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smileyman11
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well i think you should go to your nearest walmart because the lights are cheap as hell their and they come in packs
Buy bulbs with a watt higher then 20, i just bought some 26watt bulbs in a 4-pack for around $10
All 4 of the lights have over 6000 lumens which is enough for 2 plants.
Just think about this next time: 6000+ lumen is good for 2 plants
you could get any type of CFL just get enough lumens. I wouldnt buy a larger watt bulb, just have 4-5 small watt bulbs which have enough lumens. I am to scare to put a big watt bulb even though CFl dont get too hot i still think large bulbs make more heat.
Also if you didnt already know this but you should have the bulbs about 2 inches from the plants
also look at the kelvin 6500K is good for veg and 2700K is good for flowering (SOME BULBS DO NOT HAVE THE KELVIN ON THEM, ITS PRETTY HARD TO FIND)
smileyman11
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i dont think 2 25watt will be enough i would get 4 or if you only want 2 bulbs get a high wattage but like i said before it all depends on the LUMEN.
For the 100 watts worth you mean like 4-6 CFL's which are equal to 100Watts? If so then yeah this is good because there will be alot of lumens
Also i dont know if they are different names where you live but i use Soft White for Flowering and Daylight for Veg.
smileyman11
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yeah for vegetation you are pretty much set, but if you want to go an extra step you should try to find 6500K Bulbs for vegetation and 2700K for flowering. but people have grown with only 2700K
for flowering i would recommend on getting the equal wattage because the lumen would probably be very similar
Any more questions?
if you have more questions later dont be afraid to message me
can i put a couple of daylights in with the flowering lights to give it more light
thanks smiley so i rekon 4to5daylight bulbs that make up 100wtts for veg 6500k. and 4to5 soft white globes that make up 100 wtts 2700k for flowering does that sound ok or what .
ganjaboii024
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4 to 5 daylight bulbs 26 watt each (100W equivalent) should do you good for veg of 2 plants, for flowering though id recommend 6 or more 2700K 26 watt CFLs
smileyman11
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YES
That sounds good to me
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Smokin'
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I could use some help or info if anyone can offer. Im starting a full size refrigerator hydro grow and Im able to get my hands on 400w MH Ballasts for super cheap. I know heat will be an issue in such a small space and am curious if I can possibly use a cool tube? But by using a cool tube I would need to put the bulb in a Horizontal (-----) position instead of Verticle ( l )... Right? Is a MH Bulb able to be put into a horizontal position with out burning it out prematurely?
randk21
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hey man, love the thread, good to see ppl gettin help!! seeing if you can help me.. I really like the idea of a hydroponics set up, but I cannot find a thread on how to possibly assemble a system that could contain 20-30 plants. I can get clones, I'm going to be having a 600W HPS/MH digital.
I only know soil but not sure if its the best choice anymore, I don't wanna have to deal with mites and all these pests I've read about on here. But I am on a budget, basically the light is all I can afford for the time being, still need to get nutes, ph tester, etc, etc next big purchase will be a fan for the cool tube reflector.. any input advice on how to build this system or good cheap nutes??
I only know soil but not sure if its the best choice anymore, I don't wanna have to deal with mites and all these pests I've read about on here. But I am on a budget, basically the light is all I can afford for the time being, still need to get nutes, ph tester, etc, etc next big purchase will be a fan for the cool tube reflector.. any input advice on how to build this system or good cheap nutes??
pressDUCK
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Most often bulbs are held in a horizontal position, Vertical light is for for secondary side lighting. The sun works quite well with plants growing towards it... Hanging only one light vertically would seem a waste of light to me. I don't see why a cool tube could not be hung vertically, though. I couldn't say for sure but the orientation of the bulb should not cause it to 'burn out'. Its just some electrically excited gas sealed in a tube. If you are thinking of vertical lighting to get light to the lower branches, think about lining your fridge with reflective mylar, It would reflect more light that even the whiteness of the interior would. Is your bulb attached directly to the ballast, maybe? That may be why you want to hang it vertically... On a tangent now. The bulb gives out much less light at the 'ends' of the bulb. You want to hang your light so the 'longest' side is facing the plants...Make sense? Anyways, hope this helps some..
pressDUCK
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you will be disappointed with the yield of 20-30 plants with just a 600 watter. Generally, a prime grow will yield around 2 oz per 100 watts of light. With a 600 watter maybe you should look at growing 2 or 3 plants in a screen-of-green (scrog) setup. If you want massive amounts of plants under the 600 watt, you would probably look at a sea-of-green (sog) method. Basically a rubbermaid container with holes cut in the lid with plants haning in netpots all packed in there tight, trimming off the side branches and working on growing one large bud from each plant. (scrog takes the branches an stretches them through a screen or fence with 4-6 inch squares in it, this way larger bud sites can be produced because all of the plant gets even amounts of light) Hydro can be done quite cheap if you make everything yourself. I couldn't comment on cheap nutes in hydro, but it you look at sticking with soil you can make organic 'teas' for next to nothing. Basically a mixture of compost and alfalpha steeped in water for a couple days - you tube has some good videos on 'organic' or 'compost' tea. Hope this helps some...
pressDUCK
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Ok, thinking about this more, I'm fairly convinced you have 'shop lights' right? The ballast on top of the light with the bulb hanging under them with a reflector between the light and the ballast. That explains the whole --- vs | thing. Don't be afraid to rerun the wires in that puppy. Seperate the ballast from the light fixture. Just cut the wires and extend them. Make sure you use at least the same gauge of wire, bigger would be better as you are extending the run. Doing that, you would now have a 'remote ballast' You could even place the ballast outside of the grow area (say the freezer area) to keep all of the heat of the ballast from polluting your grow area. If you want to be proud of your work, get a plug and socket and wire that into your bulb and ballast so you have separate components that can be moved whenever you wish (ie bulb socket has electric cord termintated with a plug and the ballast wires run to an outlet)
I think, maybe, that should help... mainly I just got too much time on my hands this morning.
theknownstrangr
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cooltubes can be used horizontal/vertical/diagnol/upside down, all matter on how you hang them and that you have the right size fan running air through them. they are very beneficial and allow more lumens to your plants by allowing the light to be closer. personall if i were you i would run it vertically and place a circle of plant around it. this will allow for total lumen optimization and larger yields in smaller space with the same lights. hope this helps. you can find loads of info on "vertical growing" and hy its the newest preferred method for high yielding low wattage applications
bluetick
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Is there anything that can be sprayed on the leaves that will help a phosphorus deficiency and also won't harm the plant?
FF grow big and big bloom have already been added half strength but it hasn't seemed to help so far (5 days). I am assuming this is what is causing this but I will provide some pictures just in case.
Thanks to anybody who knows and + rep to the one with THE answer.
Was flushed 2 weeks ago, dried out and the pH is now 6.5. Fox Farm Soil, Big Bloom, Grow Big
FF grow big and big bloom have already been added half strength but it hasn't seemed to help so far (5 days). I am assuming this is what is causing this but I will provide some pictures just in case.
Thanks to anybody who knows and + rep to the one with THE answer.
Was flushed 2 weeks ago, dried out and the pH is now 6.5. Fox Farm Soil, Big Bloom, Grow Big
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theknownstrangr
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i had this happen with a plant of mine back in my early days. Give it full strength of fox farm once per week (i go every 5-6 days and back up when nute burn is apparent) and then just give balanced ph water in the in between time feedings. try this and it should start producing new healthy growth and some of your dying growth will recover. i would start using some LST and let the new growth get the most lumens possible. hope this helps
bluetick
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So there is nothing to spray to the leaves that will give immediate help? My next feeding I will give it full strength then. It is affecting the flower areas too as well as the fan leaves. Seems to be mostly at the bottom to mid of the plants but I am also seeing some signs of it at the top too. Seems to have affected the Indicas more than the Sativas for some reason. Will give it a shot. If anybody else has any comment I would be open ears. +rep