Poll: "Its Not How Long You Live but How You Live"

bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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Thats funny lol. You say i should think about these things by the way you speak it is clear i have thought about human existence much more than you from an unbiased standpoint give it a try sometime. Then maybe you will really understand the term 'the truth shall set you free' currently your living a lie and missing out on the big picture.
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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LOL Prophecy, where do we begin..

first of all, you get on here preaching about the evil and wickedness in the world, and how you would rather die young and go to heaven, then to die old, and go to hell..

yet you cannot provide any references which back up these beliefs that you preach and expect others to accept as well? you continue to dance around the questions with your lethargic rhetoric pretending to have some kind of deeper meaning in your philosophy.

this is EXACTLY what preacher do.. they use the methaphysical aspects to try to counteract the LACK of physical evidence in the world, and scriptural evidence in the bible, which their beliefs are BUILT ON.

let me guess you are one of those devout followers which doesnt even READ the actual bible and you just listen to your divine preacher babble on about this and that, giving you his interpretations of the bible as a sort of law among men..

when people ask you questions you refer them back to the bible, and various books.. you have basically told people to read the entire new testament in order to get what you are saying.. yet have YOU even read it yourself?

you speak of divine truth, and the divinity of scripture, and how our minds override our hearts and block us from the truth, but have you even used your mind to try to understand what your heart blindly believes? logic and understanding of the entire bible will give you an entirely different perspective than any preacher on the mount will give you. the churches around the world have manipulated scripture, and altered the text for THOUSANDS of years in order to use it for their own power. do you think the Vatican or all the hundreds of beautiful churches around the world were built by volunteers? i think NOT

so if the current day bible is the word of god, the end all be all of law on earth, then tell me this.. if you read Romans 13, i believe it is, the bible talks about how man should be utterly subservient to governments, because there is no government that exists that has not been given authorization by god.. does this mean people in china, korea, cuba, iraq, russia and other places, where the government kills the citizens, should they be subservient to their governments? or did god forget that evil men claim power, and that various dictatorships will rise around the world?

what about the books of the bible that the catholic church basically voted out of the bible?? such as the book of enoch which clearly demonstrates that there was a creation previous to that of adam and eve? did god not want us to think we were unimportant and have the pope edit them out?

you base these beliefs around circular logic, and try to sway other people in your direction, yet you cannot give anyone a solid foundation to go off of, other than metaphysical, and philisophical bullshit. how can you justify wholeheartedly believing in a book, that has been cut short, translated incorrectly, and manipluated countless times over thousands and thousands of years, and say that it is the complete and utter truth of all truths?

and come at me with logic, and conversation, not preaching and jumping around the questions that you have been doing since the start.. doing so will prove that you cannot back up anything you say, or think of religion in anything but a close minded, sheepish way. you seem articulate and intelligent, now prove it
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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Its real simple good people are good because of there actions and treatment of others not who they pray or dont pray to. If your unable to grasp this very simple concept then your lost as a decent human being. I feel sorry for you and others stuck in such hateful ways of life and thinking maybe some day you will realize the errors of your judgemental ways.
 
FLoJo

FLoJo

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Prophecy said:
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Some people have set their minds on certain beliefs regardless of a higher or / and more orderly TRUTH. Some people HATE the (good) Truth and thus, even if they were in the presence of Jesus Christ and were offered heaven they would decline because that's who they are either at a particular period of time in their life or by nature.

You must be reasonable and open minded to the HEART of the TRUTH; your heart always consist with the Divine Truth; your conscience also; however, the mind can over-ride the heart and the conscience because of God's free will given unto mankind. TEMPTATION which are the manipulations and false programming of much of the world can lead one to go against the divine judgment from their HEART.

Divine Decision making. Sound Judgement comes only from the TRUTH, the Whole TRUTH, and noting but the TRUTH.


The Book of Revelation is a great source to charge a more countering or fulfilling perspective of your appetitie for (hopefully) understanding of heaven, hell, judgment, and Jesus Christ.
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oh ya, and i like how on my third attempt to get you to show me where the bible describes heaven and hell, and the ways to get there you give me this crap.

if when i die, i go to the pearly gates, and jesus is there saying man, why didnt you believe in me? ill tell him, well jesus, you put a lot of bad motherfuckers in charge who mislead people, stole their money, fought wars and tortured people in your name, who built false temples, and false idols (mary, the cross, etc.) and who changed around your scripture, raped little boys and girls, and overall didnt give me a very good reason to follow you.. and id say, im sorry, can you blame me?

so tell me is that not the TRUTH? are these manipulations of mankind and the earth to sway me away from jesus?? how am i, in good conscience supposed to follow a religion that has that kind of background? better yet how can you follow such doctrine? am i just supposed to say, oh those were the bad seeds in the bunch, the rest are just fine? why would i choose to follow that when there are religions like hindus, taoists, shaolin, and others that never do these sort of things in the name of religion? which one looks like a more righteous path?

have YOU opened your heart and your mind for that kind of divine TRUTH??

is your heart open and engaged to see that a creator may work in a more indirect way? sure jesus may have been the son of god, and tried to come here and spread the message of love and forgiveness, but does that mean that we must follow what MAN says in order to achieve what jesus NEVER promised us??

where, did, jesus, say, heaven, was, only, through, him? where?? WHERE??
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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THE bible. Is english your first language?Here, I've quoted one of my posts from another thread, and it will give you some of the scriptures in the bible which encourage these things. There are more as well, but this is just a sampling.I have also seen you say women are evil on your retarded web page.
Stoney McFried said:
Just to take the opposite side...here are some of the "wonderful and pure beliefs" from the Bible.
Slavery:


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)




Rape




Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.



Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."



Misogyny


[FONT=arial, helvetica]"And a man will choose...any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman...Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die" Ecclesiasticus, 25:18, 19 & 33. 1[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her." Ecclesiastes 7:26, from the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)[/FONT]

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don't permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner"
(I Timothy 2:11-14).



"The birth of a daughter is a loss" (Ecclesiasticus 22:3).


"If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her saying, 'I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' …and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of the town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)




"A bad wife brings humiliation, downcast looks, and a wounded heart. Slack of hand and weak of knee is the man whose wife fails to make him happy. Woman is the origin of sin, and it is through her that we all die. Do not leave a leaky cistern to drip or allow a bad wife to say what she likes. If she does not accept your control, divorce her and send her away" (Ecclesiasticus 25:25).


"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" (1 Cor. 14:33b-36 NIV).


The bible is full of them...but I'm sure you get it.
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As far as me "beating" you, oh, you poor,martyred savior, you.Only trying to get others to close their minds off as efficiently as you have,and you get such bad treatment.Aw. Cry me a river.
Prophecy said:
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Hell's Bible says these things?; is that what you just wrote?

Rape is never endirse in the Old Testiment or the New Testiment; beating were permissible in the Old Testament and the New Testament it is a matter of higher Truth and conscience; though; outside of Justice, it is never permissible either. I prefer to call it DISCIPLINE, because it is suppose to be made with sound and reasonable judgment and from a pure heart of LOVE in a realization that it is the only way to awaken the conscious of a person who is responding not to the reasonable alternative otherwise. In a honest and loving effort to correct harmful conduct otherwise; not in an act of self hate taken out on others cause you can (possibly) get away wit it.


Heck, analogically, your conduct toward me is a type of (false or unjustified) BEATING; think about it.
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I haven't misinterpreted anything.I just know BULLSHIT when I see it.You come here because you think we are sinning, that you are better and wiser than us and we are so fucked up on drugs we'll think you wise.We don't.
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Stoney McFried said:
Once again, you babble on about nothing. Your truth is not everyone's truth.You just wanna preach.Do you even smoke pot? Oh, and don't tell me what I "ought" to do, as you are in no way a person I would follow or use as an example to live my life. Because you pretend to be righteous, but you're full of hatred for women and homosexuals, probably because you've been turned down by one and are the other.[/quote]


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That was how it was suppose to work huh? Well, believe it or not, it is because of the Spirit of TRUTH through JESUS CHRIST that it didn't work out this way. I don't hate who God created me to be; thus, if I hate a woman or a homosexual, it is not because of who they are on the surface; it is because they have displayed a true evil and wicked spirit to me. Other than that in Love, I love both (good) women, etc.

For clarity, I only HATE evil and wickedness NATURES / HEARTS; not necessarily VICTIMS of such people. You have misinterpreted my essays like usual. It's not me, its YOU.
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Yeah, it figures, you don't even smoke pot.You're an internet troll using his religion to browbeat others.
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Not the way I choose to go out; even if I could.
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FLoJo

FLoJo

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theres too many idiots out there for it to die.. they say one is born every minute or something to that effect
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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I guess you're right, there.I'm kinda hoping death is like on of those really good sleeps you get sometimes.
CrackerJax said:
No, because as soon as you perish, the religion will simply FALL AWAY. Peace at last...peace at last. :wink:

out. :blsmoke:
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It's true.And I never understood how so many women could be behind a religion that tells them they are inferior and wicked, and basically only good for breeding.But I think I know why that is.Because most of the old religions were matriarchal, and they wanted to get folks away from that kind of thinking, strip the power from the woman.
FLoJo said:
theres too many idiots out there for it to die.. they say one is born every minute or something to that effect
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