First Grow Stealth Bubbleponics

[Roseman]

ROSEMAN,

Thank you so so much for this advice, this is exactly what we were looking for.
. And another question: When you SCROG how do you keep the plants in place without breaking stems when changing the water?

- Ray Fox

SCOG is for having a lot of smaller plants in a small confined space, and you are trying to grow MORE plants in that small space, a shorter or faster period of time. There is a big arguement or debate on whether it is wiser and smarter to grow less BIG Plants Longer, or More SMALL plants shorter, to get a better yield.
I have done both.
A Sea of Green is what you see, if you grow 6 plants in this system.
In my humble opinion, 3 plants will not accomplish that, and unless you are in a big hurry to get less yield, I can not recommend a SOG grow for you.
It would really look foolish to show a SOG with ONLY 3 plants.
IF you insist, for example, you have very little HEIGHT Space, get some Chicken wire, or Fish Net, or a lot of strong cords to tie them with. But it is going to look sort of silly to do it with only 3 plants.

You can get no more than 2 or 3 ounces or you can get 9 to 12 ounces of dried manicured buds, , depending on what you decide.

 

[Ray Fox]

IF you insist, for example, you have very little HEIGHT Space, get some Chicken wire, or Fish Net, or a lot of strong cords to tie them with. But it is going to look sort of silly to do it with only 3 plants.

A Screen of Green seems pretty ideal. When the plants grow to about a bushy 8-10 inches, we're going to start Scrogging. I've looked at a lot of scrogs in small spaces and I think this set up is perfect for it. But you really think Scrogging with 3 plants is silly? I am following this grow so far for SCROG: Master Kush scrog. 150w hps, 1 mini fridge, 1 seed. hydro - flowering PICS - Marijuana Growing

The grow above was in a mini-fridge and from only 1 plant yielded 3.5 ounces of dry bud. But instead of making a net like that grow, we're gonna use some heavy chicken wire and stick some wiring through the sides of the box so it stays in place.

Or 9 to 12 ounces of dried manicured buds, , depending on what you decide.

I'm hoping to use the SCROG method to yield 9-12 ounces. 12 ounces (336 grams) would actually be the PERFECT amount. I know some of you growers think 12 ounces isn't much, but this is our first time and we don't want to overdo it. 12 is a pretty sturdy, modest number. Anyone looking at this thread please help us to achieve our goal of 12 ounces!!!

- Ray Fox

 

[Roseman]

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[Ray Fox]

The first week is over and it has proved an interesting one. The plants have all grown significantly with the exception of one which died when the light fell on it (Not to worry though, we've secured the lights now). There is also another seedling growing (Not pictured) and on the way. So far so good. Comments?

 

[Ray Fox]

Here is are some more pictures of the girls. In the right you can sort of see the dead second planted White Ice. The new one is still sprouting but will be added to the rest most likely tomorrow.

There was a slight burn on two of the leaves on the plant all the way to the left of the pictures. I clipped the more burnt parts and I cut the totally burnt leaf.

Also, notice on the bottom of the picture of the a basket with hydroton rocks there are several white spots. In a better quality picture one would notice many tiny white dots on the rocks. What is this? Should we be concerned? The water temperature also keeps getting warmer, and we were concerned about the light that could leak through the extra baskets so we sealed them up with index cards and white tape (done after the pictures were taken). We added extra ice to the water to cool it down.

 

[Ray Fox]

So the bottom of one of the roots (the long one that can be seen dangling all the way at the bottom of the basket in the picture) is turning light brown at the tip that has reached the water. We've been adding grow nutrients with every change of water (only 1 change so far). Is this normal? What should we do!?

Also, the box is getting a little humid. And the water is getting warm. The plants look totally healthy but we're concerned with the growth of the roots. The temperature of the box itself is 75 degrees during the day and 85 at night. Is this okay? Should we add a fan? We're very new to this so all the help we can get would be great. Please!

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Ray,

It almost looks like you have a little nutritional salt build up or mold on the hydrotron. Is the hydroton new? I'd also put covers over the pots with the plants otherwise you will get mold/algea which this also could be. It also helps keep the light off the hydroton. Roots don't like light at all. Let me know how that works out.

 

[Ray Fox]

It almost looks like you have a little nutritional salt build up or mold on the hydrotron. Is the hydroton new?[/quote]

Hey MostlyCrazy, yes the hydroton is new, and like a couple of anxious idiots we forgot to clean the hydroton before putting it in. I think it is most likely some kind of mold. How should we remedy this?

I'd also put covers over the pots with the plants otherwise you will get mold/algea which this also could be. It also helps keep the light off the hydroton. Roots don't like light at all. Let me know how that works out.[/quote]

Right after taking these pictures, we covered up the pots with large index cards and sealed them down with white duct tape.

What should we do to prevent root rot??

 

[JonnyBtreed]

try adding some water bottles to keep the res temp down. If it does become a problem you can add 20 ml. of hydrogen peroxide to kill any algae or root rot.

 

[caddy]

I'm hoping to use the SCROG method to yield 9-12 ounces. 12 ounces (336 grams) would actually be the PERFECT amount. I know some of you growers think 12 ounces isn't much, but this is our first time and we don't want to overdo it. 12 is a pretty sturdy, modest number. Anyone looking at this thread please help us to achieve our goal of 12 ounces!!!

- Ray Fox

I don't bother with screens and such but I did start a grow from seed like you just a while ago using deep water culture as my method. The SOG method I use is the same in theory, I just veg my SOG clones longer than most. Some immediately flower on roots, I wait until they're about 8"-12" tall. You could just cut larger clones but that depends on your mother plant(s) situation which is a different discussion based on individual grow operations.

My first batch of only 4 plants gave a yield of just about 450 grams manicured, dried, cured bud. (Still curing I should say.) Growing 3 or 4 plants in a SOG "style" is just fine don't listen to the fact you'll only get 3 ounces. Maybe only 3 total if you veg'd them for a week and harvested early. I have 15 clones a few weeks away from being done and another 20 behind that. If you want a pound (or close) out of your 3, veg them for at least 6 weeks and have roughly 7 feet of spare height in the flowering room. Flower them for another 8 weeks and if you followed the rules you will be tremendously surprised. Keep it simple, don't bother with funky additives, weird additions to reservoirs and hocus pocus many growers talk about, do what is proven and works. D your experimenting later if you really find it necessary after that first huge yeild with a small amount of plants.

Look at my grow pictures in my signature, I assure you that group of 4 plants is definitely a thick sea of green, haha. Anyway, your expectations can easily be achieved. The best advice I can give for a similar result is follow the rules of hydroponic PH and PPM levels with your feed, strictly. Do not skip steps or cut corners until you know how and where you are able to do so.

 

[Ray Fox]

Thanks guys,

Caddy thank you. Check out the second page of the thread, our box is only 4. 8 feet tall, so we sorta don't have room for a SOG I don't think.

- Ray Fox

 

[motif]

Thanks guys,

Caddy thank you. Check out the second page of the thread, our box is only 4. 8 feet tall, so we sorta don't have room for a SOG I don't think.

- Ray Fox

heyo fox, thanks for dropping by

the brown roots = bad

brown roots is a straight sign of root rot. After reading through your thread, this was defenitely caused by two things:
1.) light penetrating through the cups
2.) hot water temperatures

Solution:

1.)Spray the roots with a solution of hydrogen peroxide/warm water.

2.) Change your reservoir water out (future reference, have frozen bottles of water handy in your freezer if temps rise)

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Temperatures above 70 F in your water begin to invite patheogens and bacteria you dont want, so keep the temps below that (anywhere in 60's is good).

Oh yeah, also add a fan either outside your intake and have it blowing in, or place it inside the box in front of the intake and pull air through the hole. This should help keep your temps lower.

Let me know what happens

 

[Ray Fox]

Hey so we made some adjustments:

the brown roots = bad
1.) light penetrating through the cups[/quote]

We cut off the bad part of the root and covered all the cups and the surrounding parts of the plants with index cards taped down with white tape.


2.) hot water temperatures

Solution:

1.)Spray the roots with a solution of hydrogen peroxide/warm water.

2.) Change your reservoir water out (future reference, have frozen bottles of water handy in your freezer if temps rise) [/quote]

We've added hydrogen peroxide and sprayed the rocks and roots accordingly, and we're adding ice packs around the SH system and we've got more ready for action. This should fix it now. Thanks guys! Here's a pic.

 

[motif]

make sure those index cards are lightproof. Check under the lid and see if it is totally dark or not. If not, tape down another index card on top of the already placed ones

 

[MostlyCrazy]

I use aluminum tape. $5 at WM. Seals things up nicely and reflects light back up.

 

[motif]

I use aluminum tape. $5 at WM. Seals things up nicely and reflects light back up.

me too, but i had to double up over the holes because it wasnt completely lightproof with just one layer

 

[Ray Fox]

me too, but i had to double up over the holes because it wasnt completely lightproof with just one layer

Okay, so everything is tightly taped down, the SH system is being kept cool by tossing in two frozen water bottles every couple hours, the plants are growing more roots, leaves and growing larger than ever. Thanks guys! Any helpful advice is greatly appreciated. Please continue to look over our grow journal for new pictures every week. Here are the pics:

 

[motif]

looks like you got the hang of it now. Have you considered topping the two larger plants??

 

[Ray Fox]

looks like you got the hang of it now. Have you considered topping the two larger plants??

Not sure Motif, is it really so much better? Doesn't the shock to cutting too much of the plant do more damage?

 

[motif]

Not sure Motif, is it really so much better? Doesn't the shock to cutting too much of the plant do more damage?

you will most defenitely thank yourself for doing it when your flowering.

Topping is when you cut out the two new leaves out of the top of a shoot. This makes a One Cola Branch, DOUBLE.

The 'shock' is minor, and your not in flowering so its not gonna decrease yeild, in fact it gives you more room for more buds to grow.

I topped one of my new plants growing on the side, on every shoot, twice (week apart) and it is growing like a FREAK. There are branches coming out of more branches coming out of more branches. If this turns out to be a female, i will be very ecstatic

i counted 9 new shoots, like week 3 veg i believe. Ill upload some pics on my thread later tonight when i get outta class.

When you top a plant, it opens up more room/branches for bud to grow on, i HIGHLY suggest it.

Don't make any cuts until you know what your doing, i would go more in depth but im in a rush and dont have time right now, maybe later tonight.....