anyne ever smoked "overripe" buds

Stoney Jake

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how can you say
"not facts"?

Do you have anything to back up your comment? The leading researchers for medical marijuana released studies that say this is fact....
 

420weedman

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I looked at the trichomes and they were very close almost all being milky. I ended up in the hospital the next morning and when I returned three days after looking at my trichomes they were all brown and I had compost.

really, you just looked at the plant ... and said GARBAGE.

didnt even dry it or try smoking ANY ?????????????? :confused:
 

SpruceZeus

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It is a fact that light degrades THC and it is a fact that a period of darkness increases levels of THC.

Pardon my insubordinate tone, but BULLSHIT!!!
Just claiming that something is a fact does not make it so
The result is high levels of THC, of course within the genetic framework of each strain, but if each night was only as long as 12 hours the level of THC would not be as high as it is when the nights have progressively grown longer and longer as the growing season winds down.
Wait what?
If you had claimed that outdoor marijuana is of higher quality because the sun has a wider spectrum of colour than artificial light I might be inclined to believe you. But by your logic, if i gradually shorten my lights on time indoors then my plants will produce more THC. You can write it off as indoor lights not being as powerful if you like, but i think that you're committing your own crime and
...The problem is that you attempt to think for yourself by guessing what may be a cause and effect instead of taking the word of experts
So by your "expert" logic, If i was to give plants 72 hours of light before harvesting it would significantly degrade the quality of my bud?
What about if i was to finish my plants using low wattage cfls? Would that increase the quality of my final product?
If you do not believe that light degrades THC why is it best to harvest before first light? It is because that is when THC levels will be at their peak.
Again, you just did it again.

All the outdoor growers I know harvest at night because its dark out and easier to be concealed.


Listen, I know that you're an old man and that your family owns a nursery or something. But that doesn't make you right all the time.
Experience is useless if you refuse to be wrong.

If you do not believe that light rays degrade THC why does any expert and competent grower say dry and cure your harvest out of the light? It is because once harvested the plant can no longer replenish lost THC so any light will degrade THC and is lost forever.
Lost forever??? OH the humanity!!! :eyesmoke:

I can agree with you that extended periods of light will significantly change the cannabinoid profile. But saying degrade implies that every cannabinoid that THC is a precursor to is not as desireable.
Most brazillian (and many thai, cambodian, vietnamese etc.) growers will hang their bud in the sun to dry it. This may be something you disagree with. But the result being a fuller pallate of psychoactive agents that will make for a different (some would say more complete) high.
You speak in absolutes, like noone is ever going to learn another thing about cannabis after you have said your piece. Why the chip on your shoulder?
Wouldnt it be more satisfying to be helpful and nice than just to lurk around telling everbody they're wrong?


Pardon me if i'm completely out of line here, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks your shit stinks just the same as anyone elses.
Again, not trying to be a dick, but someone needs to play devils advocate or everything you say will be taken for gospel. And noone, and i mean NOBODY, knows it all.
 

fdd2blk

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"Ripen?" Who said anything about ripening? Also I clearly said 72 hours and not "36 hours."

The problem is that you attempt to think for yourself by guessing what may be a cause and effect instead of taking the word of experts like I do.


Sunlight does degrade THC. THC in resin works like sunscreen. Light rays strike the resinballs and they focus/direct and magnify the light rays onto the tips of the trichomes. A percentage of THC is degraded every day but then every night the same amount of THC plus slightly more is replenished. So you do get a slow incremental of THC levels as plants mature.

But by giving them 72 hours of darkness you give them a good bit of time to keep adding THV without any degradation from light rays occurring.

It is a fact that light degrades THC and it is a fact that a period of darkness increases levels of THC.

Sites like this are flooded with personal opinions of people who think or believe something and then attempt to validate it by attempting to guess some cause and effect.

Almost every time someone attempts to think up something on their own they are wrong.

Almost every time someone says this is what happens to me and this is what makes sense for why it happens they are wrong.

Something to keep in mind about outdoor grown marijuana is as the growing season shortens the days become shorter and shorter and the nights become longer and longer each and every day.

Due to the increased length of night/darkness larger amounts of THC are able to be produced and they replenish what THC was lost each day at an exponential rate.

The result is high levels of THC, of course within the genetic framework of each strain, but if each night was only as long as 12 hours the level of THC would not be as high as it is when the nights have progressively grown longer and longer as the growing season winds down.

That is not much of a factor in indoor growing since no grow light can come half close to producing the amount of light the sun produces to there is less THC degradation in indoor growing. It still occurs and growers should allow for it but it is not as much as when growing outside.

If you do not believe that light degrades THC why is it best to harvest before first light? It is because that is when THC levels will be at their peak.

If you do not believe that light rays degrade THC why does any expert and competent grower say dry and cure your harvest out of the light? It is because once harvested the plant can no longer replenish lost THC so any light will degrade THC and is lost forever.

please get off my thread with all this nonsense. thank you. :peace:
 

fdd2blk

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how can you say
"not facts"?

Do you have anything to back up your comment? The leading researchers for medical marijuana released studies that say this is fact....
i back it up with this, now stop arguing on my thread. start a new one. thank you.


 

Stoney Jake

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please get off my thread with all this nonsense. thank you. :peace:
Man I didnt know this was your thread big man
Do some research.

Oh and I wasnt talking to you I was talking to the guy that post "not fact"
I thought this was a forum to talk about growing and thats what I was doing.
am I wrong big man?
 

bigjesse1922

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Man I didnt know this was your thread big man
Do some research.

Oh and I wasnt talking to you I was talking to the guy that post "not fact"
I thought this was a forum to talk about growing and thats what I was doing.
am I wrong big man?
Dude, anyone who has a thread has the right to ask someone else not to post. Or to get back on topic. You are out of line and being a douche.

Plus, he is STAFF here. Resist your childish need to rebel against authority and show proper respect.

Edit: Your comment was mocking and disrespectful. His specific direction to quit debating bullshit information was the clear and simple post, not your response. Out of respect to Fdd, I am done responding to you, having clearly called you out for what your post reflected you as.
 

Stoney Jake

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My post was completely simple. Why would he tell me to go and not the one posting books on the subject? I made a clear and simple post. Im not outta line....
 

fdd2blk

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Man I didnt know this was your thread big man
Do some research.

Oh and I wasnt talking to you I was talking to the guy that post "not fact"
I thought this was a forum to talk about growing and thats what I was doing.
am I wrong big man?
check post #1. :dunce:

i started this thread with a purpose. if you would like to take it in a different direction please just start a new one. thanks.

the name calling is not needed. thanks again. :weed:
 

haze2

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Sorry fdd its all about the harvest. I was able to do some more referencing for my strain of Ultra Haze 2 on the attitude they say its a 10 week flowering and theres also a little journal on greenhouseseeds.com and In there they have my strain and the guy had to grow it for 16 weeks till full maturity. So why would greenhouse even recommend a 10 week if they know its not??
 

fdd2blk

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Sorry fdd its all about the harvest. I was able to do some more referencing for my strain of Ultra Haze 2 on the attitude they say its a 10 week flowering and theres also a little journal on greenhouseseeds.com and In there they have my strain and the guy had to grow it for 16 weeks till full maturity. So why would greenhouse even recommend a 10 week if they know its not??
the sooner you harvest, the sooner you will have to BUY more beans from them. :-P
 

bigjesse1922

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Is there any correlation to when a plants starts actively pumping out resin compared to when it will be "ready?"

I am on day 35-ish of flower and just now starting to see real resin production. The buds are almost as tall as a lighter and fatter. My first crop didnt see resin production really accumulate until week 7 or 8 of 12/12 (cfl grow).

I assume this would vary from strain to strain, even IF it exists. Have you ever noticed a pattern?

What is the relationship between the amount of early trichome production and where the buds finish when ripened fully? I know I am fishing a bit here, but I am curious to hear your response.
 

SpruceZeus

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Sorry fdd its all about the harvest. I was able to do some more referencing for my strain of Ultra Haze 2 on the attitude they say its a 10 week flowering and theres also a little journal on greenhouseseeds.com and In there they have my strain and the guy had to grow it for 16 weeks till full maturity. So why would greenhouse even recommend a 10 week if they know its not??
Sorry to continue the thread jack but i thought i'd interject.
I've grown (And currently grow) Arjan's Ultra Haze #1. Greenhouse reccomends 12-13 weeks of flowering. I find its closer to 16. And even at 16 weeks it still lives up to the "ultra hay" moniker that stemmed from sparse kind of retarded looking bud.
The fact of the matter is, 16 weeks is a looooong ass time, if i had known it was such a long flowerer i probably would have chosen another strain. So their business practices may be a little shady, but they sells seeds.

Having said that, its amazing smoke and definately worth the wait.
I'm not sure how similar #2 is to #1, but with mine i've found that it needs the lightest feedings of any plant i've ever grown.


This lady is at 10-11 weeks and is just starting to ramp up trich production.

Just to tie this into the thread, I'd imagine it would take about 6-7 months of flowering before this bud became "overripe"
 
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