Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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born2killspam

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Thats fine for vegging at this point, but will disappoint come flowering.. Grab your phone book, and call electrical/lighting outfitters, the kind contractors would go to, and ask what they carry for HID's.. I used to get 400W hps and systems complete for like $50-60cdn.. (Well, none came with cords, and you might not be able to get suitable reflectors there).. Transformer and bulb (and ignitor for hps) are the critical things if you're confident you can do the rest yourself (but do be sure to do it safely.. These lights are as safe as your installation)..
Alot of ppl use them in garages, and in back yards etc.. You don't need to shoot your mouth off with some dumb story though.. MH are going to be more common, but most places I've been to had both in stock.. MH is sufficient though.. Granted 400W of MH only pumps as many photosynthetically active photons as perhaps 275W of HPS (number of suitable photons is the only true measure of light intensity for plants), but will still blow any cfl away, and honestly I think they grow better buds..
Those places are the best source for any type of light really, if you can't handle HID get more than a few larger cfls or t5HO's.. Any hid investment will pay for itself 10x over on your first crop though..
Anyways, this is getting kinda hijacky, so if you have a thread, link to it, if not, start one..
 
Uncle Ben

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As an aside, for you who have sent me messages under the option of "New Visitor Messages", wanting some input, I can't help ya, as I can't respond. When I click on your message I get re-routed to the Uncle Ben profile. Last dude to do this is the guy that goes by the handle of dontcallmedude. :D

Sorry, aint my problem. It's a tech glitch.
 
Jerry Garcia

Jerry Garcia

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Hey UB! Using your tutelage I topped four bagseed plants after a couple weeks in 12/12 to determine sex. After topping, I reverted all of them back to vegging to let the cola's bulk up before really flowering. All of them had a tough time with the transition, but seem to have straightened themselves out now (after ~one week of vegging), except one. She developed sex organs much faster than the others but remained on the 12/12 cycle after topping, causing the two larger colas to start budding. I topped each one of those above the first node on the cola to try and stimulate some new growth, presumably 4 additional colas.

Is there a finite time after which the plant cannot be taken from flower back to vegging?

Thanks for your help!
 
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born2killspam

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This is the kind of thing that will definately be strain/plant specific, and even on approach since trimming the upper stuff pretty viciously can speed up the process, but with obvious drawbacks.. Then we kinda gotta decide when the proper label would be revegging, rather than reverting..The larger the plant, the longer it will take to revert.. When you do revert, expect some funny mutant unserated, single lobed foliage.. It will go back to normal eventually though..
So to summarize, any plants that can be revegged can be reverted at any time, you just need to decide what you consider feasible.. If you want to trim the hell out of it to speed things up, or wait a few weeks to a couple months maybe for a fuller plant plant to kick back into early season type growth.. And really, in my experience with reverting, even after only a few days into 12/12, the plant will be pretty dedicated towards flowering.. I've flipped them back at 4 days and had to wait about 3 weeks to really be happy, and I've flipped them back at 16 days and had to wait roughly the same amount of time.. But then again, those were two entirely different genetics.. NL5, and Skunk#1 respectively.. (Furthermore on that note, the NL5 blasted out pistils alot more quickly after flipping than the Skunk#1, but that makes sense, because the NL5 pheno's were much more indica prevalent..)

Edit: I don't know if autos can really be revegged.. Recently somebody who I think knew what they were doing, tried but the plants apparently died.. Sorry I can't remember who that was, or in which thread..
 
lilkc

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Koll, i might Re-vegg after i harvest.
Bt hey i finally Fimmed properly yesterday.
Wat should start happening & when wil it happen?
Im pretty exicted 2 see how many Colas i get
 
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born2killspam

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Arg... You NEED stem and leaf to facilitate bud growth.. How can you call it a waste?? This new facination with leafless growing baffles me..
(And I'm pretty sure UB feels atleast as strongly on that matter as I do..)
 
johnnysacoseeds

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I think he was trying to ask if cutting off the 3-4 nodes worth of growth above the second node, as UB directs, is a waste of growth, hence the question "...or does the colas always outway the set back of the shock from cliping ?".

Personally, I understand the frustration of what it must be like to answer the same questions over and over, when ACTUALLY READING THE POST would eliminate 90% of the questions, so props to you guys for sticking with a long-lived thread like this.

Cronigar - UB has stated numerous times that their is no stress created by topping, and the yield is greater with this method.
 
LOVE4GROWING

LOVE4GROWING

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i like that you posted this i read about it a few years ago and have try'd it a couple of times.
i got it to shoot 2 cola's and after i try'd again i failed so i stopped doin it but i do remember that the 2 cola's i had at my first try where much much bigger then the others i never snipped.
if you could help me by makin a good picture of the whole plant with a before and after you snipped the topp it would be great.
but if you can't post pic's pls try to help me a lil bit more i find this very interessting.
i'm gettin alot of mixed info and it looks like you really really know.
pls help me.
 
Uncle Ben

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Jerry Garcia said:
Hey UB! Using your tutelage I topped four bagseed plants after a couple weeks in 12/12 to determine sex. After topping, I reverted all of them back to vegging to let the cola's bulk up before really flowering. All of them had a tough time with the transition, but seem to have straightened themselves out now (after ~one week of vegging), except one. She developed sex organs much faster than the others but remained on the 12/12 cycle after topping, causing the two larger colas to start budding. I topped each one of those above the first node on the cola to try and stimulate some new growth, presumably 4 additional colas.

Is there a finite time after which the plant cannot be taken from flower back to vegging?

Thanks for your help!
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No, cause it's based on hormonal responses, phytochrome.

born2killspam said:
Arg... You NEED stem and leaf to facilitate bud growth.. How can you call it a waste?? This new facination with leafless growing baffles me..
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Wat, you can't grow pot without leaves? Hell, everyone is doing it.

cya ~
 
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num1runningbak

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I have visited this time atleast 20 times in the past month and I think I have finally read everything but still have some questions.

I am growing 4 Ice seeds, I dunno if this is just a rebadged name like you talk about earlier but hey worth a try lol. Back to the questions. I have 4 plants all growing well. I would like top top all 4 after the second node as they all have 4 working on 5th node. My question is I only have these 4 plants so would like to make 2 mothers from them. Should I top the ones I want to make mothers, Im assuming this is called a Bonsai mother, heard this once before. Also can you top the "tops" you clipped off after they have rooted or is it just better to put them into flowering?

Thanks in advance sorry if the second questions has asked I skipped around a lot but have probably read atleast 40 pages lol
 
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