices to compete.