1000 hps vs. 2x 400 hps?

[mindphuk]

you answered you own question
we are using HPS lights the same as if it was only CFL's just more wattage! we know adding smaller lights does not grow more bud than 1 bigger lamp penetration is the key putting 2x600 in a 4x4 room will not grow more bud than if you put a 1000w in there. light is light as you know your self adding smaller lights does not equal the same yeild as 1 bigger light, be it LED, CFL's, MH or HPS. adding smaller watage bulbs up to the same watage as the larger bulb will not grow more! have seen the difference what 1000w cola looks like compared to a 600w cola? i can tell you the 1000w is bigger and more solid when you try to crush it!= heavy buds

First off I just pointed out that CFLs are not a valid comparison, you quoted me agreeing on that point then go and base your argument on CFL grows.
Adding wattages is not what we are doing, we are adding foot-candles, and yes, light is additive. If I have a 600w lamp that creates 7000 f-c at a specific distance, then I add another 600w lamp a few feet away that puts out 1000 f-c at that same point (by itself), that lamp will add to create apox 8000 f-c at that point. You can prove this to yourself with a light meter.

 

[9inch bigbud]

thats fair enough your entitled to your opinion, you obviously haven't spent enough time playing around with things to work out how to get the best out of the equipment, with some experience though you will get more experimental and figure out how to make 2 600's work for you, i can tell you now though that you may get bigger colas with a 1k, but over all weight across the board, if your doing it right 2 600's will out yield 1k

i extract my grow room so the general heat of the room isn't the issue, its the distance from the bulb to the plant tops because it doesn't matter how you cool it you can't hold your hand as near to the bulb with a 1k as you can with a 600 and thats the heat i'm talking about

20 years growing under lights? i think i have done enough experimenting and have enough experience again what do i gain by teling lies?

it doesn't matter how you cool it you can't hold your hand as near to the bulb with a 1k

yes you can only remove the heat put a 1000w in a cool tube and yu will get it closer to the top than 2x600s a 600 puts out 95000 lumans a 1000w puts out 140000 get the 2x600 as close as you like and the 1000w the only thing is the heat from the bulbs get the heat out what put down more light? 140000 or 950000 from 2 points of light?

 

[BCtrippin]

i agree on paper 2x600w should kick arse over a 1000w but how many of the ppl that voted have grown the 2 side by side? polls are wrong polls are just opinions not facts and pove nothing what so ever!

Your 1 person dude. 1 single person claiming that 1000w is better then 2 600s.

And you admit your 2 x 600w grow room is only 4 ft tall. So its IMO that You are the problem and Not the lighting.

I have grown with 600s and 1000s.

600s are more efficient and its MUCH, MUCH, MUCH easier to hit 1g/w with a 600 then a 1000w.

At this point, I serously am doubting anything you say. Im starting to doubt any of those pics are even yours. You have provided NOTHING to support your claims other then your word, which is useless.

Just saying "I did it" doesnt make it true.

Its pretty clear, the mass majority agrees that 2 x 600 will outperform 1 x 1000w any day of the week. If YOU personally cant beat a 1000w with 2 x 600 then YOU ALONE need to rethink your 2 x 600w grow room because it is Flawed and Not efficient in any way or you would be growing way better buds with the 600s.

 

[9inch bigbud]

First off I just pointed out that CFLs are not a valid comparison, you quoted me agreeing on that point then go and base your argument on CFL grows.
Adding wattages is not what we are doing, we are adding foot-candles, and yes, light is additive. If I have a 600w lamp that creates 7000 f-c at a specific distance, then I add another 600w lamp a few feet away that puts out 1000 f-c at that same point (by itself), that lamp will add to create apox 8000 f-c at that point. You can prove this to yourself with a light meter.

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Adding wattages is not what we are doing, we are adding foot-candles you

you are adding smaller watage lamps and as you say adding more foot candles the same as you would do if you add more CFL light you are adding more wattage and more F-C from smaller lights! whats the diffarance from CFLs and HPS if we are using the same light in the grow room? as you have addmited your self

I admit that I don't have enough grows under my belt to have it tuned in and producing at the highest efficiency

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/178493-1000-hps-vs-2x-400-a-20.html#post2348472

then you aint qualified to say what yeilds more. 1 as you say above in the quote 2 have you grown under both lights to compare the results? if not then you only have an opinion nothin in practise. opinion means nothing with out practise when you have done both then i will listen to what you have to say untill then your just hot air

 

[BCtrippin]

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you are adding smaller watage lamps and as you say adding more foot candles the same as you would do if you add more CFL light you are adding more wattage and more F-C from smaller lights! whats the diffarance from CFLs and HPS if we are using the same light in the grow room?

then you aint qualified to say what yeilds more. 1 as you say above in the quote 2 have you grown under both lights to compare the results? if not then you only have an opinion nothin in practise. opinion means nothing with out practise when you have done both then i will listen to what you have to say untill then your just hot air

Practice means nothing when you are Wrong. You need to Practice spelling too.


Your argument of comparing any standard lighting, like CFL, to HID lighitng, like HPS is moot.

A Much better comparison would be using 20 x 50w HPS compared to 1 x 1000w HPS.

Comparing CFL to HPS is stupid, stop bringing it up, it doesnt prove anything other then the fact that your are stubborn and get stuck up on moot points thinking that it makes a difference.


Do you feel like Everyone else is wrong and stupid and your the only one with real skills and experience? Honestly? Do you think your right and Everyone else is wrong?

Come on...Grow up.

 

[9inch bigbud]

Your 1 person dude. 1 single person claiming that 1000w is better then 2 600s.

And you admit your 2 x 600w grow room is only 4 ft tall. So its IMO that You are the problem and Not the lighting.

I have grown with 600s and 1000s.

600s are more efficient and its MUCH, MUCH, MUCH easier to hit 1g/w with a 600 then a 1000w.

At this point, I serously am doubting anything you say. Im starting to doubt any of those pics are even yours. You have provided NOTHING to support your claims other then your word, which is useless.

Just saying "I did it" doesnt make it true.

Its pretty clear, the mass majority agrees that 2 x 600 will outperform 1 x 1000w any day of the week. If YOU personally cant beat a 1000w with 2 x 600 then YOU ALONE need to rethink your 2 x 600w grow room because it is Flawed and Not efficient in any way or you would be growing way better buds with the 600s.

so have i and still do show us some pics of your 1000w grows again opinions only! practise makes perfect un less you have done it then you dont know my grows over the past 5 years growing under this system i use is not flawed i make a fucking good living out of it trust me. the 1000w room is bigger bang for the buck.

And you admit your 2 x 600w grow room is only 4 ft tall. So its IMO that You are the problem and Not the lighting.

na why would you say that? sog plant dont grow more than 18" from clones i have plenty of head room using cool tubes i can get the 600s down to with in 8"

go try it dont cry about it

 

[9inch bigbud]

Practice means nothing when you are Wrong. You need to Practice spelling too.


Your argument of comparing any standard lighting, like CFL, to HID lighitng, like HPS is moot.

A Much better comparison would be using 20 x 50w HPS compared to 1 x 1000w HPS.

Comparing CFL to HPS is stupid, stop bringing it up, it doesnt prove anything other then the fact that your are stubborn and get stuck up on moot points thinking that it makes a difference.


Do you feel like Everyone else is wrong and stupid and your the only one with real skills and experience? Honestly? Do you think your right and Everyone else is wrong?

Come on...Grow up.

nope i grow using the 2 i dont need anyone telling me what should or would yeild more! have a nice day

Your argument of comparing any standard lighting, like CFL, to HID lighitng, like HPS is moot.

A Much better comparison would be using 20 x 50w HPS compared to 1 x 1000w HPS.

its the same smaller lights more on paper adds up to more lumans, but as you know adding more smaller lights does not grow more. come on you are the one of 1st to jump on the penetration theory it does not matter if its CFLs or HPS you are just contradicting yourself
ps
i dont know what spelling as to do with growing?

 

[BCtrippin]

na why would you say that? sog plant dont grow more than 18" from clones i have plenty of head room using cool tubes i can get the 600s down to with in 8"

Im not crying. Your the one who cant figure out how to grow more weed with 2 x 600w compared to 1 x 1000w. Its pretty funny actually. You've convinced yourself that you have hit maximum efficiency with your 2 x 600w grow room and gave up on trying to grow more with the 2 x 600.


Just because YOU cant figure out how to grow more with 2 x 600 doesnt make 1 x 1000w better. Your one person. One stupid person.

I have grown with 600s, I currently use 1000s. I can honestly say 2 x 600 beats 1 x 1000w any day of the week. The fact that YOU cant do it means absolutely nothing.

You have No argument whatsoever, nothing at all. Its getting pathetic, sorry bro. I wasnt in this to win or make anyone look stupid. But god damn your doing a pretty good job of making yourself look stupid now.

Anyone can google pics of a grow room, doesnt mean that 1 x 1000w is better then 2 x 600w.

The problem with you is that you only CLAIM to be growing as much as you say. You dont have any proof other then pictures of plants, well I know pictures of plants dont mean shit. Theres no way to know how much bud is there or if its even really yours.

This is getting stupid. Do you really think your going to suddenly convince 80% of RIU that 1 x 1000w is better then 2 x 600w?

Man you just dont get it do you....


If you think you can grow more with 1000w then 2 x 600 then why do you even run the 2 x 600? Or do you just make that claim to try and gain some credibility...which you lost a long time ago.

Well if your such a good grower then why are you here arguing, why not go pump out some weed? Why are you wasting your time trying to convince us that we are somehow wrong...?

 

[9inch bigbud]

Im not crying. Your the one who cant figure out how to grow more weed with 2 x 600w compared to 1 x 1000w. Its pretty funny actually. You've convinced yourself that you have hit maximum efficiency with your 2 x 600w grow room and gave up on trying to grow more with the 2 x 600.


Just because YOU cant figure out how to grow more with 2 x 600 doesnt make 1 x 1000w better. Your one person. One stupid person.

I have grown with 600s, I currently use 1000s. I can honestly say 2 x 600 beats 1 x 1000w any day of the week. The fact that YOU cant do it means absolutely nothing.

You have No argument whatsoever, nothing at all. Its getting pathetic, sorry bro. I wasnt in this to win or make anyone look stupid. But god damn your doing a pretty good job of making yourself look stupid now.

Anyone can google pics of a grow room, doesnt mean that 1 x 1000w is better then 2 x 600w.

The problem with you is that you only CLAIM to be growing as much as you say. You dont have any proof other then pictures of plants, well I know pictures of plants dont mean shit. Theres no way to know how much bud is there or if its even really yours.

This is getting stupid. Do you really think your going to suddenly convince 80% of RIU that 1 x 1000w is better then 2 x 600w?

Man you just dont get it do you....


If you think you can grow more with 1000w then 2 x 600 then why do you even run the 2 x 600? Or do you just make that claim to try and gain some credibility...which you lost a long time ago.

Well if your such a good grower then why are you here arguing, why not go pump out some weed? Why are you wasting your time trying to convince us that we are somehow wrong...?

fine 80% of ppl think what they like does not mean they are right! here is a fact for you 20% of the room you walk the most in is dirtier than the 80% that you dont walked on! i have nothing to prove other than my findings what do you have? DIY and find out for your self.

end of form me you have board me yet again with your bull shit he said- she said bollocks lets post a poll that will tell the truth load of bollocks a poll is opinion based not fact! may be the 20% of ppl that have used both set ups have voted? as said above fact! = 20% of the floor that is walked on the most has 80% more dirt on it than the rest of the room thats not walked on.

 

[BCtrippin]

fine 80% of ppl think what they like does not mean they are right! here is a fact for you 20% of the room you walk in is dirtier than the 80% that you dont walked on! i have nothing to prove other than my findings what do you have? DIY and find out for your self.

end of form me you have board me yet again with your bull shit he said- she said bollocks lets post a poll that will tell the truth load of bollocks a poll is opinion based not fact! may be the 20% of ppl that have used both set ups have voted? as said above fact! = 20% of the floor that is walked on the most has 80% more dirt on it than the rest of the room thats not walked on.

I have grown with 600s I have grown with 1000s. Its easier to hit 1g/w with a 600 then it is with a 1000w. Pretty fucking simple. Should end the debate right there.

Your a stubborn retard who cant get over the fact that YOU are WRONG!

 

[Skeksis]

I hereby claim moral high ground.

 

[9inch bigbud]

I have grown with 600s I have grown with 1000s. Its easier to hit 1g/w with a 600 then it is with a 1000w. Pretty fucking simple. Should end the debate right there.

Your a stubborn retard who cant get over the fact that YOU are WRONG!

im a retard? LOL you have no proof other than your shity little grow under 2x600s iv use 400s 600s and 1000s over and over had houses busted and still grow on i dont give a fuck what you have to say 1200w man! HAHA iv got a few more projects coming up soon i will post pics of 5-6 houses and even more with my m8 now hes fronting houses for me because he cant rent them outl

 

[Skeksis]

5-6 houses? OMGWTF. I will totally work for you. Screw moral high ground.

 

[BCtrippin]

im a retard? LOL you have no proof other than your shity little grow under 2x600s iv use 400s 600s and 1000s over and over had houses busted and still grow on i dont give a fuck what you have to say 1200w man! HAHA iv got a few more projects coming up soon i will post pics of 5-6 houses and even more with my m8 now hes fronting houses for me because he cant rent them outl

You post a lot but never have anything of value to say. You never make any valid points and go on and on making claims of this and that with no proof.

I dont Need to PROVE that 2 x 600w is better then 1 x 1000w. Its an UNDISPUTED FACT. Your the Only one who thinks otherwise.

I think your full of shit, I really do. I tried being friendly but you just dont stop do you? So now Im pissed off and Im done arguing.

If you have any real grows post some pics, and dont post the same 6 pictures you have been posting over and over again. Im gonna say it right now, I think your full of shit and have nothing to back up your claims.


See the difference is I dont need proof, Everyone knows 2 x 600w is better then 1 x 1000w. Both on Paper and in Practice. You are the only one who disputes this so "the ball is in your court" so to speak for You to prove otherwise. Until you come up with real proof I dont know why you bother posting.

 

[Skeksis]

BCTrippin, I have a serious question. I understand that 2x 600w is more coverage and more wattage, and thus
more yield. But do you think the 1000w has something to offer when used on it's own in terms of penetration
and intensity? I think it would yield pretty well, even compared to 2x 600w.

 

[BCtrippin]

BCTrippin, I have a serious question. I understand that 2x 600w is more coverage and more wattage, and thus
more yield. But do you think the 1000w has something to offer when used on it's own in terms of penetration
and intensity? I think it would yield pretty well, even compared to 2x 600w.

I never said a 1000w will not do great on its own. I use 1000w lamps myself.

I have just been saying that 2 x 600 will yield more compared to 1 x 1000w

Every application is different, and theres a TON of other variables to take into account. But strictly speaking. 2 x 600w will beat 1 x 1000w easily.

That doesnt mean the 1000w wont yield a nice fat crop, it simply means that compared to 2 x 600, the 2 600s can yield more.

 

[9inch bigbud]

You post a lot but never have anything of value to say. You never make any valid points and go on and on making claims of this and that with no proof.

I dont Need to PROVE that 2 x 600w is better then 1 x 1000w. Its an UNDISPUTED FACT. Your the Only one who thinks otherwise.

I think your full of shit, I really do. I tried being friendly but you just dont stop do you? So now Im pissed off and Im done arguing.

If you have any real grows post some pics, and dont post the same 6 pictures you have been posting over and over again. Im gonna say it right now, I think your full of shit and have nothing to back up your claims.


See the difference is I dont need proof, Everyone knows 2 x 600w is better then 1 x 1000w. Both on Paper and in Practice. You are the only one who disputes this so "the ball is in your court" so to speak for You to prove otherwise. Until you come up with real proof I dont know why you bother posting.

i have no value?? i can show everyone a room with 2x600s and a room with a 1000w. what can you show? other than a shit 1200w grow? i bet my 2x 600w room will piss all over you effort using 2x600s and advance nutes PMSL *spat my stella over the screen!* so big boy what do you yeild under a 2x600w lamps?

 

[BCtrippin]

i have no value?? i can show everyone a room with 2x600s and a room with a 1000w. what can you show? other than a shit 1200w grow? i bet my 2x 600w room will piss all over you effort using 2x600s and advance nutes PMSL *spat my stella over the screen!* so big boy what do you yeild under a 2x600w lamps?

I dont use 600s. Lets see some pics that proves the grow room is yours. At this point I would almost bet money you googled those pics or stole them from another forum.

So "big boy" why dont you go take a pic with a piece of paper on it that says "There ya go BC" OR anything that proves you actaully have these grow rooms you claim to have.

And I have a feeling you will come back with some BS excuse like "they are at my other house" or some BULLSHIT like that...

 

[9inch bigbud]

I dont use 600s. Lets see some pics that proves the grow room is yours. At this point I would almost bet money you googled those pics or stole them from another forum.

So "big boy" why dont you go take a pic with a piece of paper on it that says "There ya go BC" OR anything that proves you actaully have these grow rooms you claim to have.

And I have a feeling you will come back with some BS excuse like "they are at my other house" or some BULLSHIT like that...

you think i would use someone else pics? my boy has my camera but to show they are my rooms have a look over here>http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=978 you will see me growin critical mass from seed have a look in my pics here>http://www.mrnice.nl/photos/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=824

and if you dont think they are mine send me a p.m and i will comfirm that, that account is mine.

 

[BCtrippin]

I see pictures but absolutely Nothing that proves they are Yours....anyone can make an account and load up a bunch of pictures....


I said PROOF. Take some pictures right now, go get a picture with a piece of paper that says "there ya go BC". That would be proof. At this point you have Zero credibility and I could care less if you even respond.

And seriously, Any BS excuse like "its at a different house" or "I have no camera" I strait up BS and I will assume you are an epic failure and full of Shit.

you think i would use someone else pics? my boy has my camera but to show they are my rooms have a look over here>http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=978 you will see me growin critical mass from seed have a look in my pics here>http://www.mrnice.nl/photos/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=824

and if you dont think they are mine send me a p.m and i will comfirm that, that account is mine.