SOG growers wanted !!!

[onthedl0008]

LOL man I wish I ended at 25" Tallest bish was 41 inches when i chopped pretty insane..I did chop down the lil stuff on the bottom a few times thru out the grow.. Seemed to help more on the top side.
There u guys go again with ur lavish strains.. fruit sounds awesome tho. Just got me some strawberry diesel.Cant wait for this man.
Also cant wait to try this flood and drain thing u guys are doing..Just got no where for a seperate res to go right now.so im stuck in my current predictament..
Would like to see the difference between the styles..
It makes more sence when trying to do sog man.. Im jealous..
I do trim the lower stems how al reccomends tho.. Maybe not as much tho just enuff for these monster's to have enuff room cuz im smashing them into tight quarter's.
I dont see why lollipop would be neccesary on the smaller harvesting strains really tho..
Just my opinion and sure ill get beat up for that..
Seems to me like it comes down to plnt grow size requirements in the end..
I grew something i was told was durban poison tho.. Grew small and smelled like bananas growing till the end but was very sweet and when u licked ur lips after taking a bong hit tasted like candy. very cool.
But its prolly not poison at all. My buddy has some in soil and some are turning purple.

 

[GypsyBush]

41" wow..

I just can't imagine the bottom 20 " getting any light..

but what the fuck do I know..????

I am trying to figure out a way to make the grow short so most of the plant has more light...

my shortest ones, not the miniatures, were as dense at the very bottom as they were at the very top...

but if they had stretched.. they would have been thinner bottoms for sure...

I guess it is all preference...

I will get a smaller but denser 1/2 Oz bud with a shorter plant...

at least this has been my reasoning this far....

I have grown trees outside... that's where they belong.. in the SUN...

I lots of buds on sticks... just like in Nice Dreams..

as opposed to the Spears you guys seem to be growing...

So throw some more numbers at me...

what kind of dr weight do you see from each plant.. say at an avg of 30" for your garden?

 

[greenearth5]

so what excatly is a sog grow? Is this something that I can do with my DWC grow?

 

[Return of the Spork]

SOG = Sea of Green = Lots of smaller plants instead of fewer large plants

Its a better option for those of us who don't have lights powerful enough to penetrate deep into a canopy, and for those of us with powerful lights, it just makes them that much more dense.

 

[greenearth5]

I have a 150 HPS light, 3 plants in veg that are 25 days old, i had no bud at all, and i have no way to upgrade my setup... I think sog might be the best method for me....

So how does this sog grow work?

 

[onthedl0008]

41" wow..

I just can't imagine the bottom 20 " getting any light..


but what the fuck do I know..????

I am trying to figure out a way to make the grow short so most of the plant has more light...

my shortest ones, not the miniatures, were as dense at the very bottom as they were at the very top...

but if they had stretched.. they would have been thinner bottoms for sure...

I guess it is all preference...

I will get a smaller but denser 1/2 Oz bud with a shorter plant...

at least this has been my reasoning this far....

I have grown trees outside... that's where they belong.. in the SUN...

I lots of buds on sticks... just like in Nice Dreams..

as opposed to the Spears you guys seem to be growing...

So throw some more numbers at me...

what kind of dr weight do you see from each plant.. say at an avg of 30" for your garden?

Anywhere from an 1/8 per top on the runts to a lil over a oz/plant man.On just the dagger's.Not counting the 1/2 to oz i took in the weeks prior to chop.
Correct sir without the proper lighting I wouldnt even bother growing anything below the last 2/3 of the plant This style.

Ive been researching Al b fucts stuff for awhile now..

Maybe less but i left a couple of the lower stems on and allowed a couple colas to go a week or 2 longer.
Prolly gonna be some goood bud.
It would be different tho if i had more lighting.
Im sure the bud sites i left on the plants would have brought better yield if i had more hps over them. Which ive done.
But we shall see.
Number's man haha.
Ive been told its possible to grow 4 plants per sq.ft. using certain techniques.
Ive been told to try to attain at least 50 watts/ sq.ft in my actual flower area but id reccomend at least a hundred and its possible to do so in stealth quarters if everything is on point. Venting, Cooling etc.
They say a gram per watt. And i think its possible using this method by far as long as the proper environments and lighting are kept proper..
These are the only number's i know of.
Great info gypsy.

 

[grandpabear3]

daaaang...i leave you people alone for a day and i cant keep up.

what if I like it in public?

well that's what makes you a gypsy.......and a dirty hippie

and Bugs..

yes gypsy?

I am way more secure than that... even if you did say something... it's ok...

oh i know your 8" of whale/ bludgeoned baby seal blubber warmthatudeness suit gives you pretty thick skin, but i was just screwin' with ol' sparky

But I'll tell you what.. in the kind of moods I have been in lately... I'd hate to come
across myself behind a snow drift in the dark...

look....i appreciate the offer but i gave all that up when i got out of jail.

Turd?

it's white people slang for poo......

Dude what did I do to you... I am always so calm and composed... I am not a turd... and neither is Sparks...

All that anger...

so not healthy

now who's being funny?

I want one too...

I tried one a few years ago and it made the dank in the bong taste like ass...

then why doo you want one....hell that makes me not want one....i better try it out first. buy one and i'll fly/sled dog up and try it out with you.

Don't get me wrong.. I like ass and tits and pussy as much as the next guy... but when it comes to my buds...

I rather taste sweet sensi too....lol....

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Now...Bugs... and every one else...

that's right sparky....he said BUGS then everyone else. the man has his priorities in order

what kind of spacing do you guys use between the pots?

none, they dont need it.

I am cramming as many as I can fit... giving each girl the diameter of the pot for personal space...

a little tight huh?

nope

But that has been my reasoning in flowering them just a tad smaller than most...

What say you?

right on but now you got a real set up .....keep on with the minis for asthetic reasons but you might as well grow em soda can fat and big like donkey dicks. hell you could give the shit away and have your own compassion center....so to speak

Thanks Spork...!

What sizes do you aim for in/out of flower?

Uh... everyone else feel free to throw their numbers in...

i think you already got my numbers on that

I still have zero stability...

some of mine are tall some are short...

stability huh???? well i just tested a theoryon this subjectand my solution was to find the mom that produced the best babies then take more of the cuttings from her then verified they all were the same size and took 6 more cuttings from that mom and grew them out to be replacement mothers so now all the moms are 1 plant and that bitch is angry. there are only a few factors that will change the size so if they arent doing as well as i feel they should be i know where to look.

2 weeks is up and I do not have more clones to feed the system...

This shit is getting old...

I cannot get out of bed... I need supplies.. fuck I need clones...

Ahhh...!!!!

Stressful day at the house of Gypsy.... all the shit that needs to be done is starting to collapse around me and I get to lay in bed and watch my world slide on by..... like I was some kinda lazy fuck.... fucking leg....

oh Well.. time to reload the pipe...

Yeah.. I'm fucking amused today....

Any of you ever watch Dexter? I just got seasons one and 2...

Season one disc 2 starts now...

dammit man, you need a do-boy, and yes dexter is wonderfull.

LOL man I wish I ended at 25" Tallest bish was 41 inches when i chopped pretty insane..I did chop down the lil stuff on the bottom a few times thru out the grow.. Seemed to help more on the top side.

i only chop em when they try to branch out and only trim up the bottom 4" not a third like al says.......

There u guys go again with ur lavish strains.. fruit sounds awesome tho. Just got me some strawberry diesel.Cant wait for this man.

lavish....mines white widow....an old school strain. well sort of but your funny ....lavish.....and your gettin strawberry diesel....lol, nope nothing exotic sounding about that huh?

I dont see why lollipop would be neccesary on the smaller harvesting strains really tho..
Just my opinion and sure ill get beat up for that..
Seems to me like it comes down to plnt grow size requirements in the end..

i totally fucking agree

I grew something i was told was durban poison tho.. Grew small and smelled like bananas growing till the end but was very sweet and when u licked ur lips after taking a bong hit tasted like candy. very cool.
But its prolly not poison at all. My buddy has some in soil and some are turning purple.

poison is bad for you silly, drink plenty of milk to induce vomiting

what kind of dr weight do you see from each plant.. say at an avg of 30" for your garden?

i think because of my height and a 1000w hps 8-10" from the tops with cool tubes and fans (for the plants i mean) i get 1.25-1.5 ounces per stick dry weight.

SOG = Sea of Green = Lots of smaller plants instead of fewer large plants

Its a better option for those of us who don't have lights powerful enough to penetrate deep into a canopy, and for those of us with powerful lights, it just makes them that much more dense.

i just love you sometimes....thank god sparky made this thread. we all learn sooo much from each other. it is by far the most synergistic thing i've ever been a part of.

I have a 150 HPS light, 3 plants in veg that are 25 days old, i had no bud at all, and i have no way to upgrade my setup... I think sog might be the best method for me....

So how does this sog grow work?

go to the hydoponics section and in the stickied part on top, this thread called get a harvest every 2 weeks by al b fuct is the very best place for you to start. it's a prerequisit to joining our tree fort club. just read the 1st post and TRY to look away...betch cant. and if you can then


ok holy shit that was a marathon post for me.

 

[livesoul]

hey fellas, i'm growing my all 8 weeks in one tray. See diagram. I've just got my first set into the flowering room and of course they are like 6-8 inches tall. I've got the light suspended approx 42 inches above the tray. I'm forseeing a lot of stretching, any tips on trimming or anything i can do? I have a 1000 HPS light hanging above it. flooding the tray 5 times per during the 12 hour light period. Have CO2 running at a really low amount constantly, it only shuts off when the intake/exhaust fans turn on.

 

[grandpabear3]

hey fellas, i'm growing my all 8 weeks in one tray. See diagram.

nice

I've just got my first set into the flowering room and of course they are like 6-8 inches tall.

perfect

I've got the light suspended approx 42 inches above the tray. I'm forseeing a lot of stretching, any tips on trimming or anything i can do?

you could lower it to around 30" untiil they stART growing towards the light....i think you know this already so dont get offended but, you know, you put the back of your hand at the cool tube and find where the spot is that you can keep your hand warm...not hot and tadaa there is your sweet spot where you want to put the canopy. then adjust it as needed every 2-3 days. and it will all stop at 4 weeks flowering time then they are on autopilot.

I have a 1000 HPS light hanging above it.

god bless you for being smart

flooding the tray 5 times per during the 12 hour light period.

this is the only thing i dont like....i say 3. 5 imo is giving them too much of a good thing and if they will get too tall on you if your not careful. and i dont like topping friggen sog plants. defeats the purpose. 5 is fine so dont sweat it but i think you really will thank me and love 3. it WILL solve SOME stretching issues.

Have CO2 running at a really low amount constantly, it only shuts off when the intake/exhaust fans turn on.

the only thing i have to say is bravo for the co2 but ......it really should be run at a constant ppm of...i forget, shit...someone help me out here...the shut off is great and if you dont have the metering/measuring equiptment yet then ok i get it. but look into it when you can.

good job man, seriously

 

[GypsyBush]

i say 3. 5 imo is giving them too much of a good thing and if they will get too tall on you if your not careful. and i dont like topping friggen sog plants. defeats the purpose. 5 is fine so dont sweat it but i think you really will thank me and love 3. it WILL solve SOME stretching issues.

Do you think my plants are stretched???

Really?!?!?!

Cause I flood 12x a day...

For about 15 min each...

It's about 3 hours a day in flooded stage...

But I really didn't think they were stretched....

PPM @ 1400

Bugs... I love you.. But I think you are full of shit...

Vigorous growth, not stretching, should be the result of proper feeding...

If you are stretching, you need better lighting arrangement or a different strain...

But.. then again... I am chewing on percocet # 8 of the day... so...

Maybe I am full of shit....

But I did like season one and 2 of Dexter pretty good... anyone know if 3 is out?

 

[grandpabear3]

Do you think my plants are stretched???

nope

Really?!?!?!

yep

Cause I flood 12x a day...

For about 15 min each...

It's about 3 hours a day in flooded stage...

so what....like i said ...or maybe i didnt, there are many factors:
type of medium...rw or not, 1000w hps is fuckin steroids when you drop that big bitch down on top of those girls.

But I really didn't think they were stretched....

i didnt say they were and i didnt say his were either i was giving him preventative measures to help with it if it became a problem

PPM @ 1400

perfect

Bugs... I love you.. But I think you are full of shit...

you have no idea......

Vigorous growth, not stretching, should be the result of proper feeding...

yep....proper

If you are stretching, you need better lighting arrangement or a different strain...

i agree with the strain comment 100% amd i was talking about the lighting arangement.

But.. then again... I am chewing on percocet # 8 of the day... so...

Maybe I am full of shit....

never, just maybe read into that one a bit too much

But I did like season one and 2 of Dexter pretty good... anyone know if 3 is out?

i have fallen behind so idk

 

[onthedl0008]

Ur all full-o-crap is what I say..
I do man love bugs.
Growing vertically is sogging right? GRowing horizontally would be scrogging right?
I keep my lil babies lights as close as possible early on thru out flower until they stop stretching my bud sites ended up about an inch apart up the vine until it got to the main cola which was very hard to differentiate which was which but i ended up with some swords. Well baseball bats..
Bugs man thanks dude, My grow almost exactly mirrored urs until I left my lamps to close to my plants when they stopped stretching. I think they like to just bask in the light when they stop the stretch..But i think id keep them monsters as close as possible without harm "The sweet spot" And utilize ur wattage/ cubic ft in this instance why wouldnt ya?
Anyways im tearing down my last tub in preparation for my next project.
Best believe tho Im gonna be fucting things up real soon!
Man love u guys man.

 

[livesoul]

yeah i figured i could lower the light if i wanted. But i didn't want to because i won't ever be able to do it again once i have the tray full. Ya know? Once they are 4 weeks old i'm hoping they are only 32-36inchs tall, leaving about 6 - 10 inches of space between the tallest ones and the light. I want to definitely avoid topping for sure since i've got them so packed in. 4 per square foot. I need them to be as narrow as possible. Do you guys trim any of the leaves to keep light penitration up?

Also, i'm running my nutes at 1000ppm, just cause i didn't want to risk burning the new clones. But once i have the tray full i will have the oldest in with the youngest. The babies should be able to handle 1200-1300ppm right? Thats what i plan on doing eventually. And by babies i mean the rooted clones i'm putting into the flowering tray.

 

[GypsyBush]

Sorry Bugs...

All I could make of it was YOU saying that flooding more than 3x a day stretches the plants...

But on a different note...

I am feeding the most pathetic clones into the system today...

23 3" motherfuckers that will not grow much...

The miniaturizing potion must have spilled on this batch... and in two months they will have about an 8th each...

Better than nothing I guess... but ....

I hope to get the mother station and cloning tent set up soon... but I have to at least take the stitches out before I start moving around too much...

Mother station will have a 2x4 tray with a 400 watt HO T-5

Cloning station will be the tent (do you remember the tent? it's harvest was a little over a QP) with a horticultural heat matt and 2x 100 watt T-5

Anyways...

It's bad... I decided for the comfort of my room to pot the clones... now I have 23 trips to make down the stairs, seeing as I can only manage one pot + stairs at a time..

Fuck! I hope I don't fall...

Wish one of you lazy asses would come over and help... there's lights to hang, clones to take... res. to change... fuck.. and I can barely get out of bed...

Oh well... gotta be strong... fuck the pain...

It's like Momma said once....

If you are looking for a hand to help you, you will find it at the end of your arm...

Smart lady...

I think I will whistle while I work...

Cheers....

 

[onthedl0008]

Gypsy actually I think thats a GREAT idea bro.. Im only working with 700 watts actually so it would have better benefitted me to take smaller clones and utilize my wattage to better fit my grow.. THings to think about my friend deffinetely for my next tub..
Thinking about throwing some 5 inch seedlings into flower right now to see what becomes of them.
Matter of fact done.. Im getting on this now!

 

[grandpabear3]

Ur all full-o-crap is what I say..

and you would be correct sir

I do man love bugs.

ummm.......i ....man-love you too

Growing vertically is sogging right? GRowing horizontally would be scrogging right?

no....growing vertically is just that. sog, sea of grean is perpetual harvests in different stages of growth. kinda like an assembly line. where you keep the plant lollipopped and just grow 1 big bud or as close to it as possible

I keep my lil babies lights as close as possible early on thru out flower until they stop stretching my bud sites ended up about an inch apart up the vine until it got to the main cola which was very hard to differentiate which was which but i ended up with some swords. Well baseball bats..

cool

Bugs man thanks dude,

your welcome

My grow almost exactly mirrored urs until I left my lamps to close to my plants when they stopped stretching. I think they like to just bask in the light when they stop the stretch..But i think id keep them monsters as close as possible without harm "The sweet spot" And utilize ur wattage/ cubic ft in this instance why wouldnt ya?

to clarify its als not mine i learned it from him and noone else. not to say i dont have differences but it all stemmed from thst great fucking man. i would pay him royalties if hed let me

Anyways im tearing down my last tub in preparation for my next project.
Best believe tho Im gonna be fucting things up real soon!
Man love u guys man.

we manlove you too

yeah i figured i could lower the light if i wanted. But i didn't want to because i won't ever be able to do it again once i have the tray full. Ya know?

....quite right. i wasnt even thinking about that...lol....gypsy will love that

Once they are 4 weeks old i'm hoping they are only 32-36inchs tall, leaving about 6 - 10 inches of space between the tallest ones and the light.

that is perfect

I want to definitely avoid topping for sure since i've got them so packed in. 4 per square foot.

again ....perfect

I need them to be as narrow as possible. Do you guys trim any of the leaves to keep light penitration up?

hahahahahaha.....you said penetration!!!

and no i dont

Also, i'm running my nutes at 1000ppm, just cause i didn't want to risk burning the new clones. But once i have the tray full i will have the oldest in with the youngest. The babies should be able to handle 1200-1300ppm right? Thats what i plan on doing eventually. And by babies i mean the rooted clones i'm putting into the flowering tray.

you got it....mine will do 1400 but love 1300

Sorry Bugs...

All I could make of it was YOU saying that flooding more than 3x a day stretches the plants...

no way .....never be sorry for calling anyone of us fucking knowitall out on misinformation if you think thats what it it. if you or i blindly followed people like al or stinkbud or fdd or any of em' how lame and shitty would everyone be. omfg i love that you made me think....i reread my post and clearly saw how what i was saying could be taken the wrong way ....so thank you.

But on a different note...

wow man i'm sorry and i hope you hurt less soon. sucks about all the xtra work though.

 

[grandpabear3]

well i did it....now imma be onnada kewl kidz.......just bought my badge for a year to show a lil love to rollitup. i think i might even get to be a hall monitor.

 

[doogleef]

oh shit. bugs with authoritie. No kitty! That's a bad kitty!

 

[grandpabear3]

oh shit. bugs with authoritie. No kitty! That's a bad kitty!

i'm so friggen exited i could shit. i wonder how long it will take before they give me my....awthorataw

 

[deezbud]

finally made it to a safe place to post, first time grower/poster long time reader. this is based on al b fucts teachings. strains are T.H. Seeds Heavy duty fruity, bubblegum, the hog, kushage. how we lookin.





(disclaimer: these are fake plants)