CrackerJax
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Heck he didn't change. that was his greatest strength. Now George Bush Sr. was a tool....he changed the game.
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medicineman
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You are one twisty SOB, Obama may just be this countries saviour, I know this completely escapes you, but he's done more to make this country a better place in 3 months than Bush did in 8 frikin years.And those very same revolutionists would be taking up arms against the current administration. Obama's policies are one of King George, not our founding fathers..... backwards again med Man...par for the course.
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CrackerJax
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Destroying the free markets is hardly messiah material, unless you are either a communist or rooting for the commies....
get your economic head out of your arse.
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get your economic head out of your arse.
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medicineman
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Look man, I certainly don't claim to have the answers. I do know though, what we have had for the last 30-50 years is not working for the working class, Blue collar people. Wages have stagnated and with inflation, have actually gone down. Those at the top have pilfered huge sums of salary and bonuses while cutting hours, jobs and decieving investors out of their retirement savings and pensions. Justice must be served. There is such a thing as right and wrong, and what we have now and have had for years is just wrong. The rulers of society don't give a damn about anybody but themselves, and think any social program is money out of their pockets. I say the price of living and getting the opportunity to make huge sums of money in this country should be paid for with taxes, enough taxes to fund all the programs that are needed for health and welfare for everyone. These taxes, like the original 3,000 limit, should apply to those with an income amount over a certain limit. What limit you ask. I can't really say, but I'd guess tax the hell out of anything over 300K
CrackerJax
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That's total BS... we have never had a more prosperous period in our history Med man...do some research before you post. You do need to go to work though, that is crucial.
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CrackerJax
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A couple of years ago, the late economist and eternal optimist Julian Simon co-authored a book, It�s Getting Better All the Time, with Steve Moore, now of the Club for Growth.
The book consists of about 100 charts, graphs and trends that showed how life in America had improved dramatically over the past century by pretty much any criteria you can conceive of to measure.
We are healthier, richer, we live longer, we work fewer hours but are more productive, we're more educated, more comfortable, we breathe cleaner air, drink cleaner water, we have better access to information, we move more quickly about the world, and we are more tolerant than we've ever been in history.
We have abundant leisure time and keep well entertained. Our athletes are stronger, faster, and more powerful than man has ever seen. Women have more freedom today in America than they've ever had in any society in human history.
In fact, life today in America in most every way represents the zenith of human achievement. Even our "poor" are more affluent, well-fed and have access to more creature comforts and amenities than most of the rest of the world's "middle class." The poor in America today in many ways live better than royalty did just a century ago. In fact, by most standards, poor Americans today live better than average Americans did just 50 years ago.
Moore and Simon point out, for example, that in 1997, 99 percent of American households below the poverty level had electricity. In 1950, just 94 percent of all U.S. households had electricity. In 1997, 99 percent of poor Americans had flush toilets; in 1950, just 76 percent of all Americans did.
The numbers are similar as you move down the list of amenities. Today, the poorest of Americans are more likely to own televisions, refrigerators, automobiles, air conditioning, dishwashers and washing machines than average Americans were in 1950.
And the success continues. The latest issue of Forbes ASAP reports that applications for patents and patents granted have exploded in the last half-century, and have spiked even within that explosion in the last decade. Americans are still innovating and inventing and producing at a pace unrivaled in the history of science.
These numbers beg an important question. Why? Why has America achieved so much in the last century? Why have our life spans nearly doubled since 1900? Why do people risk their lives to come here? Why is our economy the envy of the world? In a word: liberty.
America's economy consistently ranks as one of the freest on the planet. Just last month, the Cato Institute and the Fraser Institute of Canada released their annual "Economic Freedom of the World" report. No surprise. The United States' economy ranked third, behind only the city-states of Hong Kong and Singapore. The correlation between free economies and standard of living is unmistakable. Free people live better, longer, happier lives.
In another graph in their book, Moore and Simon compare economic freedom, per capita income and life expectancy. It's striking. More government inevitably yields more poverty, which inevitably yields shorter lives. Citizens of the world's least free economies average $1,669 U.S. per person in real income, and live on average to age 55. Citizens of the world's freest economies average $18,108 U.S. per person, and live on average to the age of 76.
A few years ago, ABC's John Stossel did an hour-long special called "Is America #1?" Stossel noted that it isn't just political freedom that yields prosperity. Economic freedom is just as, if not more, important. As an example, he looked at India, a democracy for sure, but consistently a festering example of the depths of human poverty.
Why? As an example, Stossel attempted to open a small business selling ABC gear in Hong Kong, India and New York City. In New York, he endured weeks of filling out applications for licenses, permits and tax numbers. But only weeks. In India, he was told it would take years (and it has for the few U.S. businesses who've opened there). In Hong Kong, Stossel was up and operating in a day. Such is why Hong Kong, with virtually no natural resources, has lept from poverty to prosperity in just a couple of decades.
Stossel also interviewed business executives who came to America and founded empires, largely because regulations in their home countries proved too burdensome. And we aren't talking about communist countries or African dictatorships. We're talking about France. And Sweden. And Germany.
Andy Bechtolsheim, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, told Stossel, "I wanted to build better computers, and there was no way to build a better computer in Germany."
So he came to the U.S., to Simi Valley. He's now worth billions, and he gives thousands of paychecks to Americans that, were it not for creeping German socialism, could easily have gone to Germans.
So when you hear doomsayers talk about America's pollution, crime, racism, corporate greed and cultural imperialism, ask yourself, or better yet, ask them, when and where in history has man had it better? The answers, respectively, are never and nowhere. Our embrace of free markets and entrepeneurialism, our respect for property rights, and our embrace of law and human rights have given civilized man his best opportunity to thrive and prosper and innovate. And has he ever.
The only ones who complain wre the ones looking for a free ride or those willing to control them for their own gain. Don't you get tired of being wrong med?
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The book consists of about 100 charts, graphs and trends that showed how life in America had improved dramatically over the past century by pretty much any criteria you can conceive of to measure.
We are healthier, richer, we live longer, we work fewer hours but are more productive, we're more educated, more comfortable, we breathe cleaner air, drink cleaner water, we have better access to information, we move more quickly about the world, and we are more tolerant than we've ever been in history.
We have abundant leisure time and keep well entertained. Our athletes are stronger, faster, and more powerful than man has ever seen. Women have more freedom today in America than they've ever had in any society in human history.
In fact, life today in America in most every way represents the zenith of human achievement. Even our "poor" are more affluent, well-fed and have access to more creature comforts and amenities than most of the rest of the world's "middle class." The poor in America today in many ways live better than royalty did just a century ago. In fact, by most standards, poor Americans today live better than average Americans did just 50 years ago.
Moore and Simon point out, for example, that in 1997, 99 percent of American households below the poverty level had electricity. In 1950, just 94 percent of all U.S. households had electricity. In 1997, 99 percent of poor Americans had flush toilets; in 1950, just 76 percent of all Americans did.
The numbers are similar as you move down the list of amenities. Today, the poorest of Americans are more likely to own televisions, refrigerators, automobiles, air conditioning, dishwashers and washing machines than average Americans were in 1950.
And the success continues. The latest issue of Forbes ASAP reports that applications for patents and patents granted have exploded in the last half-century, and have spiked even within that explosion in the last decade. Americans are still innovating and inventing and producing at a pace unrivaled in the history of science.
These numbers beg an important question. Why? Why has America achieved so much in the last century? Why have our life spans nearly doubled since 1900? Why do people risk their lives to come here? Why is our economy the envy of the world? In a word: liberty.
America's economy consistently ranks as one of the freest on the planet. Just last month, the Cato Institute and the Fraser Institute of Canada released their annual "Economic Freedom of the World" report. No surprise. The United States' economy ranked third, behind only the city-states of Hong Kong and Singapore. The correlation between free economies and standard of living is unmistakable. Free people live better, longer, happier lives.
In another graph in their book, Moore and Simon compare economic freedom, per capita income and life expectancy. It's striking. More government inevitably yields more poverty, which inevitably yields shorter lives. Citizens of the world's least free economies average $1,669 U.S. per person in real income, and live on average to age 55. Citizens of the world's freest economies average $18,108 U.S. per person, and live on average to the age of 76.
A few years ago, ABC's John Stossel did an hour-long special called "Is America #1?" Stossel noted that it isn't just political freedom that yields prosperity. Economic freedom is just as, if not more, important. As an example, he looked at India, a democracy for sure, but consistently a festering example of the depths of human poverty.
Why? As an example, Stossel attempted to open a small business selling ABC gear in Hong Kong, India and New York City. In New York, he endured weeks of filling out applications for licenses, permits and tax numbers. But only weeks. In India, he was told it would take years (and it has for the few U.S. businesses who've opened there). In Hong Kong, Stossel was up and operating in a day. Such is why Hong Kong, with virtually no natural resources, has lept from poverty to prosperity in just a couple of decades.
Stossel also interviewed business executives who came to America and founded empires, largely because regulations in their home countries proved too burdensome. And we aren't talking about communist countries or African dictatorships. We're talking about France. And Sweden. And Germany.
Andy Bechtolsheim, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, told Stossel, "I wanted to build better computers, and there was no way to build a better computer in Germany."
So he came to the U.S., to Simi Valley. He's now worth billions, and he gives thousands of paychecks to Americans that, were it not for creeping German socialism, could easily have gone to Germans.
So when you hear doomsayers talk about America's pollution, crime, racism, corporate greed and cultural imperialism, ask yourself, or better yet, ask them, when and where in history has man had it better? The answers, respectively, are never and nowhere. Our embrace of free markets and entrepeneurialism, our respect for property rights, and our embrace of law and human rights have given civilized man his best opportunity to thrive and prosper and innovate. And has he ever.
The only ones who complain wre the ones looking for a free ride or those willing to control them for their own gain. Don't you get tired of being wrong med?
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medicineman
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Look cracker, I admit it has been getting better for those at the top, duhhh, that's a no brainer. I suppose you include all the working poor, [you know, those poor souls that work their asses off for shit wages and barely survive, without any health insurance and are just one serious illness away from bankruptcy and a loss of everything they have worked so hard to obtain], in your lazy ass motherfucker crowd. You, like most righties, have your head planted so far up your ass that the light of truth could never get in. There are a shitpot full of working people that are barely surviving in this country. Now don't start with your equal opportunity bullshit, that is a proven farce. The janitor is most likely to remain the janitor, unless he loses his job and remains un-employed like the millions before him. There are slim to none in the opportunity column for most workers.
CrackerJax
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No, it is better for all...can't you read? Money rolls down hill... jobs comes form the producers, not the consumers. Obama IGNORES this REALITY and puts forth the GOVT. as a PRODUCER. NONSENSE!!! ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!! Even Europe is worried by what we are doing...Europe is worried??? How quickly we have fallen.
the poor don't stay poor in this country Med man...unless they get hooked on govt. handouts....want me to pull that data for you as well? This is a MOBILE society like NO OTHER. That is why we are the BEACON of hope to foreigners....get a grip. You just say what you FEEL, not what is REAL. Work on it. That's right ...it takes work.
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the poor don't stay poor in this country Med man...unless they get hooked on govt. handouts....want me to pull that data for you as well? This is a MOBILE society like NO OTHER. That is why we are the BEACON of hope to foreigners....get a grip. You just say what you FEEL, not what is REAL. Work on it. That's right ...it takes work.
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medicineman
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Ever since that despot Ronald Reagan we have had a form of trickle down economics. Obama has said he wants a trickle up. That in itself is enough for me to love this guy. The trend must be reversed. The rich have become so isolated in their wealth, that they have lost the view of humanity. Trickle down economics only works for the rich. It's like they are standing on top of a hill and pissing down, if you get a drop, that is all you'll get, one drop, meanwhile the river runs straight to the top.No, it is better for all...can't you read? Money rolls down hill... jobs comes form the producers, not the consumers. Obama IGNORES this REALITY and puts forth the GOVT. as a PRODUCER. NONSENSE!!! ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!! Even Europe is worried by what we are doing...Europe is worried??? How quickly we have fallen.
the poor don't stay poor in this country Med man...unless they get hooked on govt. handouts....want me to pull that data for you as well? This is a MOBILE society like NO OTHER. That is why we are the BEACON of hope to foreigners....get a grip. You just say what you FEEL, not what is REAL. Work on it. That's right ...it takes work.
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CrackerJax
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it doesn't work med man...it doesn't work..it didnt work n the 30's and it doesnt work now. the failures are already starting to appear. Obama was going to get the capital moving again but its not happening. No one wants to talk about it tho.
You love it because you don't understand it. Why we are at opposites on this issue.
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You love it because you don't understand it. Why we are at opposites on this issue.
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TheBrutalTruth
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Government Hand Outs, Worse than Crack?No, it is better for all...can't you read? Money rolls down hill... jobs comes form the producers, not the consumers. Obama IGNORES this REALITY and puts forth the GOVT. as a PRODUCER. NONSENSE!!! ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!! Even Europe is worried by what we are doing...Europe is worried??? How quickly we have fallen.
the poor don't stay poor in this country Med man...unless they get hooked on govt. handouts....want me to pull that data for you as well? This is a MOBILE society like NO OTHER. That is why we are the BEACON of hope to foreigners....get a grip. You just say what you FEEL, not what is REAL. Work on it. That's right ...it takes work.
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CrackerJax
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Id rather they gave out crack instead
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medicineman
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Why? Are they giving out "your" money?Id rather they gave out crack instead
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TheBrutalTruth
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http://www.cato.org/pressroom.php?display=news&id=159Id rather they gave out crack instead
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News Release September 16, 2008
Media Contact: (202) 789-5200
The U.S. has slipped markedly in economic freedom since the year 2000
Bushs tenure has had a clear negative effect on economic freedom ratings
WASHINGTON -- Economic freedom around the world remains on the rise but it has declined notably in the U.S. since the year 2000, according to an authoritative study released today by the Cato Institute and Canada's Fraser Institute.
In 2000 the U.S. was the second-freest economy listed in Economic Freedom of the World, an annual report written by James Gwartney from Florida State University and Robert Lawson from Auburn University. This year the U.S. has fallen to 8th place, behind Hong Kong (ranked in first place), Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Chile, and Canada.
More significant than the U.S.'s drop in the rankings is its fall in the freedom ratings: on a scale of 0-10, the U.S. fell from 8.55 in 2000 to 8.04, according to the Economic Freedom of the World Report: 2008 Annual Report. Only five countries have experienced a greater decline over the same time period: Zimbabwe, Argentina, Niger, Venezuela, and Guyana.
"The rule of law, government spending, and regulation are the areas where the United States saw the most troubling declines in its ratings this decade," observes Ian Vasquez, director of Cato's Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity.
Economic Freedom of the World ranks 141 countries on a range of factors in five broad areas: 1) size of government; 2) legal structure and security of property rights; 3) access to sound money; 4) freedom to trade internationally; and 5) regulation of credit, labor and business.
As the eradication of global poverty is a major concern in the world today, this year's report includes a chapter investigating the connection between economic freedom and poverty. Using various measures of poverty, the chapter's authors, Dr. Gwartney and Seth Norton from Wheaton College, found a strong positive relationship between economic freedom and poverty reduction.
Based on their findings, Gwartney and Norton conclude: "Good intentions alone will not reduce poverty. As they reflect on their actions, the planners working towards meeting the Millennium Development Goals must focus on economic freedom and growth. If they fail to do so, the results, tragically, of the project are virtually certain to be disappointing."
I think most important is the note that Rule of Law is one of the areas under which we declined, a trend that Obama, with his desire for judges that can "empathize" with the people they are judging would make markedly worse.
Feelings, Mental States, and knowledge of the law are ultimately irrelevant. Being "Crazy" is not justification for murder, and thus a person that is "crazy" should be treated the same as a person that is not crazy. (Of course one would imagine that you have to have something wrong with you in the first place to kill or try killing another human being (short of the military).)
More important is the fact that feelings also should not have any determination in how a person is punished. A person should not be able to get away with a crime because they were "Feeling angry or sad." That's lunacy.
The last, the lack of knowledge of the law, is also not an excuse. For the most part (valid laws) are common sense, and things that you would not want done to you.
Don't steal, kill, lie, rape, etc.
Common sense.
Of course that covers mainly criminal offenses. Civil Offenses on the other hand, such as speeding (where there is no posted speed limit), do have the potential for ignorance being an excuse for not obeying the law.
Obama's policies are just going to make this country worse off. One only need to ask Michigan how well their tax hikes have stimulate the economy, or ask California how well their tax hikes have stimulated their economy (and kept that state out of debt.)
Ask them if their economies continued to grow as fast as projected after they raised taxes, or if they slowed down drastically.
The answer of course will be the latter.
Raising taxes decreases economic freedom, and thus decreases the amount of wealth that is generated.
CrackerJax
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yah, I'm no Bushie...both Sr.&Jr. screwed us in the end. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. hard times call for good decisions...I haven't seen any yet.
Notice how Obama can't fill out his cabinet? the real brains don't want to be associated with this administration...unheard of.
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Notice how Obama can't fill out his cabinet? the real brains don't want to be associated with this administration...unheard of.
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CrackerJax
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edux10
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money doesnt really exist.
I like zeitgeist 1 and 2 but I just watched Esoteric Agenda, its pretty crazy too.
if you havent seen em get bit torrent and d/l that shit.
I just saw the obama deception too. It is really good. Doesnt bash obama but shows that he is just a toy. a tool. and has nothing to do with anything except put a face out there for the public to see intead of the real shit going on
I like zeitgeist 1 and 2 but I just watched Esoteric Agenda, its pretty crazy too.
if you havent seen em get bit torrent and d/l that shit.
I just saw the obama deception too. It is really good. Doesnt bash obama but shows that he is just a toy. a tool. and has nothing to do with anything except put a face out there for the public to see intead of the real shit going on
Microdizzey
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It's not about left or right. It's about a one world government.